Author Topic: Jussie Smollet (Read 55020 times)

michigancat · « **Reply #175 on:** February 21, 2019, 01:33:13 PM »

Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:28:12 PM

Quote from: michigancat on February 21, 2019, 01:25:38 PM
I don't think faking a hate crime is as bad as committing hate crime
I don't either. There isn't any direct victim.

I'm saying that the indirect effects of a hate crime (terror, distrust, etc.) are present when you fake a hate crime too.

Eh I guess. Not a very clean correlation.

chum1 · « **Reply #176 on:** February 21, 2019, 01:35:10 PM »

Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:22:25 PM

Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 12:55:08 PM
He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.

This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."

Because reverse racism? Nah.

Spracne · « **Reply #177 on:** February 21, 2019, 01:35:32 PM »

My favorite part of this is that he either punched himself in the face or instructed someone else to punch him in the face in order to pull off this caper.

Institutional Control · « **Reply #178 on:** February 21, 2019, 01:41:51 PM »

Quote from: Spracne on February 21, 2019, 01:35:32 PM

My favorite part of this is that he either punched himself in the face or instructed someone else to punch him in the face in order to pull off this caper.

Worse. He paid someone $3500 to have someone punch him.

michigancat · « **Reply #179 on:** February 21, 2019, 01:44:55 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 01:35:10 PM

Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 12:55:08 PM
He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.

This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."

Because reverse racism? Nah.

I think it would be healthy for MAGA dudes to behave as if they don't want to be accused of a hate crime. So maybe to someone's point, the end justified the means.

ChiComCat · « **Reply #180 on:** February 21, 2019, 01:45:38 PM »

Someone took $3500 of his money. They then punched him in the face. Additionally, they sold him out when questioned about it.

Worst ROI ever?

DQ12 · « **Reply #181 on:** February 21, 2019, 01:48:18 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 01:35:10 PM

Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 12:55:08 PM
He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.

This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."

Because reverse racism? Nah.

Guys. No. Come on. Think about this for two seconds.

If Jussie Smollet's (or any hate crime hoaxer's) plan goes how he wants it to, then nobody knows the hate crime was fake. Everyone assumes that it was a real hate crime, and that "a modern day lynching" did occur on the streets of Chicago.

Aside from a direct lynching victim, the effects are identical. This isn't complicated.

chum1 · « **Reply #182 on:** February 21, 2019, 01:52:36 PM »

Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:48:18 PM

Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 01:35:10 PM
Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 12:55:08 PM
He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.

This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."

Because reverse racism? Nah.
Guys. No. Come on. Think about this for two seconds.

If Jussie Smollet's (or any hate crime hoaxer's) plan goes how he wants it to, then nobody knows it was a fake hate crime. Everyone assumes that it was a real hate crime, and that "a modern day lynching" did occur on the streets of Chicago.

Aside from a direct lynching victim, the effects are identical. This isn't complicated.

Is everyone knowing that something was a hate crime what makes a hate crime a hate crime?

michigancat · « **Reply #183 on:** February 21, 2019, 01:54:32 PM »

tbh a "modern day lynching" (which is kind of vague) wouldn't seem that out of place in Chicago, even before this incident

DQ12 · « **Reply #184 on:** February 21, 2019, 01:57:57 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 01:52:36 PM

Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 01:35:10 PM
Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 12:55:08 PM
He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.

This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."

Because reverse racism? Nah.
Guys. No. Come on. Think about this for two seconds.

If Jussie Smollet's (or any hate crime hoaxer's) plan goes how he wants it to, then nobody knows it was a fake hate crime. Everyone assumes that it was a real hate crime, and that "a modern day lynching" did occur on the streets of Chicago.

Aside from a direct lynching victim, the effects are identical. This isn't complicated.

Is everyone knowing that something was a hate crime what makes a hate crime a hate crime?

I've always assumed so. Isn't that the primary reason why we view things like hate crimes and terrorism are especially horrible? The perception of the crime by the general public, especially other members of the victims' class and those possibly inspired to commit similar attacks in the future?

Tell me if you think I'm wrong. I can't think of any other reason for it, but I haven't really spent a ton of time considering it.

Spracne · « **Reply #185 on:** February 21, 2019, 02:05:41 PM »

Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:57:57 PM

Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 01:52:36 PM
Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 01:35:10 PM
Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 12:55:08 PM
He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.

This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."

Because reverse racism? Nah.
Guys. No. Come on. Think about this for two seconds.

If Jussie Smollet's (or any hate crime hoaxer's) plan goes how he wants it to, then nobody knows it was a fake hate crime. Everyone assumes that it was a real hate crime, and that "a modern day lynching" did occur on the streets of Chicago.

Aside from a direct lynching victim, the effects are identical. This isn't complicated.

Is everyone knowing that something was a hate crime what makes a hate crime a hate crime?
I've always assumed so. Isn't that the primary reason why we view things like hate crimes and terrorism are especially horrible? The perception of the crime by the general public, especially other members of the victims' class and those possibly inspired to commit similar attacks in the future?

Tell me if you think I'm wrong. I can't think of any other reason for it, but I haven't really spent a ton of time considering it.

Technically, what makes a hate crime a hate crime is the specific intent of the perp.

steve dave · « **Reply #186 on:** February 21, 2019, 02:06:43 PM »

Quote from: libstradamus on February 21, 2019, 01:30:15 PM

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/1098639636295872513

speaking of racist hoaxes I had forgotten about the greatest picture of one of them OAT until someone tweeted it today.

chum1 · « **Reply #187 on:** February 21, 2019, 02:13:50 PM »

Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:57:57 PM

Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 01:52:36 PM
Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:48:18 PM
Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 01:35:10 PM
Quote from: Dlew12 on February 21, 2019, 01:22:25 PM
Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 12:55:08 PM
He didn't hurt anyone other than himself. He's just an idiot.
If you're of the opinion that hate crimes are distinct from non-hate crimes because of the broader effects on the population associated with hate crimes, I think that faking a hate crime carries those same effects.

This was being characterized as "a modern day lynching."

Because reverse racism? Nah.
Guys. No. Come on. Think about this for two seconds.

If Jussie Smollet's (or any hate crime hoaxer's) plan goes how he wants it to, then nobody knows it was a fake hate crime. Everyone assumes that it was a real hate crime, and that "a modern day lynching" did occur on the streets of Chicago.

Aside from a direct lynching victim, the effects are identical. This isn't complicated.

Is everyone knowing that something was a hate crime what makes a hate crime a hate crime?
I've always assumed so. Isn't that the primary reason why we view things like hate crimes and terrorism are especially horrible? The perception of the crime by the general public, especially other members of the victims' class and those possibly inspired to commit similar attacks in the future?

Tell me if you think I'm wrong.

I don't know anything about anything. I assume crimes are disincentives that come in varying degrees depending on the corresponding behaviors and that's about all.

DQ12 · « **Reply #188 on:** February 21, 2019, 02:15:55 PM »

I really didn't think my point was that complicated but I'll let it go.

chum1 · « **Reply #189 on:** February 21, 2019, 02:16:17 PM »

lol BLACKS RULE

steve dave · « **Reply #190 on:** February 21, 2019, 02:17:33 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on February 21, 2019, 02:16:17 PM

lol BLACKS RULE

then I'll spray paint something on my own driveway that the blacks would say. like how they're always saying Blacks Rule! it's perfect.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #191 on:** February 21, 2019, 02:17:49 PM »

whites drool

DQ12 · « **Reply #192 on:** February 21, 2019, 02:18:43 PM »

would make for an elite rap album cover for him if he ever decided to go that route

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #193 on:** February 21, 2019, 05:22:18 PM »

this story is literally everywhere

Benja · « **Reply #194 on:** February 21, 2019, 09:02:05 PM »

Quote from: 'taterblast on February 18, 2019, 05:12:51 PM

it shouldn't be that difficult of an answer for anyone. "I reacted emotionally to what appeared to be a violent hate crime. Oops."

Seriously. You're human. It happens.

Benja · « **Reply #195 on:** February 21, 2019, 09:07:00 PM »

The worst part of this is the amount of money he paid those guys. 3,500 for this crap? I mean c'mon.

slackcat · « **Reply #196 on:** February 22, 2019, 06:37:40 AM »

You get what you pay for.

Institutional Control · « **Reply #197 on:** February 22, 2019, 07:35:55 AM »

https://twitter.com/wonderousATX/status/1098811063531982848

chum1 · « **Reply #198 on:** February 22, 2019, 07:39:51 AM »

Oh, man. irl lol.

steve dave · « **Reply #199 on:** February 22, 2019, 07:57:46 AM »

lmao

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