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« Reply #225 on: March 14, 2019, 11:20:22 AM »
16 felony charges is insane. The stacking of felonies is one of the worst parts of our justice system. Give him 1 month jail, a big fine, and let's move on.

No time in jail. Just put him in the database and make him tell all of his neighbors this dumbass story from now until the end of time.

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« Reply #226 on: March 14, 2019, 11:25:20 AM »
I would like an app where individuals are reviewed so that people or businesses that encounter them can know what they are dealing with quickly and efficiently
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« Reply #227 on: March 14, 2019, 11:29:53 AM »
They already have that and it's called your Uber rating (4.94)
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« Reply #228 on: March 14, 2019, 11:47:46 AM »
the reason hate crimes are punished more harshly than other crimes is the societal strife they cause.  for the same reason, i don't mind punishing fake hate crimes relatively harshly.

additionally, there is an argument that punishing celebrities harshly is a particularly effective deterrent, since those are the cases people pay attention to.

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« Reply #229 on: March 14, 2019, 11:48:22 AM »
I think we should just put false accusers on some sort of list, similar to the sex offenders list, where they are legally required to notify all of their neighbors/employers about their past accusations whenever they move, change jobs, etc. Imprisonment doesn't really serve any sort of purpose for them, imo.

Ok, I like this idea more. Jail/Prison is an overused punishment that usually does more harm than good to society.

Maybe make it like a 10 year deal instead of life though. I’m still a believer in rehabilitation.

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« Reply #230 on: March 14, 2019, 12:34:43 PM »
Man, you people really like to imprison people
I like to imprison the right people.  We should've hanged a few hundred people on Wall St. after 2007.

16 felony charges is insane. The stacking of felonies is one of the worst parts of our justice system. Give him 1 month jail, a big fine, and let's move on.

No time in jail. Just put him in the database and make him tell all of his neighbors this dumbass story from now until the end of time.
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« Reply #231 on: March 14, 2019, 12:41:24 PM »
Man, you people really like to imprison people
I like to imprison the right people.  We should've hanged a few hundred people on Wall St. after 2007.

Def agree
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« Reply #232 on: March 14, 2019, 02:16:15 PM »
16 felony charges are an outrage. The next time DNA clears some dude who has served 25 years on death row are they going to find the cracker who took the stand with obvious bullshit eyewitness testimony and put them in jail? That crap is 1000x more harmful to individuals and society and they haven't locked any of those people up.

This is one of the first that comes to mind, I'm sure MIR is aware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Banks_(American_football)

There was a very similar case more recently in Georgia.

don't know much about that case but it seems way worse than Jussie since there was a specific victim

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« Reply #233 on: March 14, 2019, 02:39:28 PM »
Absolutely way worse


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Re: Jussie Smollet
« Reply #234 on: March 15, 2019, 12:06:36 AM »
the reason hate crimes are punished more harshly than other crimes is the societal strife they cause.  for the same reason, i don't mind punishing fake hate crimes relatively harshly.

additionally, there is an argument that punishing celebrities harshly is a particularly effective deterrent, since those are the cases people pay attention to.

Others punishment isn't a deterrent to bad behavior, at all.

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« Reply #235 on: March 15, 2019, 11:45:50 AM »
the reason hate crimes are punished more harshly than other crimes is the societal strife they cause.  for the same reason, i don't mind punishing fake hate crimes relatively harshly.

additionally, there is an argument that punishing celebrities harshly is a particularly effective deterrent, since those are the cases people pay attention to.

Others punishment isn't a deterrent to bad behavior, at all.
Is there a study or something to back this up you have?  Public deterrence is a pretty well-established punishment rationale in the CJ system. 


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« Reply #236 on: March 15, 2019, 12:48:19 PM »
The death penalty is probably a good example. I seem to recall that it really hasn’t done much to curb the rate of capital offenses in states where it is available.

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« Reply #237 on: March 15, 2019, 02:01:29 PM »
the reason hate crimes are punished more harshly than other crimes is the societal strife they cause.  for the same reason, i don't mind punishing fake hate crimes relatively harshly.

additionally, there is an argument that punishing celebrities harshly is a particularly effective deterrent, since those are the cases people pay attention to.

Others punishment isn't a deterrent to bad behavior, at all.
Is there a study or something to back this up you have?  Public deterrence is a pretty well-established punishment rationale in the CJ system.

Uh no, I thought what I said was common sense. Is there a large populace of people out there committing jailable crimes that don't know that punishment is possible if they get caught? Isn't committing a crime essentially a study in opportunity cost? When you choose to commit a crime you feel like either you're not going to get caught, or doing whatever you're not supposed to be doing is worth the penalty when you do get caught. Is there some other option I'm unaware of?

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Re: Jussie Smollet
« Reply #238 on: March 15, 2019, 02:45:11 PM »
the reason hate crimes are punished more harshly than other crimes is the societal strife they cause.  for the same reason, i don't mind punishing fake hate crimes relatively harshly.

additionally, there is an argument that punishing celebrities harshly is a particularly effective deterrent, since those are the cases people pay attention to.

Others punishment isn't a deterrent to bad behavior, at all.
Is there a study or something to back this up you have?  Public deterrence is a pretty well-established punishment rationale in the CJ system.

Uh no, I thought what I said was common sense. Is there a large populace of people out there committing jailable crimes that don't know that punishment is possible if they get caught? Isn't committing a crime essentially a study in opportunity cost? When you choose to commit a crime you feel like either you're not going to get caught, or doing whatever you're not supposed to be doing is worth the penalty when you do get caught. Is there some other option I'm unaware of?
I think that's the wrong question.  A better question imo is "Would there be a larger populace of people out there committing crimes if they knew they'd get no jail time (or only little jail time) for the crimes?"  I think the answer to that question is "Probably."



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« Reply #239 on: March 15, 2019, 04:21:30 PM »
I think MIR’s point is that how the system treats any one particular person is not going to affect decisions made by others. People are generally aware there are consequences for committing crimes even if they haven’t studied the sentencing guidelines. The fear of punishment in general is the main deterrent.

It undercuts the rationale of “making an example” of high profile criminals.