Building a Mosque near ground zero

[Benja]

suck my balls. we are building the thing.

This is the attitude of the so-called moderate bridge-building imam.

This is no different than the Nubbs coming to KSU, beating our a$$es, then dancing on the giant powercat in the middle of the field while flipping off the crowd.

That's so dumb I wouldn't even know where to start on it. I truly hope you don't honestly believe that.

I haven't read through this whole thread but the bottom line is that, unquestionably, they should be able to build the thing.

There are certain rare situations in which the constitution should be violated, such as when our imminent safety is in danger among select other situations, but this is not, and is not even close, to being one of those situations.

Does it suck? Yes.
Does it personally piss me off? Yep.
Is that worth amending the very freedom our country stands for? Hell no. Not even close.

What are your thoughts on Slander and Libel?  Violation of the right to free speech?

Slander and libel laws were created to prevent amendment rights from encroaching on individual rights. They serve to protect our citizens. Who would preventing the mosque from being built protect?

Telling these assholes to shazbot! off is no more a violation of the constitution, than requiring a meeting in front of the town planning commission to get a fence built around your yard, or a room above your garage.

Actually, it's not even close. Comparing fundamental constitutional rights to state regulations is ridiculous.

If liberal hero FDR was still around, he'd throw every muslim in a concentration camp until the war in the Middle East was over, just like he did the Japanese during WW2.

This actually pisses me off. Seriously, don't be an insensitive dumbfuck. Don't throw around words like "concentration camp", and act proud of one of the darker pages in American history or even infer that you'd like to see it repeated.

The same reasons we WON'T do that, and why we WILL allow the mosque to be built, are the same reasons why I'm proud to live in this country in the first place.


Ask yourself this; if Muslims try to build a mosque near ground zero, and we violate the very words that our country stands for in order to prevent it, who really wins?

[chunkles]

It would be absolutely hilarious to see some of these guys' reactions if the muslims were to decide to exercise their second amendment rights and store guns at the mosque.

YES.  Somebody convert to Islam NOW and buy a gun.  Keep your birth cert at home and move to Arizona and start speeding. Oh, but make sure you're brownish.  OOOH, GAY YOURSELF UP TOO!!!!!!
The constitution is full of win, except when it ISN'T and ENABLES THE MEXISLAMOHOMOFASCISTS.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Yes I do, unless you can show me proof otherwise.  I also believe they will fight to the bitter end to keep that particular site, and if somehow they are forced to find another site, they will decide not to build at all.

Have the muslims actually been told that they cannot build the mosque by the government? If not, they are just filing an application and are not currently fighting anything. I could be wrong (I've been out of the country for a while), but I'm under the impression that the only people who are fighting anything are the people who want to see the government step in and tell these people that they chose the wrong religion to worship in the vicinity of ground zero.

No, they are being coddled and invited in by foolish politicians eager to show their feigned support for the Constitution even though 70 % of Americans would rather not have the mosque built in that location. The only way this mosque doesn't get built is if the Imam does the right thing and finds a different location, but that's not what he is about.

[06wildcat]

I love tyranny when I agree with the majority.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I love tyranny when I agree with the majority.

How many times can I say they have the right to build the thing? Just because they can doesn't mean they should.

[06wildcat]

I love tyranny when I agree with the majority.

How many times can I say they have the right to build the thing? Just because they can doesn't mean they should.

Please provide a non-bigoted reason why they shouldn't build it? There are 1 billion-plus Muslims in the world and we should judge them all by the actions of 19?

[jtksu]

For starters, courts have upheld building restrictions on/around Indian burial grounds repeatedly.  You can certainly adjust zoning laws to protect important landmarks without violating the Constitution.  Second, there are way more than 19 radical Muslims in the world and those people ruin it for the rest of the religion.  Third, just because you have the right to do something doen't make it a good idea.  We are constantly told we should be more understanding of Islam.  Now we have people defending their decision to be totally insensative to us.  NYC is an enormous city, there are many places to build this mosque that wouldn't create such a backlash.  The Phelps are within their Constitutional rights to picket soldiers funerals but it's still a total dick move.  Finally-  Fatty, I hope you are on the next flight your people hijack and fly into a building.  That irony would please me greatly.

[06wildcat]

So how far away is far enough. Apparently Wisconsin and Tennessee aren't far enough, good Christians are protesting proposed mosques there too. What about liberal California ... nope, more good Christians exercising their right to be stupid. So what's the radius? Or is it fair to call all Christians bigoted dumbasses based on the above example. According to your logic it's entirely OK. Dumbass.

[Dirty Sanchez]

So how far away is far enough. Apparently Wisconsin and Tennessee aren't far enough, good Christians are protesting proposed mosques there too. What about liberal California ... nope, more good Christians exercising their right to be stupid. So what's the radius? Or is it fair to call all Christians bigoted dumbasses based on the above example. According to your logic it's entirely OK. Dumbass.

Far enough where landing gears from airplanes haven't crashed through the roof.

[CHONGS]

The spirit of Men's Warehouse is being mocked by these Musselmen!

[jtksu]

You do know that many  Muslim countries do not allow the building of any houses of worship for any religion other than Islam, right?  Do you not see the hypocrisy here?  We won't allow you to worship anywhere within the borders of our nation but we expect to be able to worship at precisely the most sensative location in the entire US.  Just a terrible idea.

[CHONGS]

You do know that many  Muslim countries do not allow the building of any houses of worship for any religion other than Islam, right?  Do you not see the hypocrisy here?  We won't allow you to worship anywhere within the borders of our nation but we expect to be able to worship at precisely the most sensative location in the entire US.  Just a terrible idea.

We are better than them when it comes to freedom of religion?   I kind of like it that way.

[jtksu]

So- to show them how progressive we are, we should allow them to crap all over the family and friends of the ones murdered at Ground Zero?  Why not. They already have their cake might as well let them eat it, too.

[06wildcat]

So- to show them how progressive we are, we should allow them to crap all over the family and friends of the ones murdered at Ground Zero?  Why not. They already have their cake might as well let them eat it, too.

Such is the price of living in a free society no? Just to be clear, you're also against Catholic churches near schools too correct?

[jtksu]

You seriously trying to compare churches near schools to a mosque at ground zero?  Man, you are one brain washed dude.

[jtksu]

I must have missed the coverage of the planes the catholics hijacked and flew into a school, killing thousands.

[CHONGS]

So- to show them how progressive we are, we should allow them to crap all over the family and friends of the ones murdered at Ground Zero?  Why not. They already have their cake might as well let them eat it, too.

Those pesky ideals.

[CHONGS]

I must have missed the coverage of the planes the catholics hijacked and flew into a school, killing thousands.

I guess I missed the coverage where the Muslims who are building the Cordoba Center did too.

[I_have_purplewood]

suck my balls. we are building the thing.

This is the attitude of the so-called moderate bridge-building imam.

This is no different than the Nubbs coming to KSU, beating our a$$es, then dancing on the giant powercat in the middle of the field while flipping off the crowd.

That's so dumb I wouldn't even know where to start on it. I truly hope you don't honestly believe that.

I haven't read through this whole thread but the bottom line is that, unquestionably, they should be able to build the thing.

There are certain rare situations in which the constitution should be violated, such as when our imminent safety is in danger among select other situations, but this is not, and is not even close, to being one of those situations.

Does it suck? Yes.
Does it personally piss me off? Yep.
Is that worth amending the very freedom our country stands for? Hell no. Not even close.

I would have to concur with Benja here.  I'm a staunch Republican but hate that both our parties are trying to piss on the Constitution.  I hate that they have to build it so close to that tragic site but think they should be allowed to do as much.

I think it would behoove them to build elsewhere because I can see this Mosque being the victim of many hate crimes over the next several years.  

 

[CHONGS]

One floor will be a "Mosque".

[06wildcat]

I must have missed the coverage of the planes the catholics hijacked and flew into a school, killing thousands.

Well all Catholic priests are pedophiles, according to your aforementioned logic. Seems like that would be shitting all over any kid who was ever molested. Again, just extrapolating your logic to everything, it's kinda fun.

[jtksu]

Keep your words out of my mouth, you jackass.

[jtksu]

So, we're to assume that these particular Muslims are completely ignorant of the significance of the site and simply chose this particular building at random?  They are in no way trying to make a correlation between those acts and this building by dedicating it exactly 10 years after the attacks.  These are simply peaceful people who want to build a 100 million dollar Muslim cultural center in some of the most expensive real estate in the world.  That's all.  They're just trying to show the world that the majority of Muslims are progressive and receptive to building bridges between them and the US.  This makes absolutely zero sense to any rational person.

[06wildcat]

Keep your words out of my mouth, you jackass.

I'm not the one using Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) logic. If  you want to judge Islam on the actions of 19 people, you have to judge Catholicism on the actions of its pedophile priests.

"There are way more than 19 pedophile Catholic priests in the world and they ruin it for the rest of the religion."

I mean, only fellow pedophiles can defend Catholic priests calling for a church to be built near a playground.

Starting to get the point of how Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) your logic is?

[Pete]

I feel like our position on the Alamo is getting buried in all of this.