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Re: The DACA masterpiece
« Reply #275 on: January 24, 2018, 08:29:11 PM »
Republicans love the word amnesty.

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« Reply #276 on: January 24, 2018, 09:43:33 PM »
don't offer the pubs crap for daca.  if they want to unilaterally deport 800k sympathetic young english-speaking immigrants, let them.

would trade building a pointless wall for a natl employment id and enforcement of labor laws on employers, no-visa tourist entry for mexicans and rationalization (increase) in temporary no path to citizenship work visas.

Sys, it's like we have the same brain

I don’t have a problem with this either, tri-partisanship  :cheers:
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Re: The DACA masterpiece
« Reply #277 on: January 25, 2018, 08:10:28 AM »
Trump folding?   :Wha:

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« Reply #278 on: January 25, 2018, 08:32:16 AM »
Trump folding?   :Wha:

Trump doing what he does - bringing people to the table. He has expressed support for both a DACA amnesty and stronger border enforcement and immigration reforms. You can't focus on just one statement and forget the other. Ultimately, it is the legislature that will have to find the compromise.

The Clintons' favored pollster says Americans want all of the above. I think he is right. http://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/370440-american-public-backs-immigration-deal-with-daca-and-border-security

But I still think a deal is highly unlikely because: (1) Democrats are strongly opposed to giving Trump another signature legislative accomplishment before the midterms unless it is basically 100% on their terms, and (2) Democrats are strongly opposed to meaningful border enforcement or immigration reforms that focus on merit.

The one thing that might get the Democrats over the hump is granting not just legal status for DACA, but a pathway to citizenship. The lure of all those newly minted Democratic voters might be enough for them to give Trump a win on a wall and other immigration reforms. Maybe. And those reforms would have to be good enough to get House conservatives on board with a pathway to citizenship.
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Re: The DACA masterpiece
« Reply #279 on: January 25, 2018, 08:47:16 AM »
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« Reply #280 on: January 25, 2018, 06:11:09 PM »
I think most people (especially me) look at the wall being the stupid boondoggle of the whole thing, and terrible for the environment, and terrible for the literally thousands of land owners along the border that will get sliced up due to the "wall". Immigrants aren't like some Mongolian hoard that a wall can stop. Enforcement in general is fine. Using patrols, drones, and being more vigilant on overstays is a better choice. Deportation and seeking out too much of that side of enforcement is expensive and can be downright cruel if left along for a long time. But there needs to be a way to get these people a path to citizenship, or at least get them to being permanent residents if people are so scared about them getting voting rights, at least it gets them paying taxes and businesses to toe the line on it.

Having gone through all the legal path with my gf on getting green cards, the system is slow, costly, and racked with landmines if you don't have a lawyer, it's kinda no brainer why there are so many "illegals" it's goddamn hard to do it legitly.
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« Reply #281 on: January 25, 2018, 06:25:08 PM »
Bad dog Trumpie!  Hope House will be meanies.
If I was president, no wall.  Landmines.

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« Reply #282 on: January 25, 2018, 06:33:47 PM »
“The Wall is terrible for the environment.” Love it.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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« Reply #283 on: January 25, 2018, 06:37:46 PM »
The deal: Path to citizenship for 1.8 illegal immigrants in exchange for wall and other immigration reforms. Will be interesting to hear the Dem excuses for rejecting this deal (other than the truth - that they value open borders and denying trump another win over the Dreamers). I’m hoping they lead with “terrible for the environment.”

WSJ: Trump Proposes Citizenship in Exchange For Wall, Other Concessions
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« Reply #284 on: January 25, 2018, 07:41:21 PM »
“The Wall is terrible for the environment.” Love it.

Forget about the environment, do you think the wall is practical? How much of the border do you actually think we'll get walled for 50 billion, 125 miles?, and how long do you think it would take to get it built? If this wall happens, no rough ridin' chance, there's no way Trump would be alive to see it.

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« Reply #285 on: January 25, 2018, 07:55:15 PM »
Ahead of schedule, under budget, and Mexico’s buyin’   :driving:
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Re: The DACA masterpiece
« Reply #286 on: January 25, 2018, 07:58:37 PM »
the wall - a better or worse idea than bioethanol? serious question. like, it would probably just be better to set that money on fire.

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« Reply #287 on: January 25, 2018, 09:11:10 PM »
Lol, of the entire thing that's what dubs got of it, what an idiot. I would love for him to go down there an imminent domain some rancher's land cause it makes him feel better
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« Reply #288 on: January 25, 2018, 09:11:48 PM »
“The Wall is terrible for the environment.” Love it.

Forget about the environment, do you think the wall is practical? How much of the border do you actually think we'll get walled for 50 billion, 125 miles?, and how long do you think it would take to get it built? If this wall happens, no rough ridin' chance, there's no way Drumpf would be alive to see it.

I know right? That's what galled him the most.
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« Reply #289 on: January 25, 2018, 09:13:02 PM »
the wall - a better or worse idea than bioethanol? serious question. like, it would probably just be better to set that money on fire.

I think he would be ok with a trench filled with flaming cash if it meant stopping like a handful of them
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« Reply #290 on: January 25, 2018, 09:50:51 PM »
Having gone through all the legal path with my gf on getting green cards, the system is slow, costly, and racked with landmines if you don't have a lawyer, it's kinda no brainer why there are so many "illegals" it's goddamn hard to do it legitly.

Helping someone with the same thing has definitely affected my perspective on immigration.  It would be comical if it wasn't so sad/frustrating how many people view "illegal immigrants" as a uniform group of Mexicans who get in by sneaking across the U.S. boarder.  Many of them come by airplane because they had temporary visas which expired.  It is difficult to even get in to the U.S. legally, and incredibly difficult to legally stay for an extended amount of time.

If you want to fix the problems associated with illegal immigration, start with what sys said.  Make it easy for people to legally work in the U.S. and put systems in place to make sure the process has been followed.  I have no sympathy for people who complain about extra competition for their jobs. If you're worried about someone from another country doing your job for less, you should be getting better or lobbying to raise the minimum wage.

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« Reply #291 on: January 26, 2018, 08:13:01 AM »
“The Wall is terrible for the environment.” Love it.

Forget about the environment, do you think the wall is practical? How much of the border do you actually think we'll get walled for 50 billion, 125 miles?, and how long do you think it would take to get it built? If this wall happens, no rough ridin' chance, there's no way Drumpf would be alive to see it.

I know right? That's what galled him the most.

The environmental issues really are the worst aspect of the wall, though. Without them, we would just be throwing billions of dollars away to achieve nothing. With those issues, we are spending billions of dollars to make things worse than they currently are.

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Re: The DACA masterpiece
« Reply #292 on: January 26, 2018, 09:09:05 AM »
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« Reply #293 on: January 26, 2018, 09:41:58 AM »
What you have identified is a failure of our education system.  Maybe we could spend $25 billion more on that instead of a stupid wall?  Or are you just assuming black people should always be the ones working at those type of lower skilled jobs?

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« Reply #294 on: January 26, 2018, 09:49:24 AM »
Yeah, it's great...unless your black with lower skill set.
https://cis.org/Testimony/Immigration-and-Black-Americans-Assessing-Impact
Can tell you from experience at my employer.  About 10 years ago, we had around 30 African American employees.  Most were lower skilled and young men (warehouse and some manual assembly)  Our company decided to sub-contract this work to a temp agency(no benefits).  Today, we have 3 African American employees.  Guess it's okay that they lost their jobs, the sense of decency of providing, their pride of working in Joco vs hangin in KCMO.  Maybe, (hopefully) they can increase their skill set and get better jobs.  But making things harder for someone and then blaming them for their inability to compete seems to be cruel.

But I guess the purpose of a government is no longer working for the betterment of it's citizens.     

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« Reply #295 on: January 26, 2018, 12:23:16 PM »
Pres delivered a marvelous speech on immigration. Some excerpts....

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All Americans are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public services they use impose burdens on our taxpayers.

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When I see Mexican flags waving at pro-immigration demonstrations, I sometimes feel a flush of patriotic resentment. When I’m forced to use a translator to communicate with the guy fixing my car, I feel a certain frustration.

Bravo Mr. President.
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« Reply #296 on: January 26, 2018, 12:25:18 PM »
He didn't seriously say that did he?

What a miserable piece of crap
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« Reply #297 on: January 26, 2018, 12:32:38 PM »
I find it hard to believe the President has had to personally get his car fixed at any point in the last 3 decades.


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« Reply #298 on: January 26, 2018, 02:14:51 PM »
Speak American!

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« Reply #299 on: January 26, 2018, 02:53:09 PM »
What's he saying Jeff?  He says your blinker fluid is low and your catalytic converter is shot Mr President
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