The Last Jedi discusso WITH SPOILERS

[mocat]

So did Luke end up good or bad?  Seems like that's what people were talking about leading up to this one but now no one is talking about it.  Just curious.

he kind of was bad there for a sec but his acting got like infinity x better so overall he's still good imo

IDK if bad, just in total shutdown mode for being upset at himself for failing Ren. But yeah, Hammill is easily tops of the acting for the movie. He played his part to perfection.

yeah that's when he was bad for a sec, when he was thinking about killing adam ben solo driver

[Cire]

Luke hadn't completely given up on the Jedi yet,

He paused before burning the tree, tried to go in to get the texts AND seemed incredulous that Yoda had actually done it.

I think he just knew that he didn't have the ability to help/fight and was pouty/depressed which fits his character.

[Phil Titola]

The scene where Rey cuts tuenrock and it hits the carekeepers wheelbarrow made me IRL lol

[GregKSU1027]

Kenobi was pretty much a nobody by the time Luke met him. I think that was Kylo trying to manipulate.

good point. her parents being downgrades does not mean one of them couldn't have been a kenobi

Anakin came from nothing. Why can't Rey?

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[GregKSU1027]

Leia also has force powers guys. If you remember that Yoda said there is another jedi in Return of the jedi before he died.

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[GregKSU1027]

So did Luke end up good or bad?  Seems like that's what people were talking about leading up to this one but now no one is talking about it.  Just curious.

He became a gray jedi. Basically someone who walks the line between the light and the dark.

KYLO is also basically a gray jedi as well.

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[Cire]

maybe that's what luke was training them all to be?

I'd say Kylo is a bit darker.

[GregKSU1027]

maybe that's what luke was training them all to be?

I'd say Kylo is a bit darker.

Kylo is interested in starting over, so is Rey. Rey is also interested in the old regime of jedi which is why she took the books. She is going to re new the jedi order and go to all of the planets to get force sensitive kids. Just as Luke had planned. That's where broom kid comes in.

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[cfbandyman]

Kenobi was pretty much a nobody by the time Luke met him. I think that was Kylo trying to manipulate.

good point. her parents being downgrades does not mean one of them couldn't have been a kenobi

Anakin came from nothing. Why can't Rey?

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Right, and just like force kid on casino planet there are plenty of kids who come from obscure downtrodden places and don't need crazy bloodline to be someone. I also think that is where Luke was being all "don't rely on legends" stuff was kinda coming from.

[Mrs. Gooch]

P.S. Anakin didn't come from nothing. He came form midichlorians impregnating his mother.

Being a whiny teenager runs in the Skywalker family so I don't think Rey is a Skywalker.

[GregKSU1027]

P.S. Anakin didn't come from nothing. He came form midichlorians impregnating his mother.

Being a whiny teenager runs in the Skywalker family so I don't think Rey is a Skywalker.

Plagueis created Anakin

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[GregKSU1027]

P.S. Anakin didn't come from nothing. He came form midichlorians impregnating his mother.

Being a whiny teenager runs in the Skywalker family so I don't think Rey is a Skywalker.

Plagueis created Anakin

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And yeah I agree with the whiny teenager thing.

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[WildcatNkilt]

Not knowing how Snoke came into power or who he is in general bothered me.  He was one of the biggest questions at the end of TFA.  The fact that they just killed him off and gave him no importance to the overall story line is baffling. 

I guess now Disney has a gap to make a new trilogy or side story. 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

8. I hope you guys understand the whole overall lesson here is don't question your female boss.

Yes, this writer had the same take.

www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/star-wars-last-jedi-laura-dern-admiral-holdo-listen-to-women

To which I respond, that whole Girls Only Secret Plan was both a plot contrivance and a dumb plan, as discussed above.

[Mrs. Gooch]

8. I hope you guys understand the whole overall lesson here is don't question your female boss.

Yes, this writer had the same take.

www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/star-wars-last-jedi-laura-dern-admiral-holdo-listen-to-women

To which I respond, that whole Girls Only Secret Plan was both a plot contrivance and a dumb plan, as discussed above.

As this author noted, as soon as Poe was let in on the plan he spilled it to DJamer which caused it to get to the First Order. Do Generals & Admirals usually tell every pilot the entire overall strategic plan or just what they need to know to do their part of the job?

[Woogy]

Kenobi was pretty much a nobody by the time Luke met him. I think that was Kylo trying to manipulate.

good point. her parents being downgrades does not mean one of them couldn't have been a kenobi

There's also Kylo's reaction in TFA to hearing a "girl" was with BB when escaping Jakku....

[Mrs. Gooch]

Not knowing how Snoke came into power or who he is in general bothered me.  He was one of the biggest questions at the end of TFA.  The fact that they just killed him off and gave him no importance to the overall story line is baffling. 

I guess now Disney has a gap to make a new trilogy or side story.

Well we didn't know the Emperor's origin in the original trilogy either, right? Isn't it nearly the same?

[puniraptor]

let me start with things that I liked:

1. adorable hand puppet yoda. even tho everything he said or did was stupid and sucked it was great to see and excellent hand puppet yoda and for them to ditch the cgi nightmare he had become in more recent films.

2. space leia. even though it sucked and was truly horrible, I liked it because I expected that was them killing her off in a lame way because she was dead irl and then major twist on me she wasn't killed off after all.

3. killing big bad snoke with no fanfare and not dealing with any of his crap or where he came from or anything. this giant smeagle was a lame big bad and the whole first order thing from day one has been pretty bad so I appreciated that they killed him in this way. good twist mr director.

4. luke temple backstory. fear has always been the aspect of the dark side haunting luke so it was good to see that he gave in to it for a moment and ended up creating dark kylo.

5. rey was not related to anybody and came from nothing. good twist, I hope they keep it up. everybody being related to anybody in order to be special is a star wars disease.

6. not the plot device, but divorced from the rest of the movie the hyperspace cruiser killing everything in silence was super cool.

7. the ironing joke. lol

you can assume I hated basically everything else. I will follow up later with specific items that made the hate flow through me.

[mocat]

did you have to watch it dubbed over in japanese?

[puniraptor]

did you have to watch it dubbed over in japanese?

lol no. prolly would have been cool tho

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

It's pretty clear that Ben was either mistaken or lying about Rey's parents, according to her flashback. I don't really care. I likewise don't really care that Luke "died." I actually kind of like that Snoke was killed in this episode because it sets up interesting possibilities for the next installment.

These three things seem to be what most people are upset about, and I just don't get it. I have a much bigger problem with how weak and dumb a big part of the story was.

Couple other nits: what was the deal with Luke spear fishing in the most ridiculous way possible?

And if Ben was on the island and knew where Luke was all along, why didn't they just go there to kill him? And how did Ben get off the island?

[mocat]

Rian is on record saying Ben was being honest to Rey about her parents.
But imo he was being deceived by Snoke

[Mrs. Gooch]

Ben was never on that island....

[everyone shut up]

I really should go watch this

[puniraptor]

I really should go watch this

just wait till I get started on the bad stuff!