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the leia space float :flush:
the rey-to-kylo lightsaber toss into the eyeball of that red dude :love:
dreadnoughts :love:
not enough screen time for Finn and Benicio :frown:
the rey talking to kylo over long distance scenes worked pretty well imo
i guess we'll never know where snoak came from?
rey's parents were nobodies? :dubious: pretty sure she is a kenobi
did that kid at the end use the force to grab his broom?
thoughts?
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the casino part was not good. Rian had to cut about 45-60 mins from his first cut and i'm guessing that's where most of it was axed, because the part that was left IN the movie felt rushed/forced. if the director's cut comes out i bet there is some good stuff with Theroux.
laura dern was fine, and she stole Idris' move from Prometheus and it worked just as well this time
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Kenobi was pretty much a nobody by the time Luke met him. :dunno: I think that was Kylo trying to manipulate.
Yes, force kid at the end and will become part of the new resistance.
I liked Benicio. I also really liked Finn. I also watched the Circle last night and couldn't quit thinking it was Finn in that movie.
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Kenobi was pretty much a nobody by the time Luke met him. :dunno: I think that was Kylo trying to manipulate.
good point. her parents being downgrades does not mean one of them couldn't have been a kenobi
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Hated the whole casino sub plot. BUT the force kid with the broom had the ring that rose gave him so that may be important.
Also think that kylo lied/didn't really know who rey's parents were.
Kylo is a "somebody" who killed his past. He want's rey to think she is a nobody that should also kill her past.
I think she is/should be a somebody that will embrace her past.
that would fit into the balance theme.
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oh yeah, can we take 3PO out back and put him down yet? good grief
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I think Kylo was just rough ridin' with her. Her parents are probably important and will be revealed next movie.
The whole movie felt like they had a lot of good ideas, put them all in a bucket, shook the bucket, and then dumped all of the ideas out and that was the order. The storytelling sucked.
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I do enjoy that Kylo and Rey and mirror images of each other and are even when it comes to powers.
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i hope rey's parents being nobodies turns out to be the case, tbh
space leia was lol bad. poor ackbar was just a poof. not sure why snoke replaced the royal guard with power rangers?
enjoyed luke in this - the whole astral projection / emo kylo rage-fighting ghosts seemed perfect story-wise.
hux and kylo, how does anything get done?
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I liked the casino scene....although it did feel forced.
I have no idea if this can be true but I feel like Rey and Kylo are siblings....the talking to each other and then the next scene is Leia and Luke talking to each other made me feel like they were trying to tell everybody that
The shot where Luke is walking out of the cave and the ATATs in the background :love:
I heard some didn't like all the comedy...I liked it and didn't feel like it was too much.
I feel like the didn't enhance the story much....but overall I liked it.
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I think part of the disappointment is Star Wars overload. We used to have to wait 3 years between these things. Now its 2 years with the special Star Wars story in between.
I loved the Dreadnaught things and the various ways of destroying them. The bomber thing was pretty cool.
At first I was a little weird with the Leia in space thing, but when she came back I was pretty whatever.
I really liked the Kylo/Rey talking to each other things.
I also liked Luke basically acting like Yoda towards Rey.
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All right, so since we've got a spoiler thread, what in the purple haired eff was that all about?
So the FO can track the Resistance through hyperspace. But no explanation of what they were tracking (I thought it was Leia's ring). Then we're treated to this slow motion chase plot with the narrative contrivance that the Resistance ships are faster because they're lighter, but they're running out of fuel. Okaaaaay.
But not to worry. Finn, who is going to travel through hyperspace in an escape pod (wtf?) to find Rey, just happens to run into this rando chick who totally figures out the hyperspace tracking thing in 5 seconds. Then they talk to that weird yoda knockoff who tells them they have to go on a Quest to find the Ring of Power, Sword of Truth, fill in whatever video game nonsense you want.
So then they hop in a ship and off they go. Which begs the question, if it's that easy to just skip town on the FO.... why the hell didn't the rest of the Resistance split up in other ships?! Again, the FO could only track one.
Oh that's right, because purple haired Laura Dern and Leia have a Secret Plan that they can't tell anyone about. Because plot convenience. A plan that amounted to using a Klingon "cloaking device" (not even shitting you) to sneak away to the one planet in their vicinity, which the FO was totally just gonna overlook.
Meanwhile, Finn and rando asian chick are at the casino. After some weird class resentment monologue from R.A.C., they get locked up for illegal parking (yes, this happened), and just happen to be put in a cell with a guy who can open cell doors. :shootmenow:
I could go on, but this is making my head hurt.
Everything else I liked. But the whole middle act with the Resistance was a train wreck.
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consensus on VIII seems to be that the plot is too busy, causing the movie to sag a bit in the middle.
but i mean remember how much the prequels suck? like, the script and the acting and the characters? at least we can all agree that those incredibly important fundamental movie things are awesome again.
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I kinda enjoyed how they kept effing with you thinking how they were going to get rid of Leia (oh she got shot out in space, nope JK lolz, oh she is going to stay behind on the ship instead of the new lady and was like nope, you take it bitch, I'm GTFOing out of here)
I hated the slow space chase, like, it seemed super forced/contrived way of setting up the main drama crux of the story and I think it kept me from truly enjoying the movie. It just felt like a James Bond Villain-esque way of giving them an arbitrary amount of time to stay alive w/o actually sending a bunch of fighters in to finish them off (and I don't care if they would be "out of range" of protection, for eff's sake Ren's attach nearly killed Leia and it took out the bridge Just, ugh).
Loved the dreadnought destruction scene
Really, really loved the hyperspace jump kamikaze scene (when it went totally silent and the lights/spray of the ships :love: )
The casino part didn't bother me that much, it was a little forced but I think what bothered me more was like oh, we got this rando guy instead to help code break into Snoke's ship
Snoke went out like a bitch, guess we won't know anything about him
The porg stuff was fine, not enough to bother
I thought overall the acting, directing, and main plot was pretty good, glad it went it's own path, and while it had overtones of other star wars movies it'll didn't follow the same freaking route.
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consensus on VIII seems to be that the plot is too busy, causing the movie to sag a bit in the middle.
but i mean remember how much the prequels suck? like, the script and the acting and the characters? at least we can all agree that those incredibly important fundamental movie things are awesome again.
It is decidedly better than any of the prequels. But for me this movie is a great house built on a shitty foundation. If they had better reasons/less "convenient" plot devices to create all the drama, this movie would've kicked some series ass, Instead it's good, not great.
But as I said before, I am glad they went away from blowing up another death star, and I am glad it wasn't a ESB redux.
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So did Luke end up good or bad? Seems like that's what people were talking about leading up to this one but now no one is talking about it. Just curious.
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So did Luke end up good or bad? Seems like that's what people were talking about leading up to this one but now no one is talking about it. Just curious.
he kind of was bad there for a sec but his acting got like infinity x better so overall he's still good imo
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Mark Hammill was really good. Kinda surprised he hasn't done more on camera.
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1. The space float was too cheesy.
2. I kept thinking that Benicio was going to turn out to be the real codebreaker sicne MAz never gave his name (like he lost his lapel pin in a bet to Justin Theroux) but nope.
3. I think that Kylo THINKS that Rey's parents were nobody but maybe they really are SOMEBODY. That flashback in TFA when Rey was left on Jakku, she is watching someone fly off planet - not staying to die in a Papuer's grave on Jakku like Kylo said. (Maybe Rey could still be a reincarnation of Anakin or maybe a new beginning to a line of force sensitives - like Anakin was) I mean Luke was told his father was dead so being told your parents are nobodies doesn't hold that much weight.
4. So no blowing up a death star, but there STILL was a mini-death star.
5. I liked the Kylo/Rey teaming up fight; but then at the end he didn't really turn to the light.
6. The biggest disappointment to me is reading that there actually is no underlying backstory for Rey given to Rian Johnson when he wrote this movie. So her parentage hasn't really even been determined yet.
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Mark Hammill was really good. Kinda surprised he hasn't done more on camera.
yeah
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7. I liked the jokes. Did not like the annoying guy in the theater with the annoying laugh who laughed too loudly at ever-y-single joke.
8. I hope you guys understand the whole overall lesson here is don't question your female boss.
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So did Luke end up good or bad? Seems like that's what people were talking about leading up to this one but now no one is talking about it. Just curious.
he kind of was bad there for a sec but his acting got like infinity x better so overall he's still good imo
IDK if bad, just in total shutdown mode for being upset at himself for failing Ren. But yeah, Hammill is easily tops of the acting for the movie. He played his part to perfection.
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I really liked it. There were a couple things I hated, though. Finn and Poe's story was awful and completely useless. I wish they explained more about Snoke.
Anyways, the other stuff people are complaining about didn't really bother me.
People seem to hate Rey's parent reveal. I loved it. There were only two acceptable reveals. 1) Rey's parents are nobodys or 2) The empire tried cloning jedi's from Luke's arm and she's one of the offspring. This was all about separating from light/dark and all of the bloodlines. Something long over due.
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So did Luke end up good or bad? Seems like that's what people were talking about leading up to this one but now no one is talking about it. Just curious.
He became a gray jedi. Basically someone who walks the line between the light and the dark.
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So did Luke end up good or bad? Seems like that's what people were talking about leading up to this one but now no one is talking about it. Just curious.
he kind of was bad there for a sec but his acting got like infinity x better so overall he's still good imo
IDK if bad, just in total shutdown mode for being upset at himself for failing Ren. But yeah, Hammill is easily tops of the acting for the movie. He played his part to perfection.
yeah that's when he was bad for a sec, when he was thinking about killing adam ben solo driver
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Luke hadn't completely given up on the Jedi yet,
He paused before burning the tree, tried to go in to get the texts AND seemed incredulous that Yoda had actually done it.
I think he just knew that he didn't have the ability to help/fight and was pouty/depressed which fits his character.
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The scene where Rey cuts tuenrock and it hits the carekeepers wheelbarrow made me IRL lol
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Kenobi was pretty much a nobody by the time Luke met him. :dunno: I think that was Kylo trying to manipulate.
good point. her parents being downgrades does not mean one of them couldn't have been a kenobi
Anakin came from nothing. Why can't Rey?
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Leia also has force powers guys. If you remember that Yoda said there is another jedi in Return of the jedi before he died.
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So did Luke end up good or bad? Seems like that's what people were talking about leading up to this one but now no one is talking about it. Just curious.
He became a gray jedi. Basically someone who walks the line between the light and the dark.
KYLO is also basically a gray jedi as well.
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maybe that's what luke was training them all to be?
I'd say Kylo is a bit darker.
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maybe that's what luke was training them all to be?
I'd say Kylo is a bit darker.
Kylo is interested in starting over, so is Rey. Rey is also interested in the old regime of jedi which is why she took the books. She is going to re new the jedi order and go to all of the planets to get force sensitive kids. Just as Luke had planned. That's where broom kid comes in.
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Kenobi was pretty much a nobody by the time Luke met him. :dunno: I think that was Kylo trying to manipulate.
good point. her parents being downgrades does not mean one of them couldn't have been a kenobi
Anakin came from nothing. Why can't Rey?
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Right, and just like force kid on casino planet there are plenty of kids who come from obscure downtrodden places and don't need crazy bloodline to be someone. I also think that is where Luke was being all "don't rely on legends" stuff was kinda coming from.
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P.S. Anakin didn't come from nothing. He came form midichlorians impregnating his mother.
Being a whiny teenager runs in the Skywalker family so I don't think Rey is a Skywalker.
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P.S. Anakin didn't come from nothing. He came form midichlorians impregnating his mother.
Being a whiny teenager runs in the Skywalker family so I don't think Rey is a Skywalker.
Plagueis created Anakin
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P.S. Anakin didn't come from nothing. He came form midichlorians impregnating his mother.
Being a whiny teenager runs in the Skywalker family so I don't think Rey is a Skywalker.
Plagueis created Anakin
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And yeah I agree with the whiny teenager thing.
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Not knowing how Snoke came into power or who he is in general bothered me. He was one of the biggest questions at the end of TFA. The fact that they just killed him off and gave him no importance to the overall story line is baffling.
I guess now Disney has a gap to make a new trilogy or side story.
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8. I hope you guys understand the whole overall lesson here is don't question your female boss.
Yes, this writer had the same take.
www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/star-wars-last-jedi-laura-dern-admiral-holdo-listen-to-women (http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/star-wars-last-jedi-laura-dern-admiral-holdo-listen-to-women)
To which I respond, that whole Girls Only Secret Plan was both a plot contrivance and a dumb plan, as discussed above.
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8. I hope you guys understand the whole overall lesson here is don't question your female boss.
Yes, this writer had the same take.
www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/star-wars-last-jedi-laura-dern-admiral-holdo-listen-to-women (http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/12/star-wars-last-jedi-laura-dern-admiral-holdo-listen-to-women)
To which I respond, that whole Girls Only Secret Plan was both a plot contrivance and a dumb plan, as discussed above.
As this author noted, as soon as Poe was let in on the plan he spilled it to DJamer which caused it to get to the First Order. Do Generals & Admirals usually tell every pilot the entire overall strategic plan or just what they need to know to do their part of the job?
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Kenobi was pretty much a nobody by the time Luke met him. :dunno: I think that was Kylo trying to manipulate.
good point. her parents being downgrades does not mean one of them couldn't have been a kenobi
There's also Kylo's reaction in TFA to hearing a "girl" was with BB when escaping Jakku....
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Not knowing how Snoke came into power or who he is in general bothered me. He was one of the biggest questions at the end of TFA. The fact that they just killed him off and gave him no importance to the overall story line is baffling.
I guess now Disney has a gap to make a new trilogy or side story.
Well we didn't know the Emperor's origin in the original trilogy either, right? Isn't it nearly the same?
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let me start with things that I liked:
1. adorable hand puppet yoda. even tho everything he said or did was stupid and sucked it was great to see and excellent hand puppet yoda and for them to ditch the cgi nightmare he had become in more recent films.
2. space leia. even though it sucked and was truly horrible, I liked it because I expected that was them killing her off in a lame way because she was dead irl and then major twist on me she wasn't killed off after all.
3. killing big bad snoke with no fanfare and not dealing with any of his crap or where he came from or anything. this giant smeagle was a lame big bad and the whole first order thing from day one has been pretty bad so I appreciated that they killed him in this way. good twist mr director.
4. luke temple backstory. fear has always been the aspect of the dark side haunting luke so it was good to see that he gave in to it for a moment and ended up creating dark kylo.
5. rey was not related to anybody and came from nothing. good twist, I hope they keep it up. everybody being related to anybody in order to be special is a star wars disease.
6. not the plot device, but divorced from the rest of the movie the hyperspace cruiser killing everything in silence was super cool.
7. the ironing joke. lol
you can assume I hated basically everything else. I will follow up later with specific items that made the hate flow through me.
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did you have to watch it dubbed over in japanese?
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did you have to watch it dubbed over in japanese?
lol no. prolly would have been cool tho
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It's pretty clear that Ben was either mistaken or lying about Rey's parents, according to her flashback. I don't really care. I likewise don't really care that Luke "died." I actually kind of like that Snoke was killed in this episode because it sets up interesting possibilities for the next installment.
These three things seem to be what most people are upset about, and I just don't get it. I have a much bigger problem with how weak and dumb a big part of the story was.
Couple other nits: what was the deal with Luke spear fishing in the most ridiculous way possible?
And if Ben was on the island and knew where Luke was all along, why didn't they just go there to kill him? And how did Ben get off the island?
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Rian is on record saying Ben was being honest to Rey about her parents.
But imo he was being deceived by Snoke
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Ben was never on that island....
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I really should go watch this
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I really should go watch this
just wait till I get started on the bad stuff!
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Don't hold back
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I thought the red dirt on the salt planet made a pretty cool visual effect.
The whole Finn/Rose side plot would have been ok with me if they would have been caught and then killed or sold into slavery or something. Putting them back where they started just made the whole thing a complete waste of time.
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First and worst. Wtf was up with those bombers? Totally implausible space battle weaponry, took me out of the whole thing.
And a handheld remote is the only way to "drop" them? Jedi rough ridin' Christ
Not to mention the fact that every gargantuan space ship has a tickle spot that causes instant total destruction.
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I think the bombs just had to hit any spot on the ship. Everyone was yelling at that lady to drop them for like 10 minutes as she floated overhead, anyway.
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I think you had to be down where the dead guy was OR use the remote.
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I think the bombs just had to hit any spot on the ship. Everyone was yelling at that lady to drop them for like 10 minutes as she floated overhead, anyway.
They wouldn't have dropped though...unless the dreadnaught had its own gravitational pull....should have put little rockets on the bombs.
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Rey didn't come from nobody parents. Mark it down. Hot take.
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I think the bombs just had to hit any spot on the ship. Everyone was yelling at that lady to drop them for like 10 minutes as she floated overhead, anyway.
They wouldn't have dropped though...unless the dreadnaught had its own gravitational pull....should have put little rockets on the bombs.
Yeah. Also, am I remembering it wrong, or was the lady that dropped the bombs just laying at the bottom of the platform with open space below her?
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I think the bombs just had to hit any spot on the ship. Everyone was yelling at that lady to drop them for like 10 minutes as she floated overhead, anyway.
They wouldn't have dropped though...unless the dreadnaught had its own gravitational pull....should have put little rockets on the bombs.
Yeah. Also, am I remembering it wrong, or was the lady that dropped the bombs just laying at the bottom of the platform with open space below her?
Well she was laying on a platform at the bottom.
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I think the bombs just had to hit any spot on the ship. Everyone was yelling at that lady to drop them for like 10 minutes as she floated overhead, anyway.
They wouldn't have dropped though...unless the dreadnaught had its own gravitational pull....should have put little rockets on the bombs.
Yeah. Also, am I remembering it wrong, or was the lady that dropped the bombs just laying at the bottom of the platform with open space below her?
Well she was laying on a platform at the bottom.
Was she wearing any sort of space suit? It's also pretty odd that she fell down a ladder and was able to kick the remote down to her.
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yeah that bothered me a bit. like she was just breathing in open space
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yeah that bothered me a bit. like she was just breathing in open space
The bomb bay has an artificial atmosphere in it.
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Not knowing how Snoke came into power or who he is in general bothered me. He was one of the biggest questions at the end of TFA. The fact that they just killed him off and gave him no importance to the overall story line is baffling.
I guess now Disney has a gap to make a new trilogy or side story.
Well we didn't know the Emperor's origin in the original trilogy either, right? Isn't it nearly the same?
Sure, but he (Emperor) was also part of the last movie (episode VI). TLJ just killed Snoke off in the middle of the 2nd movie of this new trilogy. In episodes I-III we learned more about the Emperor's background and how he coerced Anakin to the dark side. I would really like to know how Snoke reached out to Kylo and did the same....maybe this will be answered in episode IX.
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My point is, even when the Emperor died, you still didn't know his backstory. Snoke dying in the second movie just makes Kylo the big bad of the trilogy instead of Snoke.
What if Snoke shows up in the Han movie..... A young Snoke (maybe his name wasn't Snoke then) encounters and is swindled by Han....so then Snoke vows to ruin Han's life sometime in the future.
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Something else implausible: Remember in that one prequel where that red faced guy had the light saber that came out both ends? It was like a light saber bo staff or something. Well when all the jedi saw how badass that was they would probably all start using that type of light saber. And yet in all these new movies no one has one. Pretty implausible.
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After taking a few days to mull over it more and talk to some friends on their takes of my gripes with the movie, I am still pissed with the general slow car chase in space, but I think the Yoda line of "failure is the greatest teacher" is much more the overarching lesson of the movie.
Literally everyone is making difficult decisions in difficult times and they are all failing, badly. But that the people making those decisions (especially after Snoke gets run through and Leia is unconscious) are in general young, or relatively inexperienced in positions on authority for both sides (Resistance and First Order), and I think that was the point of most of it. Kylo is super young, Hox or w/e isn't that much older, Finn/Rey/Poe are fairly young, and even Purple hair was a leader, but clearly in a subordinate role until called up.
I don't care about how/when Luke "dies", Rey coming from nothing, and while I wish I knew more about Snoke dying, I am kinda glad that potential loose end is done.
Going on the bombing run, I thought it was weird, no way that ship has enough gravity to pull them down towards it that fast, even a very big ship like Snoke's is still (and I looked it up) 60km in width, huge yes, but tiny compared to any planet or moon, let alone that deadnaught. I chalk it up to some sort of unseen propulsion at work. The bomb doors being open and her being fine is really no big deal, literally since the beginning there have been examples of what I am assuming big force field containment (see Millennium Falcon going onto the Death Star).
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Something else implausible: Remember in that one prequel where that red faced guy had the light saber that came out both ends? It was like a light saber bo staff or something. Well when all the jedi saw how badass that was they would probably all start using that type of light saber. And yet in all these new movies no one has one. Pretty implausible.
Yeah, I've been wondering this since the prequels. I mean, you could argue that with the fall of the Jedi, and the Jedi being scattered at the end of Ep 3, the info about the awesome bo staff light saber just didn't get transmitted.
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Something else implausible: Remember in that one prequel where that red faced guy had the light saber that came out both ends? It was like a light saber bo staff or something. Well when all the jedi saw how badass that was they would probably all start using that type of light saber. And yet in all these new movies no one has one. Pretty implausible.
Yeah, I've been wondering this since the prequels. I mean, you could argue that with the fall of the Jedi, and the Jedi being scattered at the end of Ep 3, the info about the awesome bo staff light saber just didn't get transmitted.
I just assumed there were too many accidental impalings from opening the wrong end, so they were outlawed by galactic regulation. Just a safety thing.
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All that and just choreography. You can't really use a bo staff just holding it only in the center.
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ok, the hyperspace kamikaze attack. while inarguably the best scene in the movie, in the plot it was ridiculous and the fact that it was even possible totally changes what space warfare would have been like.
ok, if they knew this was possible, and they were sacrificing ships and people anyhow, why didn't they flip a bitch on that first straggling evacuated frigate and lightspeed jump it right into the center of that giant cheese wedge?
we already know that small starfighters and apparently even small escape pods can hyperjump, how are there not hyperspeed cruise missiles? all space wars would be fought from many thousands of kilometers away with devastating hyperspace missiles. no bombers. no xwings. no tie fighters. no bombers
no bombers
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taking lil sd to this friday. didn't read this probably garbage thread so as to avoid spoilers but I can't really follow what's going on from movie to movie anyway.
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Arcing cannonball shots from the big ship. Come on.............
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ok, the hyperspace kamikaze attack. while inarguably the best scene in the movie, in the plot it was ridiculous and the fact that it was even possible totally changes what space warfare would have been like.
ok, if they knew this was possible, and they were sacrificing ships and people anyhow, why didn't they flip a bitch on that first straggling evacuated frigate and lightspeed jump it right into the center of that giant cheese wedge?
we already know that small starfighters and apparently even small escape pods can hyperjump, how are there not hyperspeed cruise missiles? all space wars would be fought from many thousands of kilometers away with devastating hyperspace missiles. no bombers. no xwings. no tie fighters. no bombers
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I don't get the hyperspace criticism. Of course a ship that's a few miles long traveling through hyperspace is going to blow up whatever it hits. Han Solo made that point in the first movie. I think the movie made a good point of the First Order guys having every opportunity to shoot down the ship before it entered hyperspace and choosing not to. It's not a viable way of attacking if whoever you are trying to hit isn't that dumbass ginger guy.
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ok, the hyperspace kamikaze attack. while inarguably the best scene in the movie, in the plot it was ridiculous and the fact that it was even possible totally changes what space warfare would have been like.
you probably hate idris elba too you big jerk
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I would think that a ship with hyperdrive capability would need a sophisticated collision avoidance system which would prevent that move from even being initiated.
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The speed and hyperspace ability of certain ships might seem like nitpicking, but it is unfortunately a huge part of the plot and riddled with plot holes. Really annoying.
Everyone has their theory as to why fan reviews are so low. The truth? The script was a hot mess of lazy storytelling, absurd plot holes, recycled ideas and lifeless characterizations. Over 50 percent of the movie is about an elite squadron of Star Destroyers failing to catch a single Rebel transport ship that is taking 20 hours to run out of gas.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/movies/the-last-jedi-fans-critics.amp.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/movies/the-last-jedi-fans-critics.amp.html)
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Rey didn't come from nobody parents. Mark it down. Hot take.
I read up on this and it's old clone wars weaponry that the resistance had stumbled upon and had for super backup emergency situations. So the bombers weren't new tech. The bombs were also said to be very heavy so they would just fall through space.
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Rey didn't come from nobody parents. Mark it down. Hot take.
I read up on this and it's old clone wars weaponry that the resistance had stumbled upon and had for super backup emergency situations. So the bombers weren't new tech. The bombs were also said to be very heavy so they would just fall through space.
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Rey didn't come from nobody parents. Mark it down. Hot take.
I read up on this and it's old clone wars weaponry that the resistance had stumbled upon and had for super backup emergency situations. So the bombers weren't new tech. The bombs were also said to be very heavy so they would just fall through space.
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This was meant to reply Phil's other post not the Rey post.
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Weight equals mass times gravity, greg.
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Which direction do things "fall" in space?
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not a good look, greg
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ok, the hyperspace kamikaze attack. while inarguably the best scene in the movie, in the plot it was ridiculous and the fact that it was even possible totally changes what space warfare would have been like.
ok, if they knew this was possible, and they were sacrificing ships and people anyhow, why didn't they flip a bitch on that first straggling evacuated frigate and lightspeed jump it right into the center of that giant cheese wedge?
we already know that small starfighters and apparently even small escape pods can hyperjump, how are there not hyperspeed cruise missiles? all space wars would be fought from many thousands of kilometers away with devastating hyperspace missiles. no bombers. no xwings. no tie fighters. no bombers
no bombers
I don't get the hyperspace criticism. Of course a ship that's a few miles long traveling through hyperspace is going to blow up whatever it hits. Han Solo made that point in the first movie. I think the movie made a good point of the First Order guys having every opportunity to shoot down the ship before it entered hyperspace and choosing not to. It's not a viable way of attacking if whoever you are trying to hit isn't that dumbass ginger guy.
my criticism isn't that it happened, its that why didn't it happen first and for that matter, why isn't it the first thing that happens in EVERY battle.
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I think that when youre IN hyperspace, you don't hit stuff, like youre operating outside of normal space physics. its the jump phase of accelerating to hyper speed that you can collide. that's what I think.
you could have a hyperspace tomahawk missile that exits hyperspace right into an enemy ship.
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you probably hate idris elba too you big jerk
take it back, you know I would never
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Arcing cannonball shots from the big ship. Come on.............
somebody defend this.
nobody dares
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I really did like how they killed snoke just like whatever and then spent the rest of the time fighting his minions. good twist.
its like if you killed king koopa on the first level of Mario and then spend the rest of the game jumping on mushroom heads and turtle men
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next up: the foiled cloaked transport escape
SIR, BENICIO DEL TORO TOLD US THE TRANSPORTS WERE CLOAKED SO WE DECIDED TO RUN A SCAN FOR CLOAKED SHIPS AND SURE NUFF THEY WERE RIGHT THERE!
like, where would we be if running a scan for cloaked ships was, like, SOP?
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I think that when youre IN hyperspace, you don't hit stuff, like youre operating outside of normal space physics. its the jump phase of accelerating to hyper speed that you can collide. that's what I think.
you could have a hyperspace tomahawk missile that exits hyperspace right into an enemy ship.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcX8mDRIhYE[/youtube]
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For the sake of Christmas, I implore you cynical bastards to SUSPEND YOUR DISBELIEFS and enjoy a pretty decent, if overly long sci fi movie.
And arcing cannonballs are cool AF. :Woohoo:
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It is hard to suspend your belief when we are talking about real life stuff here.
FYI, in case you want to join the Jedi religion.
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/jedi-religion-thousands-of-people-all-over-the-world-are-converting-to-jediism
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I personally love this movie. I thought it was better than Rogue one and TFA. But that's just me.
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It was def not better than Rogue one but it was fine.
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I think that when youre IN hyperspace, you don't hit stuff, like youre operating outside of normal space physics. its the jump phase of accelerating to hyper speed that you can collide. that's what I think.
you could have a hyperspace tomahawk missile that exits hyperspace right into an enemy ship.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcX8mDRIhYE[/youtube]
Beat me to it - and with video!
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I like these new movies better than the original trilogy. And I say that as as someone who grew up with the originals as a kid. The acting is better. The effects are better. The stories are at least comparable (often because it is blatantly copied). Rogue One is my favorite just because it was different, it segued so perfectly into Ep IV, and you finally got to briefly see Vader be a total badass.
I still love the originals, but they're more nostalgic than exciting for me now.
The biggest problem with Force Awakens is how blatantly they copied Epi IV. The biggest problem with Last Jedi is how f'ing dumb and riddled with plot holes the whole middle part of that movie was. Just being honest. I still liked it overall, but not sure I'll take my kids to see it in theater because I just don't want to sit through another hour of purple haired Laura Dern, Finn and Rando Asian Chick, and Ocean's 11 to get to the good stuff.
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DNR this thread to now but here is mine and 4 year old sd review:
It was just ok
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I like these new movies better than the original trilogy. And I say that as as someone who grew up with the originals as a kid. The acting is better. The effects are better. The stories are at least comparable (often because it is blatantly copied). Rogue One is my favorite just because it was different, it segued so perfectly into Ep IV, and you finally got to briefly see Vader be a total badass.
I still love the originals, but they're more nostalgic than exciting for me now.
The biggest problem with Force Awakens is how blatantly they copied Epi IV. The biggest problem with Last Jedi is how f'ing dumb and riddled with plot holes the whole middle part of that movie was. Just being honest. I still liked it overall, but not sure I'll take my kids to see it in theater because I just don't want to sit through another hour of purple haired Laura Dern, Finn and Rando Asian Chick, and Ocean's 11 to get to the good stuff.
You don't need nostalgia to know how kickass Empires Strikes Back is, or that there is a lot of good in the original (even if it's overly copies by many successors). But yes, these newer ones are better than the prequel drivel and it isn't close. I also liked Rogue One a lot, though it was kinda like Revenge of the Sith in that you kinda knew everything that was going to happen. That being said, the execution of the movie and the entire last 1/3 of the movie, topped off by Vader's badassery makes it pretty damn good
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This movie was very meh and closer to terrible than good. The “well it’s not as bad as the prequels so it’s alright” crowd sounds a lot like the “k-state football was terrible before snyder so it could be worse” crowd.
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I'll accept that but you go ahead and watch a 1983 cats game and then I'll rewatch episode 1
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Arcing cannonball shots from the big ship. Come on.............
somebody defend this.
nobody dares
i mostly just assume none of the stuff that happens is irl and watch the stupid make believe alien people movie
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puni's ideal sci fi movie: basically just watching an elon musk documentary and never leaving the solar system
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Alright, so I finally saw it today and am caught up on this thread. I have many opinions on gravity, hyperspace travel, family origins, space war tactics and others. I will get to them eventually when I have more time.
HOWEVER one thing that hasn’t been brought up yet is BB8. Now in TFO he can do some stuff. In this movie tho he literally can do anything. Fix a leaky circuit? Sure, let me just create 6 robot fingers to stop circuits from sparking? Then just slam my head into the panel for missiles to fire?
Let me steal a random ship and fly it? Let me roll on into an AT-ST and drive it? Let me have a casino chip cannon with a 100 chip clip? Let me roll around in a rectangle droid shell at full speed and ram into any and everything and be fine?
BB8 is awesome and all but if he can do all that just create a rough ridin' army of them and let them kamikaze any unwanted ship with hyperdrive down to a millimeter precision. eff drones, just create the do-it-all BB8.
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R2 did all that stuff too
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Uhh excuse me?
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I’ve known all along you aren’t the “thinking” type but that comment just cements it
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Alright, so I finally saw it today and am caught up on this thread. I have many opinions on gravity, hyperspace travel, family origins, space war tactics and others. I will get to them eventually when I have more time.
HOWEVER one thing that hasn’t been brought up yet is BB8. Now in TFO he can do some stuff. In this movie tho he literally can do anything. Fix a leaky circuit? Sure, let me just create 6 robot fingers to stop circuits from sparking? Then just slam my head into the panel for missiles to fire?
Let me steal a random ship and fly it? Let me roll on into an AT-ST and drive it? Let me have a casino chip cannon with a 100 chip clip? Let me roll around in a rectangle droid shell at full speed and ram into any and everything and be fine?
BB8 is awesome and all but if he can do all that just create a rough ridin' army of them and let them kamikaze any unwanted ship with hyperdrive down to a millimeter precision. eff drones, just create the do-it-all BB8.
Would watch alternate universe, Disney short of BB-8 attacking a planet held up by by First Order BB-8s
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I finally got around to seeing this over the weekend and honestly it was a bit of a disappointment. I left the theater thinking "WTF did I just watch", pretty much the same feeling I had trudging out of the theater after Phantom Menace.
Luke milked a space cow.
Leia floating through space was ridiculous.
Hux looked like 90's era Denis Leary which in hindsight would be pretty awesome.
I liked Benicio's character
Highly advanced space bombers actually make bombing runs just like an old B-25
I'm with puni on the arcing space cannon shots. It looked cool though?
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so there are "jedis" with magical powers and crap? faster than light travel? gravity on ships? air doesn't escape the holds when the door is open? wtf. no thanks. my brain can't make sense of that and I'm going to pass.
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so there are "jedis" with magical powers and crap? faster than light travel? gravity on ships? air doesn't escape the holds when the door is open? wtf. no thanks. my brain can't make sense of that and I'm going to pass.
listen there is some kind of energy field that holds in the atmospheric pressure
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that energy also bends cannon balls and bombs and warp drive kamikaze runs idiot
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The planet they were running to had gravity that bent the cannonball arcs!
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The planet they were running to had gravity that bent the cannonball arcs!
good point scientist rusty. let's keep the faith alive for this thing and not be idiots who can't deal.
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that energy also bends cannon balls and bombs and warp drive kamikaze runs idiot
bantha pudu
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Awful
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I saw this again last night with my daughter at the IMAX. This movie did not improve with a second viewing. I think she dislikes it more than I do.
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I somewhat enjoyed the first screening. Now mrs kcfd wants to go and I am dreading it. Don’t know if I can sit through 2 hours of slow motion space chase again
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I somewhat enjoyed the first screening. Now mrs kcfd wants to go and I am dreading it. Don’t know if I can sit through 2 hours of slow motion space chase again
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These are my throughta exactly. My kids want to see it but that middle 90 minutes or so is just so stupid and slow.
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sd hot takes:
poe should probably be shoved out an air lock (with no energy field or whatever) for trying to take over the ship and by doing so basically almost getting everyone killed. I like poe tho so maybe not. also I was very sad when his whip got exploded by kylo ren's elite fighter piloting. his initial scene where he was super hero badass was probably my favorite scene no matter how ridiculous it was.
r2d2 and c3p0 are now just like crappy side actor people who suck. feel bad for them.
kylo ren is a good actor. I like him as a character as well. I'm excited for him eventually saving the day. also super hot with no shirt which I'm glad they found a way to include. he was way more emo last movie and sucked.
rey is great. her actress is probably the best actress of all of the people.
finn is an unbelievable fuckup. get it together finn. good grief.
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Who is ren SD?
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I really don't understand what value Finn and Rose added in general
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I really don't understand what value Finn and Rose added in general
Token
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A top three Star Wars movie. (ESB and Rogue One.)
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I saw it twice. I liked it both times.
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Saw it recently and it is my fav Star Wars movie since the original trilogy. Rogue One is up there too.
I liked the humor. I liked that Rey's parents are nobodies. That could change in the last movie but I think it's a great part of the plot. Between that, Luke's talk on the force, and the kid at the end, I think they are trying to make the force accessible to anybody. I like that. I thought the plot was pretty good minus a few holes. I'm enjoying how each one of the new movies is a death of the original protagonists.
Negatives: As his been covered here, the tracking was poorly explained. Should have just used Leia's beacon. Leia's space flight was weak. Luke milking the creatures was a little weird and unnecessary. Benicio ratting on them was fine but why weren't the baddies going to check for cloaked ships? Also, why wasn't Dern going to hyperdrive that space ship into them the whole time? She's basically committing suicide either way.
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maybe the bombs are electromagnets? When the button was pushed they release and go to the largest metal object? Don't know but also could explain the curve/arching bombs? Probably not just me brainstorming here.
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Rose is the worst character in star wars. worse than jar jar.
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well, if you are made the love interest of stupid finn you don't have a very high ceiling
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Yes - We will always have the Jar-Jar as Sith angle to make his appearances tolerable. Don't see that ever happening with Rose.
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get ready for the BOMBshell:
ROSE IS LUKE SKYWALKERS DAUGHTER
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get ready for the BOMBshell:
ROSE IS LUKE SKYWALKERS DAUGHTER
Does that bomb fall through space to a dreadnaught cruiser?
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get ready for the BOMBshell:
ROSE IS LUKE SKYWALKERS DAUGHTER
Does that bomb fall through space to a dreadnaught cruiser?
no because the dreadnaught was obviously armed with hyperspace tomahawk missiles that vaporized the bomber from 120,000 km away
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https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/953748317804027904