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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #325 on: December 05, 2017, 05:50:39 PM »
wait, venables should look at frost as a blueprint on how to build a career?  come the eff on, son.  frost is still an unknown and it's yet to be seen how it plays out now that he's in lincoln.
i'd take TBV's career over frost's

Brent clearly had a much better career arc than Frost, well until now. Is there a job in America, including K-State, that would hire Brent over Scott? That was all because of two years running a group of 5 program, something apparently Brent is unwilling to do, which is totally fine but it certainly has led to him being passed in prestige by several of his peers.

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #326 on: December 05, 2017, 05:53:30 PM »
I dunno, it just seems like this dude doesn't really want to be bothered.

this makes him seem perfect for KSU! :excited:

also LOL at not grasping why an agent might float interest toward a job their client might not take. good grief.

Rusty, goodness man. Please tell me the benefit of Brent seemingly spending 15+ years as candidates for jobs but not getting them. I'd certainly love to see how this squares with the narrative that he could get one of these jobs if he wants one. Consistently being a bridesmaid for these jobs indicates the exact opposite that he could get one of these jobs, similar to K-State.

um why do you think Mike Gundy's agent has him flirting with every realistic opening every offseason? Maybe to get more money? (Note that I'm assuming BV turns down some jobs, and isn't the "bridesmaid" for all of them)

*it's to get more money for their client

and yes you can make the argument that by not taking a G5 school hurts his bottom line even more

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #327 on: December 05, 2017, 05:59:04 PM »
Venables is wise beyond his years IMO. Most people could use the same kind of clarity with their careers. I have no doubt Venables would be offered and would take a HC job if he felt he had all the resources he needed AND would not get forced out by year 3 or 5 if he’s not winning 10 games or conference championships. It makes complete sense not to want to leave a $1 million+ per year job where you’re doing what you love without the bureaucratic BS and constant scrutiny.

It would be easier for him to get this if he took a job like UCF. If, in fact, Venables wants to be a head coach, he should look at someone like Scott Frost and Willie Taggart as to how to build a career. Both of those guys were playing when Brent was coaching, they took coordinator positions, turned them into very good group of 5 jobs, did well with them to get great, high paying P5 jobs. These guys went from the field to jobs at Nebraska and Florida State while Brent has been a defensive coordinator.

An argument made frequently against Sean is that he shouldn't get the K-State job if it's the only one he can get. That's a fair criticism but it should be equally applied. I'm sorry but it appears as if K-State is the absolute ceiling of job that Brent is getting and I view his unwillingness to take a job ready made for success, like UCF, a giant red flag.

good points, but do you really believe Venables couldn't get a job like USF or UCF or Toledo or Akron? (I realize those 4 jobs aren't equal). Is anyone asking Sean if he's a candidate at Arkansas?

No no, I think he can, that's the issue for me. He can't get an offer at a decent P5 but he won't take a good group of 5 job. He's been a coordinator for 20 seasons, it's quite clear his shortest path to getting a good P5 job is having one damn decent season at a group of 5. I'm okay with him getting the K-State job, because like I have said we're getting someone with warts regardless. It's just interesting to me that K-Staters are competent okay with his either:
1. Inability to get an equivalent job
2. Lack of motivation to be a head coach
3. Unwillingness to show he's capable of overcoming his perceived shortcomings by taking a decent job.
The rationalization is fascinating to me, that's all.

I think his easiest (not shortest) path to a "decent" P5 is waiting out Bill. Same as Sean!

And I think the fact that he's now the highest paid assistant makes his situation pretty unique - he won't make more money at a G6 school, but he'll be taking a lot of risk. And I get why his aversion to that risk is sort of a red flag.

He isn't the highest paid assistant, Dave Arranda is. There are 13 group of five coaches that make more than Brent does. Coaches at Louisiana-Lafayette, Utah State, and Texas San Antonio make slightly less. This isn't about money.

I dunno, it just seems like this dude doesn't really want to be bothered.

this makes him seem perfect for KSU! :excited:

also LOL at not grasping why an agent might float interest toward a job their client might not take. good grief.

Rusty, goodness man. Please tell me the benefit of Brent seemingly spending 15+ years as candidates for jobs but not getting them. I'd certainly love to see how this squares with the narrative that he could get one of these jobs if he wants one. Consistently being a bridesmaid for these jobs indicates the exact opposite that he could get one of these jobs, similar to K-State.

um why do you think Mike Gundy's agent has him flirting with every realistic opening every offseason? Maybe to get more money? (Note that I'm assuming BV turns down some jobs, and isn't the "bridesmaid" for all of them)

*it's to get more money for their client

and yes you can make the argument that by not taking a G6 school hurts his bottom line even more

That doesn't work for assistants, and you know that too. This last off-season was his first raise since he got to Clemson, the entire staff got raises.

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #328 on: December 05, 2017, 06:04:59 PM »
Ah I was looking at last year's salaries: http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/assistant

And while it might not make a difference in his assistant salary, being in the mix at places like UT and Arkansas and turning down jobs like FAU or UCF will absolutely increase his value if/when he decides to accept a head coaching job.

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #329 on: December 05, 2017, 06:12:36 PM »
No idea how that works, we'll see I guess.

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #330 on: December 06, 2017, 10:26:30 AM »

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #331 on: December 06, 2017, 10:33:03 AM »
Would the media explode if snyder retired after the bowl game?

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« Reply #332 on: December 06, 2017, 12:23:57 PM »
Would the media explode if snyder retired after the bowl game?

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no, it would hardly register in the media as the playoff would be less than a week away.

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #333 on: December 06, 2017, 04:27:31 PM »
Dana Dimel to UTEP  :D
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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #334 on: December 06, 2017, 04:31:09 PM »
whoa

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #335 on: December 06, 2017, 04:31:45 PM »
Forced the eff out!
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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #336 on: December 06, 2017, 04:34:08 PM »
Fricken Sweat!! :Woohoo: :driving: :Woot:
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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #337 on: December 06, 2017, 04:35:00 PM »
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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #338 on: December 06, 2017, 04:35:10 PM »
Bob Stoops, want a low stress job?

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #339 on: December 06, 2017, 04:35:49 PM »
Dana Dimel to UTEP  :D
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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #340 on: December 06, 2017, 04:36:36 PM »
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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #341 on: December 06, 2017, 04:41:15 PM »
:surprised:

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #342 on: December 06, 2017, 04:41:23 PM »
This means Bill is retiring, right?

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #343 on: December 06, 2017, 04:43:31 PM »
It means Sean just whipped his massive male genitals out and Dana landed on the Mexican border
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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #344 on: December 06, 2017, 04:50:26 PM »
Sean HCIW. :bang:

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #346 on: December 06, 2017, 04:51:19 PM »
sounds like Riley is well coached in the gpc ways

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #347 on: December 06, 2017, 04:58:31 PM »
Guys!  :Woohoo:

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #348 on: December 06, 2017, 05:00:54 PM »
wonder if any coaches go with him?  reset button if you think Bill is leaving soon or don't want to work for Sean.  only options are obviousley Klein, Seiler, Coleman.

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Re: Official 2017 Coaching Carousel (football edition)
« Reply #349 on: December 06, 2017, 05:04:19 PM »
Dana Dimel to UTEP  :D
:sdeek: what does the family fullback do?

Transfer to OU. Didn’t you read the definitive rumor thread?