The Trump Presidency

[sonofdaxjones]

I always appreciate how #blueanongE just skips over some important stuff.

Boeing cannot deliver on what they were contracted to do . . . 6 years ago.

The current AF1 fleet is nearly 40 years old.  Boeing hasn't built a net new 747 for 3 years.  I believe the requirement is for a 4 engine jet. For those that are interested, for such a huge plane, AF1 is very fast,  during 9-11 escorting, the F-16 escorts were guzzling gas trying to keep up. 

As I mentioned (and the audience will note that when "experts say" affirms what hyperpartisan derp ass #blueanongE holds to be true, they are all over it like Weird Robert at a brats-burgers-dogs and bean salad tailgate) . . . one school of thought is that the 747-8 will be too expensive to modify and another school of thought (so this is the school of thought that #blueanongE will completely ignore, in case the intelligent audience viewing this blog needed to know) is that the plane will lessons Boeing's fixed cost contract losses and help them save at least a little credibility.   Viewers of this blog will note that the words in italics are what discussing both sides of an issue looks like. You don't get a lot of that from #blueanongE. 

Also, as mentioned, I've read in multiple places that the deal is not 100% done. 

[CNS]

So, the 40 year old plane works right now?

[star seed 7]

So, the 40 year old plane works right now?

Yes, and there's two of them.

[Stupid Fitz]

So, the 40 year old plane works right now?

Yes, and there's two of them.

Yep, this is nothing more than the old "man of the people", thinking his plane should be the newest bestist fastest goldest plane ever.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

So, the 40 year old plane works right now?

Yes, and there's two of them.

Yep, this is nothing more than the old "man of the people", thinking his plane should be the newest bestist fastest goldest plane ever.

The old "DOGE for thee, not for me" thing, I guess.

[CNS]

So, the 40 year old plane works right now?

Yes, and there's two of them.

This can't be right.  It would be fiscally nonsensical if this was the case and we were taking the high risks that come with a gift plane from a Middle Eastern country.

[SleepFighter]

Oh hey, it looks like maybe the Qataris were looking to clean out the garage.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2025/05/14/qatar-747-trump/

[Stupid Fitz]

Oh hey, it looks like maybe the Qataris were looking to clean out the garage.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2025/05/14/qatar-747-trump/

"if only we could find a mark to dump this thing on??? Is it possible there is someone out there so easily manipulated and would/could actually accept an entire airplane"????

[chum1]

One man's trash

[cfbandyman]

Oh hey, it looks like maybe the Qataris were looking to clean out the garage.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeremybogaisky/2025/05/14/qatar-747-trump/

Aerospace experts aren’t so sure. The plane would need to be stripped down and swept for bugs. Then, unless the administration is willing to accept the risks of lighter security, it would need to be built up to the Air Force’s requirements to serve as an airborne command center, with encrypted communications systems, shielding to protect the electronics from the effects of a nuclear blast and defenses against missiles. That’s a process that Boeing, despite all its delays, is years down the road already with the two planes it began work on in 2018 during Trump’s first term.

It would take at least five years starting again from scratch, Aboulafia estimates, unless security requirements were relaxed.

“I can't imagine any well-trained senior Air Force officer saying this is a good idea,” he said. Democrats and some Republicans are also alarmed over the ethics of accepting such an expensive gift from a foreign country.

Oh look at me being right. so now we get a plane that literally isn't any more than a giant boondoggle

[SleepFighter]

"We" don't get anything. Trump "library" gets a plane.

[sonofdaxjones]

“The two 747-200s that serve as Air Force One now — depending on when the president is on board — are more than 30 years old and were meant to be phased out of service years ago.” . . . The New York Times

Non derps will recognize that Boeing has had 2 747-8’s in its possession to retrofit into AF1 aka VC-25  for nearly 8 years. 

An intelligent person (so that excludes #blueanongE) would ask why can’t the company that built the plane and is a massive defense contractor get this project done? Why is it going to take up to 11 years to refit two planes that already existed when Boeing took possession of them?


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[sonofdaxjones]

Being an intelligent and fair minded person (unlike #blueanongE). I think we should revisit the awarding of the 6th gen fighter to Boeing.

They’re a total mess.



 


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[CNS]

Who GAF about anything to do with Boeing?  We have two fully functional AF1’s. Redundancy even.

Thanks Qatar, but we’re good without your strings.

[Trim]

AF1 planes.... How far have you went before getting a new one?

[MadCat]

Maybe Ukraine and Finland should gift AF1s of their own.

[star seed 7]

I wonder if trump canceling the af1 orders during 1.0 and then saying he was only going to pay half price added any delay for Boeing?

[Dugout DickStone]

So, the 40 year old plane works right now?

Yes, and there's two of them.

This can't be right.  It would be fiscally nonsensical if this was the case and we were taking the high risks that come with a gift plane from a Middle Eastern country.

Hamas has been into the gift giving mood for a very long time

[sonofdaxjones]

Who GAF about anything to do with Boeing?  We have two fully functional AF1’s. Redundancy even.

Thanks Qatar, but we’re good without your strings.

Please link to these "strings"

Smells like we've got another insane #blueanon conspiracy brewing

The last few have been all time classics

The best part of the last couple of days is Hillary chiming in and the receipts came pouring down like manna from the heavens above.

[wetwillie]

You can't be serious

[LickNeckey]

Who GAF about anything to do with Boeing?  We have two fully functional AF1’s. Redundancy even.

Thanks Qatar, but we’re good without your strings.

Please link to these "strings"

Smells like we've got another insane #blueanon conspiracy brewing

The last few have been all time classics

The best part of the last couple of days is Hillary chiming in and the receipts came pouring down like manna from the heavens above.

 

wtf

[BIG APPLE CAT]

Who GAF about anything to do with Boeing?  We have two fully functional AF1’s. Redundancy even.

Thanks Qatar, but we’re good without your strings.

Please link to these "strings"

Smells like we've got another insane #blueanon conspiracy brewing

The last few have been all time classics

The best part of the last couple of days is Hillary chiming in and the receipts came pouring down like manna from the heavens above.

Ok for once I actually have to agree with Dax. Trump has not now nor has he ever demonstrated that he is a purely transactional man, that his favor is absolutely for sale to any and all bidders, and that he will unscrupulously do whatever you tell him to if the price is right. The man simply cannot be bought. So the rest of you shut up you sounds like tin foil hat wearing idiots

[Cire]

I can sort of understand a "no abortions past conception" argument if you also are against birth control. Both terminate humans that otherwise would have existed.

uh.  literally no

yeah, like how far do we go with this? There are going to be a lot of nervous teenage (and adult!!!) males out there that will be pretty nervous if we keep scooting this one back.

I mean.  Do you know how this stuff works? Sperm, egg…that whole thing?

I’m not trying to be condescending, but you do understand the significant difference between a sperm and a fertilized egg, right?

In terms of how much I am supposed to care about it dying? No, I don't really see much difference. Neither has any thoughts, feels any pain, or has any understanding that it exists. Give that fertilized egg a few months to grow, and I start to see the difference. I don't see much difference within the window for a medication abortion, though.

I'm just saying that the stance the Catholic church used to take (maybe still takes?) on contraception is consistent with their stance on abortion. If you believe that God knows us before we are even born, and that is proof that the unborn have just as much value as the born, then it makes logical sense that God also knew all of those children whose pregnancies were prevented.

To be clear, I don't advocate for restrictions on abortion or contraception.

That's fine.  "Human life" is pretty widely regarded to begin at fertilization though, so that's why the distinction exists between sperm and embryo.

You're also confused on the rationales for the Church's views on contraception and abortion.  I can explain the rationales for each if you're interested, but you've got the contraception rationale really screwed up.  It's not because God knows all of those children whose pregnancies were prevented.  It's something less intense and more confusing -- closer to "sex with contraception is a disordered use of sex.  artificially foreclosing the possibility of life to result from sex (which is the primary reason for sex) is a misuse of the gift." 

I don't expect you to accept that obviously (and I certainly don't support legislating away contraception using that or any other rationale).  But the point is, your suggestion about the Church's rationale being something like "it's bad because God knows the potential humans that may have resulted but for the contraception" isn't something I've ever heard. 

I'm sorry, his heart was still going because he was hooked up to mom still. 

According to her, most of the south, they would have sent her home with a heartbeat.

Well either way, I'm really sorry.  Can't imagine it.

https://twitter.com/attorneycrump/status/1923045976257732984?s=46&t=qihx_M5rao00w7e29gt7Rw


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[Stupid Fitz]

These poor people should just come get this food we had ready to send to them. If we just send it to them, they will never learn right guys?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-aid-cuts-leave-food-millions-mouldering-storage-2025-05-16/

[Sandstone Outcropping]

These poor people should just come get this food we had ready to send to them. If we just send it to them, they will never learn right guys?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-aid-cuts-leave-food-millions-mouldering-storage-2025-05-16/

Out: Toxic empathy
In: Performative cruelty