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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18550 on: February 03, 2025, 01:14:12 PM »
You keep repeating this good ideas from bad people thing, but what are the good ideas from Elon and trump?
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18551 on: February 03, 2025, 01:16:06 PM »
I hear many of you asking, "how can the US replace the income tax if every tariff is totally fake and we don't have the courage to collect?"  and to that I simply say, "well, maybe so!"

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18552 on: February 03, 2025, 01:16:56 PM »
Followup, at what point do these (alleged) good ideas outweigh the harm from bad people with bad ideas?
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18553 on: February 03, 2025, 01:19:35 PM »
With Mexico, seems like this could have stayed out of the public eye and resolved over the phone. Trump on the other hand has no concept of diplomacy and loves the drama. Worrisome but not a surprise.

Why? 
Mexico just proved he’s all talk.  They aren’t changing a single thing at the border and laughing about the cave

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18554 on: February 03, 2025, 01:23:01 PM »
Followup, at what point do these (alleged) good ideas outweigh the harm from bad people with bad ideas?

I’ve posted it a bunch of stuff in a lot of different posts so please don’t take offense when I say ugh, but but a few that come to mind are Chinese tariffs, investment in AI infrastructure, fostering an environment of open competition amongst would be AI companies, allowing access to defense contracts from startup companies, particularly within Silicon Valley, demonstrated successes in doing things at a fraction of the cost as legacy defense contractors.

And I don’t know at what point the bad stuff from the bad guys will outweigh the utility of their activities and ideas that I agree with. I suspect this very dilemma has plagued mankind since before the written word.  it’s a risk I’m willing to take….The risk being a willingness to support an idea, even though I don’t like who the idea came from.

If any one of those things go south, I’ll change my mind again. I need to be as unconcerned as possible about “ How does this make me look?”

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18555 on: February 03, 2025, 01:31:54 PM »
https://x.com/NickAdamsinUSA/status/1886484870446076348

Bootlickers are such weird rough ridin' people. I have no idea who this guy is, but it's so weird to me that they talk about "alpha male" crap all the time and then post crap like this. Fascinating really.
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« Reply #18556 on: February 03, 2025, 01:36:15 PM »
Let’s assume things mostly go well with tariffs. What does the result look like?
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18557 on: February 03, 2025, 01:39:40 PM »
Let’s assume things mostly go well with tariffs. What does the result look like?

Something very similar to this:


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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18558 on: February 03, 2025, 01:44:26 PM »
I’ve read that book many times!

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18559 on: February 03, 2025, 01:45:07 PM »
Let’s assume things mostly go well with tariffs. What does the result look like?
No need for income taxes because the treasury is stuffed with tariff revenue.
Americans buy tons of domestically produced goods and services with the money they saved on taxes.
No disruptions in the supply of goods that are essential for healthcare and national security.
High-paying manufacturing jobs for US workers.

What will actually happen:
Trump and the Broliarchs use tariffs to reward friends and punish enemies while causing painful inflation for US consumers.

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« Reply #18560 on: February 03, 2025, 01:48:53 PM »
Followup, at what point do these (alleged) good ideas outweigh the harm from bad people with bad ideas?

I’ve posted it a bunch of stuff in a lot of different posts so please don’t take offense when I say ugh, but but a few that come to mind are Chinese tariffs, investment in AI infrastructure, fostering an environment of open competition amongst would be AI companies, allowing access to defense contracts from startup companies, particularly within Silicon Valley, demonstrated successes in doing things at a fraction of the cost as legacy defense contractors.

And I don’t know at what point the bad stuff from the bad guys will outweigh the utility of their activities and ideas that I agree with. I suspect this very dilemma has plagued mankind since before the written word.  it’s a risk I’m willing to take….The risk being a willingness to support an idea, even though I don’t like who the idea came from.

If any one of those things go south, I’ll change my mind again. I need to be as unconcerned as possible about “ How does this make me look?”

Fair enough. I think you really overestimate how much people care about the person vs the idea, that's daxbot behavior. It's mostly a very deserved apprehension because they are a bad person.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18561 on: February 03, 2025, 01:50:45 PM »
https://x.com/NickAdamsinUSA/status/1886484870446076348

Bootlickers are such weird rough ridin' people. I have no idea who this guy is, but it's so weird to me that they talk about "alpha male" crap all the time and then post crap like this. Fascinating really.
not gE'ing here but many believe that Nick Adams may be a parody account.

Well crap.  :blush: embarrassing. however, in my defense, people say and post disgusting bootlicking crap like this daily (even on this very bbs), so it isn't a complete surprise that I was hooked. My apologies regardless.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18562 on: February 03, 2025, 01:53:38 PM »
Followup, at what point do these (alleged) good ideas outweigh the harm from bad people with bad ideas?

I’ve posted it a bunch of stuff in a lot of different posts so please don’t take offense when I say ugh, but but a few that come to mind are Chinese tariffs, investment in AI infrastructure, fostering an environment of open competition amongst would be AI companies, allowing access to defense contracts from startup companies, particularly within Silicon Valley, demonstrated successes in doing things at a fraction of the cost as legacy defense contractors.

And I don’t know at what point the bad stuff from the bad guys will outweigh the utility of their activities and ideas that I agree with. I suspect this very dilemma has plagued mankind since before the written word.  it’s a risk I’m willing to take….The risk being a willingness to support an idea, even though I don’t like who the idea came from.

If any one of those things go south, I’ll change my mind again. I need to be as unconcerned as possible about “ How does this make me look?”

Fair enough. I think you really overestimate how much people care about the person vs the idea, that's daxbot behavior. It's mostly a very deserved apprehension because they are a bad person.

With all due respect to you and everyone else on this blog, I think the norm here is to dismiss any idea if you don’t like the person that it came from. I think that’s how it is in most of our society. I think that the people who spend money on the media absolutely know and understand that they are fostering an environment, where we automatically reject anything from “ The other side.”

It can be a time saver, that is for sure.


I think the right thing to do is to attempt to evaluate each idea or proposal on its merit and decide whether or not going forward is it the best available option or not? I acknowledge that sometimes that’s impractical. I also acknowledge that sometimes it’s just emotionally very difficult to do. I fail on it all the time.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18563 on: February 03, 2025, 01:55:10 PM »
I’ve read that book many times!
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« Reply #18564 on: February 03, 2025, 01:59:47 PM »
https://x.com/NickAdamsinUSA/status/1886484870446076348

Bootlickers are such weird rough ridin' people. I have no idea who this guy is, but it's so weird to me that they talk about "alpha male" crap all the time and then post crap like this. Fascinating really.
not gE'ing here but many believe that Nick Adams may be a parody account.

Well crap.  :blush: embarrassing. however, in my defense, people say and post disgusting bootlicking crap like this daily (even on this very bbs), so it isn't a complete surprise that I was hooked. My apologies regardless.
I think a lot of his stuff gets reposted un-ironically.



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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18565 on: February 03, 2025, 02:26:54 PM »
Followup, at what point do these (alleged) good ideas outweigh the harm from bad people with bad ideas?

I’ve posted it a bunch of stuff in a lot of different posts so please don’t take offense when I say ugh, but but a few that come to mind are Chinese tariffs, investment in AI infrastructure, fostering an environment of open competition amongst would be AI companies, allowing access to defense contracts from startup companies, particularly within Silicon Valley, demonstrated successes in doing things at a fraction of the cost as legacy defense contractors.

And I don’t know at what point the bad stuff from the bad guys will outweigh the utility of their activities and ideas that I agree with. I suspect this very dilemma has plagued mankind since before the written word.  it’s a risk I’m willing to take….The risk being a willingness to support an idea, even though I don’t like who the idea came from.

If any one of those things go south, I’ll change my mind again. I need to be as unconcerned as possible about “ How does this make me look?”

Fair enough. I think you really overestimate how much people care about the person vs the idea, that's daxbot behavior. It's mostly a very deserved apprehension because they are a bad person.

With all due respect to you and everyone else on this blog, I think the norm here is to dismiss any idea if you don’t like the person that it came from. I think that’s how it is in most of our society. I think that the people who spend money on the media absolutely know and understand that they are fostering an environment, where we automatically reject anything from “ The other side.”

It can be a time saver, that is for sure.


I think the right thing to do is to attempt to evaluate each idea or proposal on its merit and decide whether or not going forward is it the best available option or not? I acknowledge that sometimes that’s impractical. I also acknowledge that sometimes it’s just emotionally very difficult to do. I fail on it all the time.

OK, I'll try to respond, but I'm an idiot so bear with me. I somewhat agree with you about the media part, but that is greed and not ideology.  As far as individuals I think it's much more complicated. There is so many issues that no reasonable person can be expected to be knowledgeable about them all (as an example, see how ridiculous dax looks pretending to be an expert on everything). The issues I care the most about line up pretty well, at least pragmaticly, with the demoncraps. The issues that I don't care about or have a low knowledge of I tend to just defer to the knowledgeable. One example, trump 1.0 made a huge campaign promise for paid maternal leave. I 100% support this and did not care about the shithead proposing it. Sadly it was just campaign talk and nothing materialized as would be expected from a shithead.

I think it's absolutely absurd how Trump treats our allies, this has been a consistent demeanor for a decade. Instinctually I am against tariffs on Canada and Mexico. China is a different story, I don't mind playing tougher against them, and without knowledge or details I'm more open to it but with heavy scepticism based on trump being a shithead.

Now, that's a lot about me so maybe I'm just special but I don't think that's the case.
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18566 on: February 03, 2025, 02:32:42 PM »
To add to this, I was much less concerned about Romney's motivations than Trump and Elon. When you brand yourself as a proud shithead you naturally lose a lot of good will towards your ideas.
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« Reply #18567 on: February 03, 2025, 02:35:11 PM »
Is a country really an ally if they cede entire swaths of their country to criminal enterprises (drugs, human trafficking, kidnapping etc. etc.) and let them do whatever they want at the border with our country?

Pretty shitty ally if you ask me . . .


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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18568 on: February 03, 2025, 03:04:28 PM »
Shoot first ask questions never!!!

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« Reply #18569 on: February 03, 2025, 03:06:46 PM »
"reports" . . . . "almost" . . .  :lol: :lol:

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« Reply #18570 on: February 03, 2025, 03:37:31 PM »
What  does the American consumer really need that can’t be produced and supplied domestically? I’m talking wants not needs.

I mean, I’m pretty sure I’m against tariffs on principle, but if they work as intended, why is that a problem for Americans?

Let foreign goods become what they have always been historically; luxuries. Want something foreign and exotic, you’ll probably pay more.

I don’t see how more stuff made in the US, by US workers and companies is bad for US citizens.

I don’t see a problem with saying “we don’t need your stuff. We’ve got our own.”
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« Reply #18571 on: February 03, 2025, 03:44:01 PM »
The concept is to drive foreign brands to open facilities in the United States and produce items here.

Given that the previous administration absolutely decimated Western Europe's industrial base, particularly Germany . . . I can understand how they'd be sensitive to this topic.


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« Reply #18572 on: February 03, 2025, 03:54:57 PM »
Shoot first ask questions never!!!

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« Reply #18573 on: February 03, 2025, 04:05:42 PM »
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« Reply #18574 on: February 03, 2025, 04:11:43 PM »
Shoot first ask questions never!!!

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