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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18425 on: February 01, 2025, 06:32:14 PM »
It seems like sin doesn’t matter at all as long as you shrug, say “we are all sinners”, and then say you are trying to sin less.

We should just set up abortion clinics with an SOP that requires that mantra post abortion.

My sin doesn't matter. Yours does.

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« Reply #18426 on: February 01, 2025, 06:42:07 PM »
If that's what you gotta tell yourself, that's great. But there are plenty of times where Jesus gives advice to others and it is taught as if it was said to all believers. I just want to say I have a hard time believe that if the God of the Bible exists, that God would tell anyone to spend money on themselves, keep a bunch in savings (a la the story about manna), but that's what I see by every believer.

Ultimately, to declare that this world is secondary to you, then SURELY you agree giving away all possessions is the best way to get rewarded in Heaven,
which is your primary concern, no?

Yeah, Jesus had a pretty strong "take care of people today, God will provide for you tomorrow" message.

I paid very little attention in Sunday school and church but even I picked up this is kind of the main thing.  If you’re taking the family to the Bahamas you aren’t doing it like the Bible would.  It’s fine you can just admit you’re looking out for your soul but not really living like Jesus would and specifically rejecting his key teachings. 

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« Reply #18427 on: February 01, 2025, 07:05:10 PM »
If that's what you gotta tell yourself, that's great. But there are plenty of times where Jesus gives advice to others and it is taught as if it was said to all believers. I just want to say I have a hard time believe that if the God of the Bible exists, that God would tell anyone to spend money on themselves, keep a bunch in savings (a la the story about manna), but that's what I see by every believer.

Ultimately, to declare that this world is secondary to you, then SURELY you agree giving away all possessions is the best way to get rewarded in Heaven,
which is your primary concern, no?

Yeah, Jesus had a pretty strong "take care of people today, God will provide for you tomorrow" message.

I paid very little attention in Sunday school and church but even I picked up this is kind of the main thing.  If you’re taking the family to the Bahamas you aren’t doing it like the Bible would.  It’s fine you can just admit you’re looking out for your soul but not really living like Jesus would and specifically rejecting his key teachings.

Explain Genesis 41 to me then in terms of you all's insistence that you only "take care of people today, God will provide for you tomorrow."

Is any kind of vacation ok? Even God rested for a day and Christ rested away from people.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18428 on: February 01, 2025, 07:17:22 PM »
I'm sure Jesus would be very happy about our imminent conflict with Canada.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18429 on: February 01, 2025, 07:23:46 PM »
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I could do with less mythology talk and more focus on this very disturbing accusation (that is occurring in the real world)
I know right. This is just top notch MAGA unfolding right here. rough ridin' insane crap is happening right now and people in this very thread are talking about interpretations of books about sky wizards. MAGA and current republicans are amazing at redirecting people while picking their pockets. Lots don’t know because they are rough ridin' morons, but an insane amount of them don’t even care that it’s happening because “hey, look over there”.


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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18430 on: February 01, 2025, 08:10:58 PM »
The real power brokers aren’t religious, but know religion is very useful.  For example, a number of experts citing various studies have said that religious participation does lead to higher reported happiness.

On balance, it’s probably more useful than not for a large complex society.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18431 on: February 01, 2025, 08:15:05 PM »
So these 25% tariffs from Canada and Mexico are really happening now?
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18432 on: February 01, 2025, 08:16:16 PM »

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« Reply #18433 on: February 01, 2025, 08:18:19 PM »
If this doesn’t get revealed to be bluster it’s going to eff us so bad.

Come on heart attack.

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« Reply #18434 on: February 01, 2025, 08:29:56 PM »
If this doesn’t get revealed to be bluster it’s going to eff us so bad.

Come on heart attack.

It's going to be a massive pain in my ass professionally on the Canada side
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18435 on: February 01, 2025, 08:43:31 PM »
People are literally working to back up the rough ridin' internet on their own because these assholes hate everyone other than straight white people so much they don’t even want them mentioned in writing. It’s literally 1984 crap.


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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18436 on: February 01, 2025, 08:50:08 PM »
If this doesn’t get revealed to be bluster it’s going to eff us so bad.

Come on heart attack.

It's going to be a massive pain in my ass professionally on the Canada side
I’m guessing it’s a negotiation tactic to try and get something from Canada. I bet the tariff doesn’t last long.

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« Reply #18437 on: February 01, 2025, 08:51:57 PM »
This is amazing.




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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18438 on: February 01, 2025, 08:55:48 PM »
If this doesn’t get revealed to be bluster it’s going to eff us so bad.

Come on heart attack.

It's going to be a massive pain in my ass professionally on the Canada side
I’m guessing it’s a negotiation tactic to try and get something from Canada. I bet the tariff doesn’t last long.


Is long measured in days, weeks or months?
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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18439 on: February 01, 2025, 09:17:06 PM »
If this doesn’t get revealed to be bluster it’s going to eff us so bad.

Come on heart attack.

It's going to be a massive pain in my ass professionally on the Canada side
I’m guessing it’s a negotiation tactic to try and get something from Canada. I bet the tariff doesn’t last long.


Is long measured in days, weeks or months?
I’d guess less than months.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18440 on: February 01, 2025, 09:23:07 PM »
If this doesn’t get revealed to be bluster it’s going to eff us so bad.

Come on heart attack.

It's going to be a massive pain in my ass professionally on the Canada side
I’m guessing it’s a negotiation tactic to try and get something from Canada. I bet the tariff doesn’t last long.

What are we trying to get from them?

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18441 on: February 01, 2025, 10:24:15 PM »
Type the stuff Trump and musk have done into ChatGPT and ask it what is likely the motives and outcomes. See what it says. I really suggest any trump voters or skeptics do this.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18442 on: February 01, 2025, 10:24:53 PM »
It's a plan to make up lost revenue from lowering taxes.  It's a hidden tax his idiot supporters won't recognize. It'll be around as long as Trump has control of the Republican party.

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« Reply #18443 on: February 02, 2025, 12:57:40 AM »
If this doesn’t get revealed to be bluster it’s going to eff us so bad.

Come on heart attack.

It's going to be a massive pain in my ass professionally on the Canada side
I’m guessing it’s a negotiation tactic to try and get something from Canada. I bet the tariff doesn’t last long.

What are we trying to get from them?

It's becoming more and more apparent that Pete voted for Trump and is still reaching for reasons why.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18444 on: February 02, 2025, 06:44:04 AM »
If this doesn’t get revealed to be bluster it’s going to eff us so bad.

Come on heart attack.

It's going to be a massive pain in my ass professionally on the Canada side
I’m guessing it’s a negotiation tactic to try and get something from Canada. I bet the tariff doesn’t last long.

What are we trying to get from them?

It's becoming more and more apparent that Pete voted for Trump and is still reaching for reasons why.
I didn’t vote for Trump, and have only ever voted for democrats for president, senate and House of Representatives.

I think Trump’s tariffs are a strong arm tactic to gain concessions from trading partners. It’s bullying. I don’t approve of it. I do, however acknowledge that it can be effective in the short term to drive change on specific policies. For example, the mere threat of a tariff changed Columbia’s stance on accepting deportees very quickly.



I refuse to wholesale support whatever the democrats come up with anymore. I have done that for 32 years. I am done with it. They have violated my trust. Going forward, I will pick and choose the issues that I support based on my own judgment and not the propaganda of a given party.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18445 on: February 02, 2025, 07:05:52 AM »
A number of you have accused me of being a Trump guy or Rogan guy or (insert whatever right wing name you find offensive) guy. Three things have impacted my political opinions enormously over the last 8 years.

1. The national debt:  Our national debt is very close to the point interest payments will exceed our revenue. This could easily lead to an Argentinian style hyper inflationary mess. This is very very dangerous. Cuts must be made to spending, AND taxes must be increased.  Spending cuts are more effective than taxes, but both are necessary.  I believe the democrats to be too weak to make spending cuts…they are incapable of making tough decisions…too fearful of scorn from very small groups.

2. Risk from international enemies: Russia’s invasion of Ukraine shook me up. For a very long time I personally laughed at the idea that large countries would engage in wars of conquest. I thought that time was behind us as a species. I was wrong. The world is more dangerous than it has ever been. With resources coming under increased contention and changes occurring rapidly to our planet environment, nations are acting more and more out of self interest in very aggressive ways. We need to continue to have a strong defense and take no steps backward and the quality and effectiveness of our defense however, because of our need to cut costs, we need to do this in new ways that cost much less than the legacy defense contractors, the old guard of both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are 100% in bed with legacy defense contractors. The military industrial complex is currently in place though there are some who are making dents in it Elon Musk and other tech leaders have demonstrated that they can produce results and a fraction of the cost of the legacy defense contractors. We need vastly more of this. This is very scary to the legacy defense contractors who have run this country since Eisenhower’s warnings years ago…. The legacy defense contractors will fight this with everything that they have the Democrat Democrats do not have the spine to fight them and the legacy Republicans are bought and paid for by them already. We need new thinking in this area.

3. Risk of AI: I believe that we cannot stop AI from advancing. The recent Chinese Deep Seek advancements demonstrate this.  My belief is that eventually whoever controls the alignment of AI will control all within domain of a given AI. I do not like this.  I accept this. I want the “controller” to be the United States of America (and its corporations) rather than China, Russia, etc.  America’s comparative advantage over our foes is our vigorous market economy. In order for us to win, we need to lean on our comparative advantage and unleash capitalism to drive AI innovation and stay ahead of our foes.  Joe Biden‘s administration attempted to limit all United States efforts in this area to just a handful of companies in which they could maneuver and create regulatory capture. They wanted to fight China with Chinese style tactics. We will not beat China using Chinese style tactics. We will not beat China at China’s game. We must play America’s game. The Democrats have demonstrated that they are in opposition to this and as a result, they lost the support of Silicon Valley in the last election.


To sum up, the Democrats are feckless failures and half the Republicans are bought and paid for by the defense industry. Unfortunately, at the present time, the other half of the Republicans are bigoted fucks. It’s a crap situation. I’m making my choices on what is most likely to allow America to persevere, and by extension the notion of democracy to persevere. The freest countries on the face of the Earth are NATO countries and I don’t expect that to change while America is in charge, and that’s what I support.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18446 on: February 02, 2025, 07:08:18 AM »
I refuse to wholesale support whatever the democrats come up with anymore. I have done that for 32 years. I am done with it. They have violated my trust. Going forward, I will pick and choose the issues that I support based on my own judgment and not the propaganda of a given party.

I agree that the Democrats don't deserve wholesale support but I also don't think wholesale support (or excusing) of everything Elon Musk says or does is the best alternative.

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Re: The Trump Presidency
« Reply #18447 on: February 02, 2025, 07:09:40 AM »
I refuse to wholesale support whatever the democrats come up with anymore. I have done that for 32 years. I am done with it. They have violated my trust. Going forward, I will pick and choose the issues that I support based on my own judgment and not the propaganda of a given party.

I agree that the Democrats don't deserve wholesale support but I also don't think wholesale support (or excusing) of everything Elon Musk says or does is the best alternative.
That’s why I don’t wholesale support everything Elon Musk does. And I also choose to not get bent out of shape by really pussy crap while he’s still achieving gains on the things that really matter.

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« Reply #18448 on: February 02, 2025, 07:15:06 AM »
I refuse to wholesale support whatever the democrats come up with anymore. I have done that for 32 years. I am done with it. They have violated my trust. Going forward, I will pick and choose the issues that I support based on my own judgment and not the propaganda of a given party.

I agree that the Democrats don't deserve wholesale support but I also don't think wholesale support (or excusing) of everything Elon Musk says or does is the best alternative.
That’s why I don’t wholesale support everything Elon Musk does. And I also choose to not get bent out of shape by really pussy crap while he’s still achieving gains on the things that really matter.

Yeah I hedged it with "excusing" what you don't wholesale support. What is the "really pussy crap" you're referring to?

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« Reply #18449 on: February 02, 2025, 07:19:29 AM »
I'll also say that these silicon valley guys aren't particularly smart, they just have an interesting scheme for chasing money and a few have hit the lottery which feeds this weird bubble economy. For every SpaceX and Facebook there's a hundred Juiceros or Theranos-like companies. They won't save the country, even if their main objective wasn't to get rich.