electoral college thread for liblib to hate on

[Cire]

The ec is outdated and doesn't really serve the purpose of its original intention, but it's fine.


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[DQ12]

The process should be even more electoral-y.  Have each county be winner-take-all.  Makes individual votes even more important and doesn't lump city people and hicks together.

That's an interesting idea.  Would each county be weighed the same (i.e. Riley County KS and Cook County IL are each "1")? 

[ChiComCat]

Can you imagine how boring election night coverage would be if all we were watching was a popular vote instead of 10-15 different elections?

I like the Electoral College.

I'm not an electoral college hater but election night excitement is about reason 300 on why we should keep it.

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The process should be even more electoral-y.  Have each county be winner-take-all.  Makes individual votes even more important and doesn't lump city people and hicks together.

That's an interesting idea.  Would each county be weighed the same (i.e. Riley County KS and Cook County IL are each "1")? 

No, by population proportion.

I'd actually want to break it down even smaller than counties, but I think counties is the smallest thing we have that virtually everyone lives in one of.

[Mrs. Gooch]

The process should be even more electoral-y.  Have each county be winner-take-all.  Makes individual votes even more important and doesn't lump city people and hicks together.

That's an interesting idea.  Would each county be weighed the same (i.e. Riley County KS and Cook County IL are each "1")? 

No, by population proportion.

I'd actually want to break it down even smaller than counties, but I think counties is the smallest thing we have that virtually everyone lives in one of.

If it is based on population, then maybe you could break it down further by maybe giving every person one electoral vote or something like that....

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The process should be even more electoral-y.  Have each county be winner-take-all.  Makes individual votes even more important and doesn't lump city people and hicks together.

That's an interesting idea.  Would each county be weighed the same (i.e. Riley County KS and Cook County IL are each "1")? 

No, by population proportion.

I'd actually want to break it down even smaller than counties, but I think counties is the smallest thing we have that virtually everyone lives in one of.

If it is based on population, then maybe you could break it down further by maybe giving every person one electoral vote or something like that....

That reduced the voter incentive aspect.

[Emo EMAW]

We should consider some sort of CFP model, where-in everything remains the same, only after the EC vote is held, an impartial panel meets and discusses and chooses the true champion.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

State Electoral votes should be capped at whatever the highest republican voting state gets in any given election. It's absurd that a dystopic shithole like California can carry someone 1/5 of the way to president.

[Mrs. Gooch]

The process should be even more electoral-y.  Have each county be winner-take-all.  Makes individual votes even more important and doesn't lump city people and hicks together.

That's an interesting idea.  Would each county be weighed the same (i.e. Riley County KS and Cook County IL are each "1")? 

No, by population proportion.

I'd actually want to break it down even smaller than counties, but I think counties is the smallest thing we have that virtually everyone lives in one of.

If it is based on population, then maybe you could break it down further by maybe giving every person one electoral vote or something like that....

That reduced the voter incentive aspect.

Yeah, I don't really want a pure popular vote; I'm just saying that your tiny divisions based on population are almost that.

I like Nebraska and Maine's idea. But I'd also like something that doesn't result in 3rd party candidates actually causing the person who most people don't want to win.

[ChiComCat]

3rd party candidates have every right to every vote they get.  If people wanted to vote purely against Trump, they could have voted for Hillary.  She wasn't entitled to the votes of Johnson or Stein.

[Mrs. Gooch]

I want a Single Transferable Vote with split electoral votes (but each state still gets the same number of electoral votes that they have now) which are distributed based on congressional districts plus popular vote within the state.

[Emo EMAW]

Maybe, with only the candidates on the ballot, you are to arrange them in an sd-like list from party balls, SLTH, to BID status.  Party balls candidates receive a +1 vote, SLTH candidates get 0, and BID get a -1.  It's possible that every candidate get a +1 or -1 rating.  Then all the +1's and 0's and -1's are totaled for each state, and then the regular EC takes over.  In this scenario, radical Republicans and Democrats might still give the Gary Johnson type's the +1, and he could carry a state and it would be a good compromise between two finger-down-throat candidates.

[Mrs. Gooch]

Maybe, with only the candidates on the ballot, you are to arrange them in an sd-like list from party balls, SLTH, to BID status.  Party balls candidates receive a +1 vote, SLTH candidates get 0, and BID get a -1.  It's possible that every candidate get a +1 or -1 rating.  Then all the +1's and 0's and -1's are totaled for each state, and then the regular EC takes over.  In this scenario, radical Republicans and Democrats might still give the Gary Johnson type's the +1, and he could carry a state and it would be a good compromise between two finger-down-throat candidates.

Yes, I've thought about a negative vote system also. Each voter could allocate one positive vote and one negative vote. The candidate with the most negatives cannot win.

[sys]

I'd also like something that doesn't result in 3rd party candidates actually causing the person who most people don't want to win.

the maine ballot initiative (haven't looked to see if it passed) does/would have done this.

[sys]

just looked.  it passed.  so you can move to maine and vote 3rd party candidates all you want.

[Emo EMAW]

Maybe, with only the candidates on the ballot, you are to arrange them in an sd-like list from party balls, SLTH, to BID status.  Party balls candidates receive a +1 vote, SLTH candidates get 0, and BID get a -1.  It's possible that every candidate get a +1 or -1 rating.  Then all the +1's and 0's and -1's are totaled for each state, and then the regular EC takes over.  In this scenario, radical Republicans and Democrats might still give the Gary Johnson type's the +1, and he could carry a state and it would be a good compromise between two finger-down-throat candidates.

Yes, I've thought about a negative vote system also. Each voter could allocate one positive vote and one negative vote. The candidate with the most negatives cannot win.

In this scenario tho, HRC would have lost by an even bigger margin. 

[Mrs. Gooch]

just looked.  it passed.  so you can move to maine and vote 3rd party candidates all you want.

Question 5 provided that ranked-choice voting be used to elect U.S. senators, U.S. representatives, the governor, state senators, and state representatives.

This measure did not include Presidential votes, unless I am missing something.

Also, it is not that I want to vote for 3rd party candidates necessarily but I don't want all those who do to eff up the election.

[sys]

didn't realize that it didn't include national offices.  that sucks.

[Mrs. Gooch]

Maybe, with only the candidates on the ballot, you are to arrange them in an sd-like list from party balls, SLTH, to BID status.  Party balls candidates receive a +1 vote, SLTH candidates get 0, and BID get a -1.  It's possible that every candidate get a +1 or -1 rating.  Then all the +1's and 0's and -1's are totaled for each state, and then the regular EC takes over.  In this scenario, radical Republicans and Democrats might still give the Gary Johnson type's the +1, and he could carry a state and it would be a good compromise between two finger-down-throat candidates.

Yes, I've thought about a negative vote system also. Each voter could allocate one positive vote and one negative vote. The candidate with the most negatives cannot win.

In this scenario tho, HRC would have lost by an even bigger margin.

No, all the people that voted 3rd party would have voted a + vote for their 3rd party candidate and a - vote for Trump. Trump would have gotten the most negative votes and therefore not allowed to win.

[Emo EMAW]

Maybe, with only the candidates on the ballot, you are to arrange them in an sd-like list from party balls, SLTH, to BID status.  Party balls candidates receive a +1 vote, SLTH candidates get 0, and BID get a -1.  It's possible that every candidate get a +1 or -1 rating.  Then all the +1's and 0's and -1's are totaled for each state, and then the regular EC takes over.  In this scenario, radical Republicans and Democrats might still give the Gary Johnson type's the +1, and he could carry a state and it would be a good compromise between two finger-down-throat candidates.

Yes, I've thought about a negative vote system also. Each voter could allocate one positive vote and one negative vote. The candidate with the most negatives cannot win.

In this scenario tho, HRC would have lost by an even bigger margin.

No, all the people that voted 3rd party would have voted a + vote for their 3rd party candidate and a - vote for Trump. Trump would have gotten the most negative votes and therefore not allowed to win.

I think you're underestimating how unfavorable Hillary was, and how much Trump was seen as a strong leader. 

[renocat]

The ec is un-American

God gave our founders wisdom to write a constitution that every country envies, and he gave us gravy.  Don't mess with either!

[Mrs. Gooch]

The ec is un-American

God gave our founders wisdom to write a constitution that every country envies, and he gave us gravy.  Don't mess with either!

It's already been messed with when the states made laws that the EC is required to vote with the people of the state.

[star seed 7]

DYK that you can win the electoral college with only 22% of the popular vote?

of course it doesn't matter because presidential votes are meaningless and the college can vote for whoever the eff they want

[sonofdaxjones]

DYK that you can win the electoral college with only 22% of the popular vote?

of course it doesn't matter because presidential votes are meaningless and the college can vote for whoever the eff they want

Got Dammit!   

[steve dave]

she got over 2 million more votes than him? what was gore's popular vote margin over bush?