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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2016, 03:19:07 PM »
some people really have a hard time grappling with Trim 3:16

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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2016, 03:19:14 PM »
JFC.  :facepalm: to all of you.

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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2016, 03:46:08 PM »
So is the guy banging the girl that identifies as a guy gay?  :confused:

Maybe gay, maybe bi. There's not enough info

Ok so let's say normal dude is married to normal girl, they bang, have kids, yadda yadda.  But then she decides she wants a sex change and to dress and identify as a dude, but still be married and all that.

That's kind of how it went for Caitlyn, right?

Well sort of (like the opposite person changed though) but they didn't stay together.

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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2016, 03:56:58 PM »
This is not difficult to understand, like at all

Here are some charts to help people understand.









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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2016, 04:09:47 PM »
The TSA will never understand this. 

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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2016, 08:36:57 AM »

The eff is this?
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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2016, 09:03:00 AM »

The eff is this?

A two-dimensional representation of the gender spectrum

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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2016, 09:06:13 AM »
I'm a 1-6

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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2016, 09:21:45 AM »
Here's another really good chart to help you understand.

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« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2016, 09:27:46 AM »
Here's another really good chart to help you understand.

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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2016, 09:51:51 AM »

The eff is this?

A two-dimensional representation of the gender spectrum
6 Point Scales are meaningless. 7 or go home.

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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2016, 11:03:46 AM »
It is a 7 point scale but the most anyone can be is 6/7

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« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2016, 11:22:46 AM »
So a 6,6 is maxed out on both the male and female scale and yet presents as gay, bi, trans etc. - but def. not agender? Why?  Wouldn't the max. female and max. male cancel each other out and they would be just agender?  Wouldn't a 1,1; 2,2; 3,3; 4,4; and a 5,5 present the same way as a 6,6?  How does a 1,0 present compared to a 6,0? The 1,0 works out on the elliptical and builds models while a 6,0 deadlifts all day and wrenches on his diesel dually?  That chart is fuckery of the highest degree.     
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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2016, 11:53:24 AM »
You are all probably just confused because of the chart format.  Try this much more intuitive illustration of gender ID:

Notice, no labels because stop being so binary about gender.

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« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2016, 12:00:22 PM »
You are all probably just confused because of the chart format.  Try this much more intuitive illustration of gender ID:

Notice, no labels because stop being so binary about gender.
Why?
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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2016, 12:03:09 PM »
You are all probably just confused because of the chart format.  Try this much more intuitive illustration of gender ID:

Notice, no labels because stop being so binary about gender.
You can make up any format you want about the gender spectrum but it will never be accurate.
I was wrong and I apologize. - michigancat 8/22/14

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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2016, 01:06:04 PM »
You are all probably just confused because of the chart format.  Try this much more intuitive illustration of gender ID:

Notice, no labels because stop being so binary about gender.

what a great post.  catastrophe!
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."

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« Reply #42 on: May 06, 2016, 01:12:57 PM »
So a 6,6 is maxed out on both the male and female scale and yet presents as gay, bi, trans etc. - but def. not agender? Why?  Wouldn't the max. female and max. male cancel each other out and they would be just agender?  Wouldn't a 1,1; 2,2; 3,3; 4,4; and a 5,5 present the same way as a 6,6?  How does a 1,0 present compared to a 6,0? The 1,0 works out on the elliptical and builds models while a 6,0 deadlifts all day and wrenches on his diesel dually?  That chart is fuckery of the highest degree.     

First off, see my first chart: Gender and sexuality are not linked so your reference to gay or bi has nothing to do with this chart.

Second off, male and female do not "cancel each other out".  This reminds me of when I was a kid and thought salt and pepper cancelled each other out so if I put on too much salt I'd just add more pepper then when I got too much pepper just add more salt until the food was both too salty and too peppery even though in theory it should be neutral.

Of course this chart isn't the perfect description of the gender spectrum but it is a way for people to try to understand it rather than just two check boxes:


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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #43 on: May 06, 2016, 01:15:15 PM »
Gender and sexuality are not linked.

there's actually a strong correlation.  it's not far-fetched to posit a causal link.
"a lot of political rhetoric is picking a slice of "elites" and positioning yourselves against them."

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« Reply #44 on: May 06, 2016, 01:18:28 PM »
Gender and sexuality are not linked.

there's actually a strong correlation.  it's not far-fetched to posit a causal link.

Are you saying (for instance) that all females (6,1) would be attracted to males (1,6)? No, I don't think that is correct. Haven't you ever heard of a lipstick lesbian?

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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2016, 01:22:13 PM »
Gender and sexuality are not linked.

there's actually a strong correlation.  it's not far-fetched to posit a causal link.

Are you saying (for instance) that all females (6,1) would be attracted to males (1,6)? No, I don't think that is correct. Haven't you ever heard of a lipstick lesbian?

The vast majority of females (6,1) are attracted to males (1,6).

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« Reply #46 on: May 06, 2016, 01:33:09 PM »
So a 6,6 is maxed out on both the male and female scale and yet presents as gay, bi, trans etc. - but def. not agender? Why?  Wouldn't the max. female and max. male cancel each other out and they would be just agender?  Wouldn't a 1,1; 2,2; 3,3; 4,4; and a 5,5 present the same way as a 6,6?  How does a 1,0 present compared to a 6,0? The 1,0 works out on the elliptical and builds models while a 6,0 deadlifts all day and wrenches on his diesel dually?  That chart is fuckery of the highest degree.     

First off, see my first chart: Gender and sexuality are not linked so your reference to gay or bi has nothing to do with this chart.

Second off, male and female do not "cancel each other out".  This reminds me of when I was a kid and thought salt and pepper cancelled each other out so if I put on too much salt I'd just add more pepper then when I got too much pepper just add more salt until the food was both too salty and too peppery even though in theory it should be neutral.

Of course this chart isn't the perfect description of the gender spectrum but it is a way for people to try to understand it rather than just two check boxes:

Ok, I did not actually know the definition of genderqueer, I just assumed they were throwing all "others" into that category since they did not fit into "agender".  Which leads to another flaw - where on the gender spectrum do LGBT fall?  They do not get included? Why?

Of course they do not cancel each other out.  I was demonstrating a flaw in the graphic by literally applying what it was displaying.

And yes it is not perfect, and there will never be a perfect way to display the gender spectrum because it is a fallacy. 
I was wrong and I apologize. - michigancat 8/22/14

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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #47 on: May 06, 2016, 01:36:13 PM »
Gender and sexuality are not linked.

there's actually a strong correlation.  it's not far-fetched to posit a causal link.

Are you saying (for instance) that all females (6,1) would be attracted to males (1,6)? No, I don't think that is correct. Haven't you ever heard of a lipstick lesbian?
She is a lesbian and not on the chart.  What does a 3,3 present as?  Butch female? Effeminate male? One is still male and the other is still female.   
I was wrong and I apologize. - michigancat 8/22/14

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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #48 on: May 06, 2016, 01:40:56 PM »
Why doesn't my driver's license have a 1,6 or 6,1 or whatever it would be on there? 

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Re: Gender Issues
« Reply #49 on: May 06, 2016, 01:43:46 PM »
Why doesn't my driver's license have a 1,6 or 6,1 or whatever it would be on there?
What matters is - What do you identify as?
I was wrong and I apologize. - michigancat 8/22/14