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Now imagine that alligator shot that kid and like 30 other kids.
Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on June 17, 2016, 10:15:03 AMNow imagine that alligator shot that kid and like 30 other kids.Was it a Muslim alligator or a white alligator?
Disney sure as crap better put up signs for snakes, snappers, alligators, anacondas, scorpions, etc. while they're at it.
I can't believe that we have thousand upon thousand of miles of sandy beaches directly on the SCARY OCEAN that don't have signs for sharks.
Quote from: EMAWican on June 17, 2016, 10:25:59 AMI can't believe that we have thousand upon thousand of miles of sandy beaches directly on the SCARY OCEAN that don't have signs for sharks.yeah, that's the issue. I can see from each side and it's not as clear cut as some are acting. how many millions (billions?) of people have walked on their beaches? and I assume this is the first alligator attack. that's a pretty low hit ratio. you can't risk engineer everything to perfection. and is a florida jury going to set some new precedent that every property owner is now responsible for every wild animal that lives nearby if they don't completely fence them off from the guests? is every rental property, lodge, or resort negligent if one of their visitors is eaten/bitten by a bear/cougar/snake/shark/crocodile/lion/etc. that lives in the area? I know a little bit about disney's risk engineering and they are widely considered to be the best in the business. I think statistics will support that.
in the end, EMAW will always win.
Quote from: steve dave on June 17, 2016, 11:21:11 AMQuote from: EMAWican on June 17, 2016, 10:25:59 AMI can't believe that we have thousand upon thousand of miles of sandy beaches directly on the SCARY OCEAN that don't have signs for sharks.yeah, that's the issue. I can see from each side and it's not as clear cut as some are acting. how many millions (billions?) of people have walked on their beaches? and I assume this is the first alligator attack. that's a pretty low hit ratio. you can't risk engineer everything to perfection. and is a florida jury going to set some new precedent that every property owner is now responsible for every wild animal that lives nearby if they don't completely fence them off from the guests? is every rental property, lodge, or resort negligent if one of their visitors is eaten/bitten by a bear/cougar/snake/shark/crocodile/lion/etc. that lives in the area? I know a little bit about disney's risk engineering and they are widely considered to be the best in the business. I think statistics will support that.I thought the issue was more that Disney had been told before that the alligators were there and a likely danger....not that an unexpected animal just wandered onto their property and that it is totally surprising that one wandered up there.
I like to think that they weren't negligent, but are liable. Is that a legal possibility? Because sometimes you just have to pay for crap even when it truly isn't your fault.
This is why they have insurance folks.
yeah, the no swimming signs have nothing to do with alligators, just pointing out they are already there. I don't think the amoeba thing is a part of it at all either. they just don't have lifeguards on those beaches. there are alligators all over the resorts. you see them in the water filled areas under bridges, etc. everywhere you go. if you see a big body of water that's not a pool you can look close and find an alligator floating there. I've never seen one close to 7 feet though. usually just a couple feet long. lil sd loves waiting for boats and pointing out turtles and alligators and fish and stuff.
A lifeguard on duty was unable to help, possibly because he was too far away.
Quote from: steve dave on June 17, 2016, 07:37:45 AMyeah, the no swimming signs have nothing to do with alligators, just pointing out they are already there. I don't think the amoeba thing is a part of it at all either. they just don't have lifeguards on those beaches. there are alligators all over the resorts. you see them in the water filled areas under bridges, etc. everywhere you go. if you see a big body of water that's not a pool you can look close and find an alligator floating there. I've never seen one close to 7 feet though. usually just a couple feet long. lil sd loves waiting for boats and pointing out turtles and alligators and fish and stuff.Most of the initial stories mention a lifeguard. If even splashing in a few inches of water was dangerous, shouldn't the lifeguard have warned the parents to stop? He's a disney employee who's job is beach safety so I do think there is some level of disney liability. Its not like a backwoods river. Its a fake beach with a lifeguard. I can understand why the parents had no inkling of danger. QuoteA lifeguard on duty was unable to help, possibly because he was too far away.http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/06/15/482130882/alligator-grabs-2-year-old-near-disneys-grand-floridian-resort