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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #150 on: April 14, 2021, 07:59:47 PM »
If one could throw it right, like as right and as consistently as the robot, there’d be no luck. Everything else involved is static, the only variable is the throw. Be as good as the robot, no self-limitations.

What about the inner housing around the pins that the 7/10 pin must ricochet off of or whatever. Are we sure those are all absolutely the same and consistent from lane to lane, venue to venue, etc.?

They should be if they're part of the field of play, so to speak, at least I'm professional settings.

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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #151 on: April 15, 2021, 04:53:30 PM »
If one could throw it right, like as right and as consistently as the robot, there’d be no luck. Everything else involved is static, the only variable is the throw. Be as good as the robot, no self-limitations.
Did you read BAC's post?  The robot couldn't pick it up every time. 

My guess is because of extremely slight variance in pin positioning from the pinsetter and oil conditions on the lane.

Yeah, but I assumed the robot did it and they were saying no human could match it.  Those other factors you mentioned would affect other rolls and pin placements too, so I guess evey bowling achievement involves some degree of luck.
No.  E.A.R.L.(the bowling robot) didn't pick it up every time.

Even if the conditions remained identical, you have a relatively enormous margin of error with respect to picking up a single pin (hit it just like, wherever, and it knocks down) than you would a 7-10 split (hit it at the precise angle and force so that the pin ricochets off one or more of the sidewall/backwall/ball and knocks into the other pin.

You're out of your element here, trim. It's commonly accepted that 7-10 (and a number of other "lateral splits" [term i just made up]) require varying degrees of luck.


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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #152 on: April 15, 2021, 05:01:49 PM »
You're out of your element here, trim. It's commonly accepted that 7-10 (and a number of other "lateral splits" [term i just made up]) require varying degrees of luck.

Yes.

Those other factors you mentioned would affect other rolls and pin placements too, so I guess every bowling achievement involves some degree of luck.

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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #153 on: April 16, 2021, 09:16:16 AM »
Those other factors you mentioned would affect other rolls and pin placements too, so I guess every bowling achievement involves some degree of luck.
Everything except dead simple spares (where the margin for error is pretty huge), yes.  I'm not sure if E.A.R.L. can bowl 300s consistently, for example.  E.A.R.L. can consistently pick up a 5 pin or a 1-3 spare (for example) though.


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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #154 on: April 16, 2021, 10:19:08 AM »
Dude in my league bowled an 845 last night... 298, 279, 268.  Was pretty insane to watch.  I have 2 300s, but never been close to an 800 series.  I think that is the pinnacle.

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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #155 on: April 16, 2021, 10:23:38 AM »
Those other factors you mentioned would affect other rolls and pin placements too, so I guess every bowling achievement involves some degree of luck.
Everything except dead simple spares (where the margin for error is pretty huge), yes.  I'm not sure if E.A.R.L. can bowl 300s consistently, for example.  E.A.R.L. can consistently pick up a 5 pin or a 1-3 spare (for example) though.

I mean, you can definitely set up EARL to throw the ball such that it hits the pocket at a 6 degree angle and theoretically that shot could be repeated every time...i'm sure they've probably tested it but i'm curious how often EARL can throw a 300, but i'd guess its upwards of 97% of the time

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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #156 on: April 16, 2021, 10:29:34 AM »
Those other factors you mentioned would affect other rolls and pin placements too, so I guess every bowling achievement involves some degree of luck.
Everything except dead simple spares (where the margin for error is pretty huge), yes.  I'm not sure if E.A.R.L. can bowl 300s consistently, for example.  E.A.R.L. can consistently pick up a 5 pin or a 1-3 spare (for example) though.

I mean, you can definitely set up EARL to throw the ball such that it hits the pocket at a 6 degree angle and theoretically that shot could be repeated every time...i'm sure they've probably tested it but i'm curious how often EARL can throw a 300, but i'd guess its upwards of 97% of the time

You can throw the exact perfect ball every time and still not get a 300, which is why it's pretty difficult.  There is a lot that goes into the pin rack as well.  If there is a dead pin, or if one is misaligned, etc.  But I would guess if you are trying to test robot accuracy, you would make sure the rack is perfect every time as well.

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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #157 on: April 19, 2021, 03:57:57 PM »
plus they'd need to account for lane breakdown/transition too, unless EARL was throwing straight darts for the 300 every time.


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Re: Bowling Master thread.
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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #159 on: April 23, 2021, 10:35:58 AM »

https://luke.substack.com/p/the-man-who-bowled-a-perfect-game

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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #160 on: April 23, 2021, 07:46:11 PM »

https://luke.substack.com/p/the-man-who-bowled-a-perfect-game

I saw that yesterday, great article and I'd love to bowl a game with ole Bill Moro.

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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #161 on: May 05, 2021, 10:36:50 AM »
Bill Moro is a legend.


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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #162 on: July 19, 2021, 04:03:36 PM »
we're in the off-season of course but i went out last week and threw a 720.  yeoman's work really.

25 strikes out of 33 first balls.


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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #163 on: August 31, 2021, 10:05:41 AM »
league started back up.

617 to kick things off. I had four opens my first game.  :eek:


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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #164 on: August 31, 2021, 11:14:27 AM »
How many games in a league match? I'm bowling league dumb.

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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #165 on: September 17, 2021, 09:38:12 AM »
How many games in a league match? I'm bowling league dumb.

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3.  The way it works is two teams bowl against each other on a night.  One point is awarded for each game team total (i.e. the entire team's total vs. the other team's total for that game).  Then, after all three, each team's total for the three games are compared, with another point being awarded for the winner there.  So 4 total points a night are up for grabs (3 games, 1 "series").  I think most amateur leagues are handicapped.  Handicaps vary, but it's generally some percentage (usually 80-90) of the difference between your average and some number (usually between 200-220).  So if i'm in a 90% of 200 league, and I have a 190 average, my handicap is 9 pins.

That said, I've been bowling horrible lately.  I'm a terrible bowler now.


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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #166 on: September 17, 2021, 09:56:47 AM »
league started back up.

617 to kick things off. I had four opens my first game.  :eek:

That's a good start though... gotta set that handicap!

I am a 210 avg bowler, first week had a 545, last night 663.

DQ... what ball are you currently throwing?

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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #167 on: September 17, 2021, 10:14:27 AM »
league started back up.

617 to kick things off. I had four opens my first game.  :eek:

That's a good start though... gotta set that handicap!

I am a 210 avg bowler, first week had a 545, last night 663.

DQ... what ball are you currently throwing?
Storm Intense, with a Storm Ice for the 6 and 10. 


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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #168 on: September 17, 2021, 10:27:24 AM »
league started back up.

617 to kick things off. I had four opens my first game.  :eek:

That's a good start though... gotta set that handicap!

I am a 210 avg bowler, first week had a 545, last night 663.

DQ... what ball are you currently throwing?
Storm Intense, with a Storm Ice for the 6 and 10.

Nice, big Storm guy here myself.  Recently switched to the RotoGrip UFO.. don't really like it

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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #169 on: September 19, 2021, 01:25:31 PM »
Thank you for the bowling league primer @DQ12

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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #170 on: September 19, 2021, 08:26:35 PM »

That said, I've been bowling horrible lately.  I'm a terrible bowler now.

Glad to hear that for your wife’s sake.
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Re: Bowling Master thread.
« Reply #171 on: October 06, 2021, 03:30:52 PM »

That said, I've been bowling horrible lately.  I'm a terrible bowler now.

Glad to hear that for your wife’s sake.
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