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« Reply #23400 on: December 05, 2012, 10:49:10 AM »
Pro Tip - the people  who decide whether or not GOR is enforceable are the same ones who have something to lose if they are enforceable.  it's the same crap w/ exit fees.

GOR are the opposite of Exit Fees.  With GORs, the Conference has the TV revenue and the exiting University would have to sue to get their share.  With Exit Fees, the University has the money and the Conference has to sue to get their penalty. 

Basically, it would seem, the Conference is in a much stronger position with GOR.

i understand the differences between the two, my point was that it will be the people in power who decide how the two get treated.

us and iowa state will be getting a phone call from deloss letting us know what they'll be giving us.


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« Reply #23401 on: December 05, 2012, 10:53:55 AM »

And most schools in the ACC don't want to go anywhere.  Right now, the only school we know is jumpy is Florida State, for obvious reasons.

The easiest way to get out of the $50 million exit fee is for Maryland to prove it's crap and get out of the conference for, like, $15 or $16 million dollars.

So what's a realistic timetable for the litigation to run its course on this Maryland buyout?  If it's truly the lynchpin in all of this and it's really a standoff until it gets settled, when do we think that reasonably it will occur?  Weeks? Months? 



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« Reply #23402 on: December 05, 2012, 10:56:22 AM »
I becoming plain to see that 16 is the magical number

4 16 team conferences (PAC 12 picks up 4 from the east coast)

After these form, people realize that it is stupid for the PAC 12 to have east coast teams and say we need to reorganize and have the new conferences make since. Conferences drop dead weight (hope K-State is still strong by then) and pick up school on the outside that are worth it.

Talks of COLUSION and congressional investigations cause the power teams to shed there tax exempt status in favor of Anti-Trust exemption.

NCAA loses influence with these 4 conferences as the presidents of these schools care less about the non power schools (why should they)

The non power schools leave the NCAA and from a new organization.

Power schools roll in dough.

. . . or the power schools leave the NCAA and form their own organization.

In addition, there will be academic bodies that will file suit to have the "power" athletic programs disassociated (and I know about disassociation) from the universities entirely.

This won't happen for a couple of reasons.  First of all a breakaway organization won't be able to fund all of their olympic sports, which means there is a title IX problem.  The revenue from the NCAA tournament allows them to fund all of these sports that lose money.  Completely breaking away is a risky proposition, because whatever TV money they get for a basketball tournament won't get anywhere close to what a NCAA tournament gets because of the sheer volume of content with a 68 team tournament.

I could see them breaking away in football only since the NCAA doesn't do much in FBS football anyway.

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« Reply #23403 on: December 05, 2012, 10:59:01 AM »

And most schools in the ACC don't want to go anywhere.  Right now, the only school we know is jumpy is Florida State, for obvious reasons.

The easiest way to get out of the $50 million exit fee is for Maryland to prove it's crap and get out of the conference for, like, $15 or $16 million dollars.

So what's a realistic timetable for the litigation to run its course on this Maryland buyout?  If it's truly the lynchpin in all of this and it's really a standoff until it gets settled, when do we think that reasonably it will occur?  Weeks? Months?

I'm not a lawyer, obviously, but based on what we've seen with other schools, it's probably several months.

The thing with FSU is that they have the same grounds to leave as Maryland does since they voted against the buyout.  So timetable may not matter to them at all.  :dunno:

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« Reply #23405 on: December 05, 2012, 11:00:33 AM »
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« Reply #23406 on: December 05, 2012, 11:02:41 AM »
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« Reply #23407 on: December 05, 2012, 11:03:18 AM »

i understand the differences between the two, my point was that it will be the people in power who decide how the two get treated.

us and iowa state will be getting a phone call from deloss letting us know what they'll be giving us.

No question that KSU isn't a policy maker in this Conference. 

But it sounded like you were saying that KU would decide whether or not GOR is enforceable because they are the ones who "have something to lose if [the GOR] is enforceable."  While this may be true for Exit Fees (b/c KU holds the purse strings), this is not the case for GOR money (b/c the Conference holds the purse strings). 


   

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« Reply #23408 on: December 05, 2012, 11:04:14 AM »
re:  ACC exit fees and timetable - wouldn't it serve the process (and lower the dollar amount of the exit fee) if multiple teams leave? 

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« Reply #23409 on: December 05, 2012, 11:07:24 AM »
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See my post like five minutes ago, he knows full well that they need the NCAA, the ADs and Presidents know this as well BTW, there has not been a single one talking about breaking away, its a media driven talking point.

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« Reply #23410 on: December 05, 2012, 11:10:20 AM »

See my post like five minutes ago, he knows full well that they need the NCAA, the ADs and Presidents know this as well BTW, there has not been a single one talking about breaking away, its a media driven talking point.

food for thought...  The ADs and Presidents were pretty much unanimously opposed to a BCS playoff.  But, the media drove the playoff talking point into becoming reality. 

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« Reply #23411 on: December 05, 2012, 11:17:02 AM »

See my post like five minutes ago, he knows full well that they need the NCAA, the ADs and Presidents know this as well BTW, there has not been a single one talking about breaking away, its a media driven talking point.

food for thought...  The ADs and Presidents were pretty much unanimously opposed to a BCS playoff.  But, the media drove the playoff talking point into becoming reality.

Completely different.  The playoff was more lucrative and everyone, including the Presidents and ADs knew that, they just didn't want to piss off the bowl executives who were a very powerful lobby.  Breaking away in all sports is exactly the opposite.  They would have less mouths to feed for football, but would lose significant funding for every other sport.

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« Reply #23412 on: December 05, 2012, 11:18:35 AM »
re:  ACC exit fees and timetable - wouldn't it serve the process (and lower the dollar amount of the exit fee) if multiple teams leave?

Most of them don't want to leave, and they will only do so out of necessity.

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« Reply #23413 on: December 05, 2012, 11:19:48 AM »
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See my post like five minutes ago, he knows full well that they need the NCAA, the ADs and Presidents know this as well BTW, there has not been a single one talking about breaking away, its a media driven talking point.

We are in 110% agreement.

I just like that he's drawing a line in the sand.

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« Reply #23414 on: December 05, 2012, 11:24:31 AM »
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See my post like five minutes ago, he knows full well that they need the NCAA, the ADs and Presidents know this as well BTW, there has not been a single one talking about breaking away, its a media driven talking point.

We are in 110% agreement.

I just like that he's drawing a line in the sand.

100% is the most in this type of % relationship

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« Reply #23415 on: December 05, 2012, 11:26:08 AM »
I becoming plain to see that 16 is the magical number

4 16 team conferences (PAC 12 picks up 4 from the east coast)

After these form, people realize that it is stupid for the PAC 12 to have east coast teams and say we need to reorganize and have the new conferences make since. Conferences drop dead weight (hope K-State is still strong by then) and pick up school on the outside that are worth it.

Talks of COLUSION and congressional investigations cause the power teams to shed there tax exempt status in favor of Anti-Trust exemption.

NCAA loses influence with these 4 conferences as the presidents of these schools care less about the non power schools (why should they)

The non power schools leave the NCAA and from a new organization.

Power schools roll in dough.

. . . or the power schools leave the NCAA and form their own organization.

In addition, there will be academic bodies that will file suit to have the "power" athletic programs disassociated (and I know about disassociation) from the universities entirely.

This won't happen for a couple of reasons.  First of all a breakaway organization won't be able to fund all of their olympic sports, which means there is a title IX problem.  The revenue from the NCAA tournament allows them to fund all of these sports that lose money.  Completely breaking away is a risky proposition, because whatever TV money they get for a basketball tournament won't get anywhere close to what a NCAA tournament gets because of the sheer volume of content with a 68 team tournament.

I could see them breaking away in football only since the NCAA doesn't do much in FBS football anyway.

i don't at all think that they will break away, but for arguments sake...what would stop those four 16 team leagues from just setting up their own 64 team tournament that only their teams play in? every team gets in and is seeded 1-16 and they sell that to cbs or nbc or whatever?

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« Reply #23416 on: December 05, 2012, 11:36:02 AM »
i don't at all think that they will break away, but for arguments sake...what would stop those four 16 team leagues from just setting up their own 64 team tournament that only their teams play in? every team gets in and is seeded 1-16 and they sell that to cbs or nbc or whatever?

I don't know how this equates to dollars, but it seems the broad appeal of the NCAA tournament is the fact that it's so unpredictable due to the inclusion of smaller programs.

I think if they started a 64 team tournament of all BCS teams, it wouldn't nearly have the widespread appeal it does today.

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« Reply #23417 on: December 05, 2012, 11:38:54 AM »
I becoming plain to see that 16 is the magical number

4 16 team conferences (PAC 12 picks up 4 from the east coast)

After these form, people realize that it is stupid for the PAC 12 to have east coast teams and say we need to reorganize and have the new conferences make since. Conferences drop dead weight (hope K-State is still strong by then) and pick up school on the outside that are worth it.

Talks of COLUSION and congressional investigations cause the power teams to shed there tax exempt status in favor of Anti-Trust exemption.

NCAA loses influence with these 4 conferences as the presidents of these schools care less about the non power schools (why should they)

The non power schools leave the NCAA and from a new organization.

Power schools roll in dough.

. . . or the power schools leave the NCAA and form their own organization.

In addition, there will be academic bodies that will file suit to have the "power" athletic programs disassociated (and I know about disassociation) from the universities entirely.

This won't happen for a couple of reasons.  First of all a breakaway organization won't be able to fund all of their olympic sports, which means there is a title IX problem.  The revenue from the NCAA tournament allows them to fund all of these sports that lose money.  Completely breaking away is a risky proposition, because whatever TV money they get for a basketball tournament won't get anywhere close to what a NCAA tournament gets because of the sheer volume of content with a 68 team tournament.

I could see them breaking away in football only since the NCAA doesn't do much in FBS football anyway.

i don't at all think that they will break away, but for arguments sake...what would stop those four 16 team leagues from just setting up their own 64 team tournament that only their teams play in? every team gets in and is seeded 1-16 and they sell that to cbs or nbc or whatever?

You think a network is going to pay billions for the rights to broadcast a 9-22 Tech Tech versus Duke, or better yet an 13-18 Arizona State versus an 18-13 Northwestern?  You think the Presidents are willing to take that risk, because consultants will absolutely tell them that their tournament will lose value.  Also keep in mind that ESPN also has a long term NCAA deal to broadcast the championships of most olympic sports.  They would have to also hope that they could find a deal for these things too.

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« Reply #23418 on: December 05, 2012, 11:39:27 AM »
I becoming plain to see that 16 is the magical number

4 16 team conferences (PAC 12 picks up 4 from the east coast)

After these form, people realize that it is stupid for the PAC 12 to have east coast teams and say we need to reorganize and have the new conferences make since. Conferences drop dead weight (hope K-State is still strong by then) and pick up school on the outside that are worth it.

Talks of COLUSION and congressional investigations cause the power teams to shed there tax exempt status in favor of Anti-Trust exemption.

NCAA loses influence with these 4 conferences as the presidents of these schools care less about the non power schools (why should they)

The non power schools leave the NCAA and from a new organization.

Power schools roll in dough.

. . . or the power schools leave the NCAA and form their own organization.

In addition, there will be academic bodies that will file suit to have the "power" athletic programs disassociated (and I know about disassociation) from the universities entirely.

This won't happen for a couple of reasons.  First of all a breakaway organization won't be able to fund all of their olympic sports, which means there is a title IX problem.  The revenue from the NCAA tournament allows them to fund all of these sports that lose money.  Completely breaking away is a risky proposition, because whatever TV money they get for a basketball tournament won't get anywhere close to what a NCAA tournament gets because of the sheer volume of content with a 68 team tournament.

I could see them breaking away in football only since the NCAA doesn't do much in FBS football anyway.

Please tell me what part of olympic sports at individual power schools (and fringe power schools) are funded solely by the NCAA tourney. . . I'll help, none.   

The NCAA has a never ending TV contract for the NCAA tourney? 

The current NCAA tourney payout is a known $ figure, and is divided up by a formula. 

At the end of the day, more lucrative TV/Media Deals for conferences/individual schools, playoff and bowl payouts . . . and ultimately their own (new power school league association) basketball tourney payouts will dwarf current and projected NCAA tourney payouts on a school by school payout basis.    Even at lil' ol K-State which benefitted from a nice NCAA tourney payout in FY 2012 has expense outlays for Olympic Sports which far exceed what the NCAA tourney payout is.    John Currie is NOT sitting up in his office waiting for that NCAA tourney payout so he can pay Susie Fritz, or Cliff Revolto.   

Schools like Texas, and many others burn the equivilant of their NCAA tourney payout on buying booze for their private jets.


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« Reply #23419 on: December 05, 2012, 11:51:53 AM »
I becoming plain to see that 16 is the magical number

4 16 team conferences (PAC 12 picks up 4 from the east coast)

After these form, people realize that it is stupid for the PAC 12 to have east coast teams and say we need to reorganize and have the new conferences make since. Conferences drop dead weight (hope K-State is still strong by then) and pick up school on the outside that are worth it.

Talks of COLUSION and congressional investigations cause the power teams to shed there tax exempt status in favor of Anti-Trust exemption.

NCAA loses influence with these 4 conferences as the presidents of these schools care less about the non power schools (why should they)

The non power schools leave the NCAA and from a new organization.

Power schools roll in dough.

. . . or the power schools leave the NCAA and form their own organization.

In addition, there will be academic bodies that will file suit to have the "power" athletic programs disassociated (and I know about disassociation) from the universities entirely.

This won't happen for a couple of reasons.  First of all a breakaway organization won't be able to fund all of their olympic sports, which means there is a title IX problem.  The revenue from the NCAA tournament allows them to fund all of these sports that lose money.  Completely breaking away is a risky proposition, because whatever TV money they get for a basketball tournament won't get anywhere close to what a NCAA tournament gets because of the sheer volume of content with a 68 team tournament.

I could see them breaking away in football only since the NCAA doesn't do much in FBS football anyway.

i don't at all think that they will break away, but for arguments sake...what would stop those four 16 team leagues from just setting up their own 64 team tournament that only their teams play in? every team gets in and is seeded 1-16 and they sell that to cbs or nbc or whatever?

You think a network is going to pay billions for the rights to broadcast a 9-22 Tech Tech versus Duke, or better yet an 13-18 Arizona State versus an 18-13 Northwestern?  You think the Presidents are willing to take that risk, because consultants will absolutely tell them that their tournament will lose value.  Also keep in mind that ESPN also has a long term NCAA deal to broadcast the championships of most olympic sports.  They would have to also hope that they could find a deal for these things too.

do i think all those things? no. that's why i said "i don't at all think that they will break away." but they wouldn't have to get anywhere near what the contract currently is, because the money would only be split between 64 schools.

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« Reply #23420 on: December 05, 2012, 11:52:31 AM »
I becoming plain to see that 16 is the magical number

4 16 team conferences (PAC 12 picks up 4 from the east coast)

After these form, people realize that it is stupid for the PAC 12 to have east coast teams and say we need to reorganize and have the new conferences make since. Conferences drop dead weight (hope K-State is still strong by then) and pick up school on the outside that are worth it.

Talks of COLUSION and congressional investigations cause the power teams to shed there tax exempt status in favor of Anti-Trust exemption.

NCAA loses influence with these 4 conferences as the presidents of these schools care less about the non power schools (why should they)

The non power schools leave the NCAA and from a new organization.

Power schools roll in dough.

. . . or the power schools leave the NCAA and form their own organization.

In addition, there will be academic bodies that will file suit to have the "power" athletic programs disassociated (and I know about disassociation) from the universities entirely.

This won't happen for a couple of reasons.  First of all a breakaway organization won't be able to fund all of their olympic sports, which means there is a title IX problem.  The revenue from the NCAA tournament allows them to fund all of these sports that lose money.  Completely breaking away is a risky proposition, because whatever TV money they get for a basketball tournament won't get anywhere close to what a NCAA tournament gets because of the sheer volume of content with a 68 team tournament.

I could see them breaking away in football only since the NCAA doesn't do much in FBS football anyway.

Please tell me what part of olympic sports at individual power schools (and fringe power schools) are funded solely by the NCAA tourney. . . I'll help, none.   

The NCAA has a never ending TV contract for the NCAA tourney? 

The current NCAA tourney payout is a known $ figure, and is divided up by a formula. 

At the end of the day, more lucrative TV/Media Deals for conferences/individual schools, playoff and bowl payouts . . . and ultimately their own (new power school league association) basketball tourney payouts will dwarf current and projected NCAA tourney payouts on a school by school payout basis.    Even at lil' ol K-State which benefitted from a nice NCAA tourney payout in FY 2012 has expense outlays for Olympic Sports which far exceed what the NCAA tourney payout is.    John Currie is NOT sitting up in his office waiting for that NCAA tourney payout so he can pay Susie Fritz, or Cliff Revolto.   

Schools like Texas, and many others burn the equivilant of their NCAA tourney payout on buying booze for their private jets.

What are you talking about, they all are.  I'm not talking about funding at the individual schools, I'm talking about funding to run the damn sports.  Money to run a national track and field championship comes from somewhere.  You think running the CWS is free?  You think schools like Duke, Wake Forrest, Baylor, Purdue, and Georgia Tech can afford to foot the bill for these things?  All of that money comes from the NCAA tournament.  Of course schools like Texas have "money to burn" (even though you don't get rich by thinking that way) but there are like 3 schools in the country that can think that way.  At best breaking away for all sports would be a huge risk, anyone who looks at the business of sports knows this.  Stop disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, there is no way that you think that a certain number of schools are going to break away.

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« Reply #23421 on: December 05, 2012, 11:56:15 AM »
I becoming plain to see that 16 is the magical number

4 16 team conferences (PAC 12 picks up 4 from the east coast)

After these form, people realize that it is stupid for the PAC 12 to have east coast teams and say we need to reorganize and have the new conferences make since. Conferences drop dead weight (hope K-State is still strong by then) and pick up school on the outside that are worth it.

Talks of COLUSION and congressional investigations cause the power teams to shed there tax exempt status in favor of Anti-Trust exemption.

NCAA loses influence with these 4 conferences as the presidents of these schools care less about the non power schools (why should they)

The non power schools leave the NCAA and from a new organization.

Power schools roll in dough.

. . . or the power schools leave the NCAA and form their own organization.

In addition, there will be academic bodies that will file suit to have the "power" athletic programs disassociated (and I know about disassociation) from the universities entirely.

This won't happen for a couple of reasons.  First of all a breakaway organization won't be able to fund all of their olympic sports, which means there is a title IX problem.  The revenue from the NCAA tournament allows them to fund all of these sports that lose money.  Completely breaking away is a risky proposition, because whatever TV money they get for a basketball tournament won't get anywhere close to what a NCAA tournament gets because of the sheer volume of content with a 68 team tournament.

I could see them breaking away in football only since the NCAA doesn't do much in FBS football anyway.

i don't at all think that they will break away, but for arguments sake...what would stop those four 16 team leagues from just setting up their own 64 team tournament that only their teams play in? every team gets in and is seeded 1-16 and they sell that to cbs or nbc or whatever?

You think a network is going to pay billions for the rights to broadcast a 9-22 Tech Tech versus Duke, or better yet an 13-18 Arizona State versus an 18-13 Northwestern?  You think the Presidents are willing to take that risk, because consultants will absolutely tell them that their tournament will lose value.  Also keep in mind that ESPN also has a long term NCAA deal to broadcast the championships of most olympic sports.  They would have to also hope that they could find a deal for these things too.

do i think all those things? no. that's why i said "i don't at all think that they will break away." but they wouldn't have to get anywhere near what the contract currently is, because the money would only be split between 64 schools.

You're right less mouths to feed, also less pockets to help with the cost associated with running national tornaments, oversight, etc.

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« Reply #23422 on: December 05, 2012, 12:03:03 PM »
I becoming plain to see that 16 is the magical number

4 16 team conferences (PAC 12 picks up 4 from the east coast)

After these form, people realize that it is stupid for the PAC 12 to have east coast teams and say we need to reorganize and have the new conferences make since. Conferences drop dead weight (hope K-State is still strong by then) and pick up school on the outside that are worth it.

Talks of COLUSION and congressional investigations cause the power teams to shed there tax exempt status in favor of Anti-Trust exemption.

NCAA loses influence with these 4 conferences as the presidents of these schools care less about the non power schools (why should they)

The non power schools leave the NCAA and from a new organization.

Power schools roll in dough.

. . . or the power schools leave the NCAA and form their own organization.

In addition, there will be academic bodies that will file suit to have the "power" athletic programs disassociated (and I know about disassociation) from the universities entirely.

This won't happen for a couple of reasons.  First of all a breakaway organization won't be able to fund all of their olympic sports, which means there is a title IX problem.  The revenue from the NCAA tournament allows them to fund all of these sports that lose money.  Completely breaking away is a risky proposition, because whatever TV money they get for a basketball tournament won't get anywhere close to what a NCAA tournament gets because of the sheer volume of content with a 68 team tournament.

I could see them breaking away in football only since the NCAA doesn't do much in FBS football anyway.

i don't at all think that they will break away, but for arguments sake...what would stop those four 16 team leagues from just setting up their own 64 team tournament that only their teams play in? every team gets in and is seeded 1-16 and they sell that to cbs or nbc or whatever?

You think a network is going to pay billions for the rights to broadcast a 9-22 Tech Tech versus Duke, or better yet an 13-18 Arizona State versus an 18-13 Northwestern?  You think the Presidents are willing to take that risk, because consultants will absolutely tell them that their tournament will lose value.  Also keep in mind that ESPN also has a long term NCAA deal to broadcast the championships of most olympic sports.  They would have to also hope that they could find a deal for these things too.

do i think all those things? no. that's why i said "i don't at all think that they will break away." but they wouldn't have to get anywhere near what the contract currently is, because the money would only be split between 64 schools.

You're right less mouths to feed, also less pockets to help with the cost associated with running national tornaments, oversight, etc.

why not do the same thing for all sports though? a baseball championship just involving teams from those four conferences? same with swimming, etc.? i mean, it's not impossible to at least consider.  i'm pretty sure espn will still pay money to show the college world series even if it's one that will never have cal st fullerton as a participant.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #23423 on: December 05, 2012, 12:09:57 PM »
I becoming plain to see that 16 is the magical number

4 16 team conferences (PAC 12 picks up 4 from the east coast)

After these form, people realize that it is stupid for the PAC 12 to have east coast teams and say we need to reorganize and have the new conferences make since. Conferences drop dead weight (hope K-State is still strong by then) and pick up school on the outside that are worth it.

Talks of COLUSION and congressional investigations cause the power teams to shed there tax exempt status in favor of Anti-Trust exemption.

NCAA loses influence with these 4 conferences as the presidents of these schools care less about the non power schools (why should they)

The non power schools leave the NCAA and from a new organization.

Power schools roll in dough.

. . . or the power schools leave the NCAA and form their own organization.

In addition, there will be academic bodies that will file suit to have the "power" athletic programs disassociated (and I know about disassociation) from the universities entirely.

This won't happen for a couple of reasons.  First of all a breakaway organization won't be able to fund all of their olympic sports, which means there is a title IX problem.  The revenue from the NCAA tournament allows them to fund all of these sports that lose money.  Completely breaking away is a risky proposition, because whatever TV money they get for a basketball tournament won't get anywhere close to what a NCAA tournament gets because of the sheer volume of content with a 68 team tournament.

I could see them breaking away in football only since the NCAA doesn't do much in FBS football anyway.

Please tell me what part of olympic sports at individual power schools (and fringe power schools) are funded solely by the NCAA tourney. . . I'll help, none.   

The NCAA has a never ending TV contract for the NCAA tourney? 

The current NCAA tourney payout is a known $ figure, and is divided up by a formula. 

At the end of the day, more lucrative TV/Media Deals for conferences/individual schools, playoff and bowl payouts . . . and ultimately their own (new power school league association) basketball tourney payouts will dwarf current and projected NCAA tourney payouts on a school by school payout basis.    Even at lil' ol K-State which benefitted from a nice NCAA tourney payout in FY 2012 has expense outlays for Olympic Sports which far exceed what the NCAA tourney payout is.    John Currie is NOT sitting up in his office waiting for that NCAA tourney payout so he can pay Susie Fritz, or Cliff Revolto.   

Schools like Texas, and many others burn the equivilant of their NCAA tourney payout on buying booze for their private jets.

What are you talking about, they all are.  I'm not talking about funding at the individual schools, I'm talking about funding to run the damn sports.  Money to run a national track and field championship comes from somewhere.  You think running the CWS is free?  You think schools like Duke, Wake Forrest, Baylor, Purdue, and Georgia Tech can afford to foot the bill for these things?  All of that money comes from the NCAA tournament.  Of course schools like Texas have "money to burn" (even though you don't get rich by thinking that way) but there are like 3 schools in the country that can think that way.  At best breaking away for all sports would be a huge risk, anyone who looks at the business of sports knows this.  Stop disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, there is no way that you think that a certain number of schools are going to break away.

Based on the dollars in play, running championship events is a mere drop in the bucket.   That's why there are many who question why the NCAA is allowed to keep their non-profit status.   Based on all the information I have seen, the NCAA now nets about $700 to $800 million dollars a year just off the TV contract for the NCAA tourney, that doesn't count sponsors and everything else.   While renting out the Superdome (for example) or other venues to host national events, and supporting them aren't cheap.   That's not costing the NCAA $700-$800 million a year. 

I am not disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing either.   With the numbers being floated out there for a Football Playoff tv revenues, coupled with major college postseason tourney TV revenues, you're talking well past $1 billion a year.   You can rent a lot of really nice venues, and pay a lot of people to work those events when you're making over a billion bucks just on TV alone.

Again, that's not even counting major corporate sponsors, ticket sales, suite sales, local government incentives (or similar) etc. etc. etc. 


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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #23424 on: December 05, 2012, 12:23:02 PM »
No one has really described the (realistic) mechanics of any material number of programs “breaking away” from the NCAA, and how exactly that would occur w/out serious ramifications.