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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #14325 on: September 23, 2011, 09:07:19 AM »

How did Texas only make $338,171.00 off of 3rd Tier rights in 09-10?????

because they never made appearances on the 3rd tier distribution channels

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« Reply #14326 on: September 23, 2011, 09:12:13 AM »
That sure seems like UT is being reasonable.

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« Reply #14327 on: September 23, 2011, 09:14:37 AM »
That sure seems like UT is being reasonable.
Yeah, they have a point.  It's all about money and it always has been and it always will be.

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« Reply #14328 on: September 23, 2011, 09:16:41 AM »
the MU press is pretty much pushing MU to the SEC.  It's strikingly similar to A&M and their fan base. 

DeArmond with the "we just want stability" line makes them look like rough ridin' fools.  MU started this entire saga.

The lawsuit Ken Starr will hit them with will be epic.

OU doesn’t care enough about the LHN to want it morphed into the B12 Network, they are actually looking at forming a Sooner Network.  Texas isn’t going to budge.  They’re not.  The concessions that UT is willing to make are not going to be enough and MU knows that right now.  They know that their demands aren’t going to fly.  They are gone.  And when that happens, it will get interesting.  Ken will probably sue every citizen in Missouri.

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« Reply #14329 on: September 23, 2011, 09:20:47 AM »
Also, texas complaining about the money their 3rd tier rights generated last year is disingenuous.  Except for the dollar value, I’d call it a flat out lie.  They are always picked up in either the tier1 or tier 2….that’s why ESPN and Fox had to agree to let games slide to the 3rd tier (LHN) this year.  If you never play games on your third tier, you’re not going to make money on it.

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« Reply #14330 on: September 23, 2011, 09:23:18 AM »
who honestly gives a crap about any of this? does mu seriously care about the money texas is going to make of the lhn? if they do then they are just idiots. just absolute fools.

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« Reply #14331 on: September 23, 2011, 09:27:06 AM »
who honestly gives a crap about any of this? does mu seriously care about the money texas is going to make of the lhn? if they do then they are just idiots. just absolute fools.

What’s better for the league?  The LHN or a B12 Network? 

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« Reply #14332 on: September 23, 2011, 09:30:12 AM »
who honestly gives a crap about any of this? does mu seriously care about the money texas is going to make of the lhn? if they do then they are just idiots. just absolute fools.

What’s better for the league?  The LHN or a B12 Network? 

Would rather multiple mini-regional networks.  More oppy for the local people to see the local schools.

I am fine with these type of networks being off limits to sharing. 

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« Reply #14333 on: September 23, 2011, 09:30:37 AM »
also hilarious how much MU hates when people blame them for all of this. Absolutely kills them.
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« Reply #14334 on: September 23, 2011, 09:30:59 AM »
the MU press is pretty much pushing MU to the SEC.  It's strikingly similar to A&M and their fan base. 

DeArmond with the "we just want stability" line makes them look like rough ridin' fools.  MU started this entire saga.

The lawsuit Ken Starr will hit them with will be epic.

OU doesn’t care enough about the LHN to want it morphed into the B12 Network, they are actually looking at forming a Sooner Network.  Texas isn’t going to budge.  They’re not.  The concessions that UT is willing to make are not going to be enough and MU knows that right now.  They know that their demands aren’t going to fly.  They are gone.  And when that happens, it will get interesting.  Ken will probably sue every citizen in Missouri.

He will definitely sue the SEC.  This is way more than ATM, it looks like they came looking for MU.  And if they didn't, MU definitely is liable for sitting on the replacement committee then finding themselves a new deal.  It's like your realtor finding a kickass house at a great price then buying it themselves.

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« Reply #14335 on: September 23, 2011, 09:52:05 AM »
who honestly gives a crap about any of this? does mu seriously care about the money texas is going to make of the lhn? if they do then they are just idiots. just absolute fools.

What’s better for the league?  The LHN or a B12 Network? 

Would rather multiple mini-regional networks.  More oppy for the local people to see the local schools.

I am fine with these type of networks being off limits to sharing. 


that's a great way to brand the big 12.......................................

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« Reply #14336 on: September 23, 2011, 09:53:19 AM »
who honestly gives a crap about any of this? does mu seriously care about the money texas is going to make of the lhn? if they do then they are just idiots. just absolute fools.

What’s better for the league?  The LHN or a B12 Network?  

Would rather multiple mini-regional networks.  More oppy for the local people to see the local schools.

I am fine with these type of networks being off limits to sharing.  


that's a great way to brand the big 12.......................................

Branding is done on tiers 1 & 2.  Tier 3 is about fans seeing games.  

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« Reply #14337 on: September 23, 2011, 10:03:48 AM »
who honestly gives a crap about any of this? does mu seriously care about the money texas is going to make of the lhn? if they do then they are just idiots. just absolute fools.

What’s better for the league?  The LHN or a B12 Network? 

A 3rd tier B12 Network would provide next to no games that the general public wants to watch. It would be a horrible failure. The Big 10 Network is tier 2. There's no reason we can't have a tier 2 Big 12 Network and individual tier 3 networks.

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« Reply #14338 on: September 23, 2011, 10:10:23 AM »
who honestly gives a crap about any of this? does mu seriously care about the money texas is going to make of the lhn? if they do then they are just idiots. just absolute fools.

What’s better for the league?  The LHN or a B12 Network? 

A 3rd tier B12 Network would provide next to no games that the general public wants to watch. It would be a horrible failure. The Big 10 Network is tier 2. There's no reason we can't have a tier 2 Big 12 Network and individual tier 3 networks.


Well, other than that pesky billion dollar tier 2 contract with fox.

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« Reply #14339 on: September 23, 2011, 10:11:33 AM »
It would take a huge commitment from the Big 12 universities to build the infrastructure for the network.  we can't even agree to a committed relationship at this point so I doubt we are going to be throwing in on a huge project like that.  The Big10 network isn't profitable yet but once it is the payout to the schools will be substantially more than it is now.  

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« Reply #14340 on: September 23, 2011, 10:12:01 AM »
who honestly gives a crap about any of this? does mu seriously care about the money texas is going to make of the lhn? if they do then they are just idiots. just absolute fools.

What’s better for the league?  The LHN or a B12 Network? 

A 3rd tier B12 Network would provide next to no games that the general public wants to watch. It would be a horrible failure. The Big 10 Network is tier 2. There's no reason we can't have a tier 2 Big 12 Network and individual tier 3 networks.


Well, other than that pesky billion dollar tier 2 contract with fox.

Yeah. The choice really is between a Big 12 network and a Fox tier 2 contract, not the Big 12 network and the LHN.

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« Reply #14341 on: September 23, 2011, 10:12:17 AM »
who honestly gives a crap about any of this? does mu seriously care about the money texas is going to make of the lhn? if they do then they are just idiots. just absolute fools.

What’s better for the league?  The LHN or a B12 Network? 

A 3rd tier B12 Network would provide next to no games that the general public wants to watch. It would be a horrible failure. The Big 10 Network is tier 2. There's no reason we can't have a tier 2 Big 12 Network and individual tier 3 networks.

Well, other than that pesky billion dollar tier 2 contract with fox.

people are retards about this stuff

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« Reply #14342 on: September 23, 2011, 10:12:51 AM »
Big XII network would make $$ if they just put the K-State vs. Xavier Sweet 16 game on repeat.

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« Reply #14343 on: September 23, 2011, 10:14:58 AM »
Ken Starr has no case against Mizzou if the Big 12 stays intact, right?

Or the SEC.

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« Reply #14344 on: September 23, 2011, 10:16:13 AM »
Ken Starr has no case against Mizzou if the Big 12 stays intact, right?

Or the SEC.

I dont' think so, I think the case is based on lost revenue because of tampering?

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« Reply #14345 on: September 23, 2011, 10:39:17 AM »
It would take a huge commitment from the Big 12 universities to build the infrastructure for the network.  we can't even agree to a committed relationship at this point so I doubt we are going to be throwing in on a huge project like that.  The Big10 network isn't profitable yet but once it is the payout to the schools will be substantially more than it is now.  

Kinda already built with LHN, correct?  Ensure UT gets “reimbursed” for those costs and gets a “management fee” and then start putting games on.  Especially if we get to 12, the inventory becomes such that there will be football games on it.  Just no OU or Texas.  And KU having to play on that for basketball will be huge (Texas would probably play basketball on it as well).  From Iowa to Texas we’d have subscribers.  As much as the Big 10?  No, but enough….especially for a tier 3 deal. 

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« Reply #14346 on: September 23, 2011, 10:44:12 AM »
i like the idea of teams getting to control their own tier three rights and think that forcing equal revenue sharing on teams that are part of a conference that has never had equal revenue sharing is stupid and lame. just let them have it. wgaf? nobody would care if they were doing something like kstate but they aren't because they don't have to and now everybody is all mad or something. it's just petty and ridiculous. also pathetic.

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« Reply #14347 on: September 23, 2011, 10:56:34 AM »
i like the idea of teams getting to control their own tier three rights and think that forcing equal revenue sharing on teams that are part of a conference that has never had equal revenue sharing is stupid and lame. just let them have it. wgaf? nobody would care if they were doing something like kstate but they aren't because they don't have to and now everybody is all mad or something. it's just petty and ridiculous. also pathetic.

And that’s why MU is going to leave.  They are going to use the LHN as a reason. 

Nobody, I mean nobody, is expanding on the 6 year grant of rights (alleged) agreement….which is that it not only gets you through the next negotiation, but that during that next negotiation something similar will get put into place (i.e. granting of rights for a period of time if you leave).  Only this time, with the new contract, you’d be giving up a crap ton  more than you woud now (even though now is a lot).  I think the conference would be better served to have a big12 network. 

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« Reply #14348 on: September 23, 2011, 11:05:22 AM »
i like the idea of teams getting to control their own tier three rights and think that forcing equal revenue sharing on teams that are part of a conference that has never had equal revenue sharing is stupid and lame. just let them have it. wgaf? nobody would care if they were doing something like kstate but they aren't because they don't have to and now everybody is all mad or something. it's just petty and ridiculous. also pathetic.

And that’s why MU is going to leave.  They are going to use the LHN as a reason.  

Nobody, I mean nobody, is expanding on the 6 year grant of rights (alleged) agreement….which is that it not only gets you through the next negotiation, but that during that next negotiation something similar will get put into place (i.e. granting of rights for a period of time if you leave).  Only this time, with the new contract, you’d be giving up a crap ton  more than you woud now (even though now is a lot).  I think the conference would be better served to have a big12 network.  

I think you overestimate MU's ability to bolt.  If they do, OU and UT will say that they will dissolve the conference, it's MU's fault, and they'll point Ken Starr right at them
They are being held hostage, and I think that was why Deaton sounded like he did last night.

If we get shared Tier 1, Tier 2, and LHN has restrictions on HS games and broadcasting football and men's basketball games, it's a good deal.  We will all get filthy rich, MU can compete I'm this league, and no one gets sued.

If they volunteer to leave and go to the SEC, it will get legal real fast.  Slive knows this.

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« Reply #14349 on: September 23, 2011, 11:18:04 AM »
IMO, I've come to the conclusion that the legal threats are just that.  threats.  in the end, lawyers will get fees, that's who will get any worthwhile money.