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« Reply #12826 on: September 19, 2011, 03:01:30 PM »
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

oh, man.  we're effed.

I seriously question the results of any analysis that says we have less fans than Iowa State.

I mean JFC.

And all you need to do is look at the photos of a KU/KSU game to realize that there are more KSU football fans in the region than KU football fans.  I mean for God's sakes, their stadium is at least 25% KSU fans when the game happens.

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« Reply #12828 on: September 19, 2011, 03:04:18 PM »
They were just talking about this on Finebaum, and even Auburn fans were calling in saying there isn't a chance in hell that there's more Auburn fans than Alabama fans.  Finebaum also wasn't buying the Rutgers numbers in NYC amongst other things.


http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

oh, man.  we're effed.

I seriously question the results of any analysis that says we have less fans than Iowa State.

I mean JFC.

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« Reply #12829 on: September 19, 2011, 03:05:04 PM »
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

oh, man.  we're effed.

I seriously question the results of any analysis that says we have less fans than Iowa State.

I mean JFC.

or central florida. Arizona is crazy low, too.

we're ahead of some other low dwellers. I mean Washington State?  wow thats low.
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12830 on: September 19, 2011, 03:06:03 PM »
They were just talking about this on Finebaum, and even Auburn fans were calling in saying there isn't a chance in hell that there's more Auburn fans than Alabama fans.  Finebaum also wasn't buying the Rutgers numbers in NYC amongst other things.


http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

oh, man.  we're effed.

I seriously question the results of any analysis that says we have less fans than Iowa State.

I mean JFC.

Could be more Auburn fans.  It's just that Bama fans are all loudmouthed dicks so you notice them more.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12831 on: September 19, 2011, 03:06:17 PM »
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

oh, man.  we're effed.

I seriously question the results of any analysis that says we have less fans than Iowa State.

I mean JFC.

And all you need to do is look at the photos of a KU/KSU game to realize that there are more KSU football fans in the region than KU football fans.  I mean for God's sakes, their stadium is at least 25% KSU fans when the game happens.

Exactly.  Casual vs. Passionate fans are big in terms of revenue.  1 passionate fan who buys tickets and watches every game is worth 10 casual fans who maybe watch 1 game a year.

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« Reply #12832 on: September 19, 2011, 03:06:27 PM »
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

oh, man.  we're effed.

I seriously question the results of any analysis that says we have less fans than Iowa State.

I mean JFC.

or central florida. Arizona is crazy low, too.

we're ahead of some other low dwellers. I mean Washington State?  wow thats low.

There are more Colorado Rapids fans than there are Colorado Buffaloes fans.

I'm glad I pretty much buzzed through the analysis portion and skipped to the numbers.  What a waste of time.

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« Reply #12833 on: September 19, 2011, 03:07:52 PM »
I will say that I have never seen more team apparel than in Northern Alabama, 120 miles from Tuscaloosa. Bama fans are rough ridin' insane.

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« Reply #12834 on: September 19, 2011, 03:08:56 PM »
Just asked someone who used to do a lot of business with Auburn that works in one of our offices, and she said that while both schools have a lot of bandwagon fans, Bama has a lot more.


They were just talking about this on Finebaum, and even Auburn fans were calling in saying there isn't a chance in hell that there's more Auburn fans than Alabama fans.  Finebaum also wasn't buying the Rutgers numbers in NYC amongst other things.


http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

oh, man.  we're effed.

I seriously question the results of any analysis that says we have less fans than Iowa State.

I mean JFC.

Could be more Auburn fans.  It's just that Bama fans are all loudmouthed dicks so you notice them more.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12835 on: September 19, 2011, 03:11:37 PM »
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

oh, man.  we're effed.

Those numbers are pretty suspect. Auburn has great fans but no way they out number the 6 schools behind them on that list.

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« Reply #12836 on: September 19, 2011, 03:18:10 PM »
woof, you miss a day on goEMAW.com and you miss a ton.

someone give me the cliffs of the last 25 pages.  (i realize that Pitt and Cuse are going ACC, but thats it)

No much else. Just lots of speculation on what the final alignment will be. OU and OSU look to be PAC for sure, Texas and Tech still working out the details. Notre Dame might join Big10, but keep NBC contract.  If PAC and ACC go to 16, SEC and Big10 might have their hand forced if they want to be included in the playoff system (assuming that's where the super conferences are headed). It's hard to see us not being one of the 64 if crap starts flying, but the SEC and Big10 have little incentive to reach 16 outside of a playoff system.


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You forgot the MiR/Chingon fight, but good otherwise.

I didn't argue with Chingon about anything, can't see that happening, he forms coherent thoughts.  I argued with a simp who dumbed down a Chingon talking point.
Good god you are a stupid eff.  You can't even respond coherently when you get called out. 

You keep repeating yourself, there's nothing left to say.  You think the big money for a playoff just appeared yesterday, as if the UPs haven't seen the networks shelling out billions of dollars for March Madness.  You also are not seeming to grasp that the same people who have blocked a playoff are the same people who are leading this realignment.  College football has slowly become more and more exclusive since the '40s and college football has not moved to a playoff.  You still haven't given a reason why excluding three more schools would make them change their mind.

Even if you believe that we're going to a 64 team model, I don't, there is not more tv money in a pool of 64 than a pool of 67 schools.  It's really simple.  Do you think the NCAA tournament would gain value if they kept the tournament the same but didn't give auto bids to the SWAC, MEAC, and the Patriot League?  The answer is no because those leagues don't add value to the contract.  The three schools left out of a 64 team model don't matter even now, leaving Baylor, K-State, and UCF won't add value.  Having UT, USC, Alabama, and ND do.  There is nothing preventing that from happening now.
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I keep repeating myself because I'm clearly not explaining it right to you.  My bad.  

You keep going back to money being the deciding factor and that playoff money has always been there, but UPs/ADs make more (cash/fringe benefits) through bowls.  First paradigm shift.  Conference regular season.  The reason why you can't compare CBB and CFB is due to the regular season.  For all intensive purposes CFB is the 2nd most popular regular season sport in America, over MLB and over NBA.  With conference realignment CFB regular season's value skyrockets dramatically.  New TV deals, and most importantly, what no one thought of before the potential for school networks or state networks.  Fox Sports has ventured into this area for baseball but no one thought it would happen for college sports.  This is yet another area the NCAA has failed to act to provide direction to member schools.  

2nd paradigm shift: Playoffs.  Yes playoffs have offered money but it would be a massive landscape change to alter the bowl world.  As you correctly said, crap tons of money, tie-ins and tradition.  Now if we go to 64 teams it makes the math incredibly easy.  Whys is this better than current system?  BSU/TCU if included would have no room to bitch.  Currently the major powers risk too much to take the top 4 or 8 teams because it would most certainly include dark horse teams which could upset their way to a national championship.  Through a 64 team based pod system it almost assuredly guarantees blue bloods getting to the top of pods through their distinct advantages in a balanced schedule world.  That is where the shift comes into play.  The world is now balanced.  There is no way to excluded teams due to perception of schedule.  The math/odds make sure of that.  

3rd Paradigm Money: For one money would dramatically increase as noted in the regular season.  The SEC and ACC already have deals worth hundreds of millions with their current members.  NO WAY would the value of regular season not increase with the addition of new schools to these conferences.  The idea of TV money staying static is laughable.  These power conference would have no deals the day after they were created.  Secondarily due to the size of these conferences there is a good chance ESPN/FSC would create more state specific channels (already rumored with OK) and regional TV channels.  Those tier 2 and 3 rights would be huge windfalls for schools like K-State and massive recruiting tools for UT.  

3B: Why there is more money in CFB playoff instead of CBB.  Right now the NCAA is silent.  As we know the money from march madness is sucked up by the NCAA. The bowl system prevented the NCAA from vacuuming up that money.  With the changing landscape of conferences there is no way the NCAA gets into that wallet because I honestly speculate that if they tried the schools would buck the NCAA out of existence.  We would see an increase in the value of regular season games and the playoff system which, as discussed is very clean, would replace the BCS and all of that money plus more would go directly to the schools.  The smaller bowls would still be in existence for the K-States of the world.  Now you have a system where UPs and ADs could reap the HUGE benefits of a playoff and the smaller UPs and ADs would reap the increased value of their regular season on a pod system and have just as much money, if not more in a refined bowl system.  The money doesn't increase because of exclusion.  The money increases because it is now concentrated into 4 bodies of value instead of being dispersed throughout 5, 6, 7 leagues like it is for basketball.  Those 64 teams are a threat to each other.  The magic of March Madness is based on upsets, which would never happen with the frequency and range in CFC as it does in CBB.  
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12837 on: September 19, 2011, 03:20:20 PM »
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« Reply #12838 on: September 19, 2011, 03:26:11 PM »
Texas reagents now in executive meeting.  Hopefully whatever happens, happens today.  I'm sick of all this.

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« Reply #12839 on: September 19, 2011, 03:27:20 PM »
Not buying those Texas Tech numbers either . . . really?


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« Reply #12840 on: September 19, 2011, 03:28:15 PM »
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« Reply #12841 on: September 19, 2011, 03:30:08 PM »
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« Reply #12842 on: September 19, 2011, 03:31:49 PM »
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That's good. We need to collect the buyout money before we SECede.

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« Reply #12843 on: September 19, 2011, 03:35:24 PM »
Texas reagents now in executive meeting.  Hopefully whatever happens, happens today.  I'm sick of all this.

Would we then say that OU is the catalyst for the current round of Big 12 realignment?

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« Reply #12844 on: September 19, 2011, 03:35:54 PM »
woof, you miss a day on goEMAW.com and you miss a ton.

someone give me the cliffs of the last 25 pages.  (i realize that Pitt and Cuse are going ACC, but thats it)

No much else. Just lots of speculation on what the final alignment will be. OU and OSU look to be PAC for sure, Texas and Tech still working out the details. Notre Dame might join Big10, but keep NBC contract.  If PAC and ACC go to 16, SEC and Big10 might have their hand forced if they want to be included in the playoff system (assuming that's where the super conferences are headed). It's hard to see us not being one of the 64 if crap starts flying, but the SEC and Big10 have little incentive to reach 16 outside of a playoff system.


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You forgot the MiR/Chingon fight, but good otherwise.

I didn't argue with Chingon about anything, can't see that happening, he forms coherent thoughts.  I argued with a simp who dumbed down a Chingon talking point.
Good god you are a stupid eff.  You can't even respond coherently when you get called out. 

You keep repeating yourself, there's nothing left to say.  You think the big money for a playoff just appeared yesterday, as if the UPs haven't seen the networks shelling out billions of dollars for March Madness.  You also are not seeming to grasp that the same people who have blocked a playoff are the same people who are leading this realignment.  College football has slowly become more and more exclusive since the '40s and college football has not moved to a playoff.  You still haven't given a reason why excluding three more schools would make them change their mind.

Even if you believe that we're going to a 64 team model, I don't, there is not more tv money in a pool of 64 than a pool of 67 schools.  It's really simple.  Do you think the NCAA tournament would gain value if they kept the tournament the same but didn't give auto bids to the SWAC, MEAC, and the Patriot League?  The answer is no because those leagues don't add value to the contract.  The three schools left out of a 64 team model don't matter even now, leaving Baylor, K-State, and UCF won't add value.  Having UT, USC, Alabama, and ND do.  There is nothing preventing that from happening now.
Sorry for the odd bump fellas

I keep repeating myself because I'm clearly not explaining it right to you.  My bad.  

You keep going back to money being the deciding factor and that playoff money has always been there, but UPs/ADs make more (cash/fringe benefits) through bowls.  First paradigm shift.  Conference regular season.  The reason why you can't compare CBB and CFB is due to the regular season.  For all intensive purposes CFB is the 2nd most popular regular season sport in America, over MLB and over NBA.  With conference realignment CFB regular season's value skyrockets dramatically.  New TV deals, and most importantly, what no one thought of before the potential for school networks or state networks.  Fox Sports has ventured into this area for baseball but no one thought it would happen for college sports.  This is yet another area the NCAA has failed to act to provide direction to member schools.  

2nd paradigm shift: Playoffs.  Yes playoffs have offered money but it would be a massive landscape change to alter the bowl world.  As you correctly said, crap tons of money, tie-ins and tradition.  Now if we go to 64 teams it makes the math incredibly easy.  Whys is this better than current system?  BSU/TCU if included would have no room to bitch.  Currently the major powers risk too much to take the top 4 or 8 teams because it would most certainly include dark horse teams which could upset their way to a national championship.  Through a 64 team based pod system it almost assuredly guarantees blue bloods getting to the top of pods through their distinct advantages in a balanced schedule world.  That is where the shift comes into play.  The world is now balanced.  There is no way to excluded teams due to perception of schedule.  The math/odds make sure of that.  

3rd Paradigm Money: For one money would dramatically increase as noted in the regular season.  The SEC and ACC already have deals worth hundreds of millions with their current members.  NO WAY would the value of regular season not increase with the addition of new schools to these conferences.  The idea of TV money staying static is laughable.  These power conference would have no deals the day after they were created.  Secondarily due to the size of these conferences there is a good chance ESPN/FSC would create more state specific channels (already rumored with OK) and regional TV channels.  Those tier 2 and 3 rights would be huge windfalls for schools like K-State and massive recruiting tools for UT.  

3B: Why there is more money in CFB playoff instead of CBB.  Right now the NCAA is silent.  As we know the money from march madness is sucked up by the NCAA. The bowl system prevented the NCAA from vacuuming up that money.  With the changing landscape of conferences there is no way the NCAA gets into that wallet because I honestly speculate that if they tried the schools would buck the NCAA out of existence.  We would see an increase in the value of regular season games and the playoff system which, as discussed is very clean, would replace the BCS and all of that money plus more would go directly to the schools.  The smaller bowls would still be in existence for the K-States of the world.  Now you have a system where UPs and ADs could reap the HUGE benefits of a playoff and the smaller UPs and ADs would reap the increased value of their regular season on a pod system and have just as much money, if not more in a refined bowl system.  The money doesn't increase because of exclusion.  The money increases because it is now concentrated into 4 bodies of value instead of being dispersed throughout 5, 6, 7 leagues like it is for basketball.  Those 64 teams are a threat to each other.  The magic of March Madness is based on upsets, which would never happen with the frequency and range in CFC as it does in CBB.  

I could see a situation where if you're a part of the group of 64 (should it come to that), you would see every single conference game televised for every single conference.  You would have 32 games a week.  Spread that out from Th-Sat on ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, ABC, Fox, etc., and you will see every major conference have their games on TV.

If you have a setup where each 16 team conference has four pods, the winner of each pod could be elevated to a mini-conf. champ game.  Like a regional final.  Then the winners face off for a conference championship where the winners go play in the Final Four, which is essentially "The Playoff".  Pac-16 champ vs. Big Ten champ.  ACC champ vs. SEC champ.  Winners play for National Title in a rotating location.

12 game regular season ends after Thanksgiving.  First week of December is Pod Playoff games.  Second week is Conf. Championship games.  January 1 is Final Four.  Two week wait, and Third Week of January is the +1 Championship.

The money would be pretty sick.

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« Reply #12845 on: September 19, 2011, 03:36:05 PM »
Texas reagents now in executive meeting.  Hopefully whatever happens, happens today.  I'm sick of all this.

Would we then say that OU is the catalyst for the current round of Big 12 realignment?

no! it was Pitt and Syracuse catching the noble sooners off guard while trying to save the Big 12!

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« Reply #12846 on: September 19, 2011, 03:36:42 PM »
Has the OU meeting wrapped up yet?  What happened?

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« Reply #12847 on: September 19, 2011, 03:39:46 PM »
Texas reagents now in executive meeting.  Hopefully whatever happens, happens today.  I'm sick of all this.

Would we then say that OU is the catalyst for the current round of Big 12 realignment?


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« Reply #12848 on: September 19, 2011, 03:41:26 PM »
Has the OU meeting wrapped up yet?  What happened?

Rumblings that Toothless Dracula was given authority for conference decision making.

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« Reply #12849 on: September 19, 2011, 03:41:39 PM »
Texas reagents now in executive meeting.  Hopefully whatever happens, happens today.  I'm sick of all this.

Would we then say that OU is the catalyst for the current round of Big 12 realignment?

no! it was Pitt and Syracuse catching the noble sooners off guard while trying to save the Big 12!

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A&M: We’re leaving.
Big XII: WTF? Ok, we’re getting aggressive! Let’s start contacting prospective members!
Oklahoma: Eh, I don’t know. We may leave. Or not. Who knows?
Big XII: WTF? We already sent the invitations!
Pitt: OK then, we’ll go to the ACC.
Oklahoma: (throws up hands) We just can’t take this instability anymore! We’re out!
Big XII: W-T-F???
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