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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12500 on: September 18, 2011, 11:29:22 PM »
So it's Texas or nobody at all.  Well played, Mr. Scott.  

no. they were going to move with or without Texas.

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« Reply #12501 on: September 18, 2011, 11:32:28 PM »
I wonder what ol' cowboy thinks about all this and how it will impact 'bama http://www.youtube.com/user/cowboyintn1979

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« Reply #12502 on: September 18, 2011, 11:34:18 PM »
I feel like Nuts Kicked is on the right path here. Big 10 has no reason to expand unless they get ND, Nubb was a good pickup and will earn them more money overall. Adding anyone but ND won't do that. (except Texas/OU but eff you that seems very unlikely). Posters keep trying to shove more schools into the Big 10 but frankly, I don't think they will expand.

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« Reply #12503 on: September 18, 2011, 11:34:39 PM »
woof, you miss a day on goEMAW.com and you miss a ton.

someone give me the cliffs of the last 25 pages.  (i realize that Pitt and Cuse are going ACC, but thats it)

No much else. Just lots of speculation on what the final alignment will be. OU and OSU look to be PAC for sure, Texas and Tech still working out the details. Notre Dame might join Big10, but keep NBC contract.  If PAC and ACC go to 16, SEC and Big10 might have their hand forced if they want to be included in the playoff system (assuming that's where the super conferences are headed). It's hard to see us not being one of the 64 if crap starts flying, but the SEC and Big10 have little incentive to reach 16 outside of a playoff system.


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You forgot the MiR/Chingon fight, but good otherwise.

I didn't argue with Chingon about anything, can't see that happening, he forms coherent thoughts.  I argued with a simp who dumbed down a Chingon talking point.

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« Reply #12504 on: September 18, 2011, 11:36:26 PM »
woof, you miss a day on goEMAW.com and you miss a ton.

someone give me the cliffs of the last 25 pages.  (i realize that Pitt and Cuse are going ACC, but thats it)

No much else. Just lots of speculation on what the final alignment will be. OU and OSU look to be PAC for sure, Texas and Tech still working out the details. Notre Dame might join Big10, but keep NBC contract.  If PAC and ACC go to 16, SEC and Big10 might have their hand forced if they want to be included in the playoff system (assuming that's where the super conferences are headed). It's hard to see us not being one of the 64 if crap starts flying, but the SEC and Big10 have little incentive to reach 16 outside of a playoff system.


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You forgot the MiR/Chingon fight, but good otherwise.

I didn't argue with Chingon about anything, can't see that happening, he forms coherent thoughts.  I argued with a simp who dumbed down a Chingon talking point.

I stand corrected. It was like 4 pages ago, which seems like a lifetime.
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« Reply #12505 on: September 18, 2011, 11:37:46 PM »
woof, you miss a day on goEMAW.com and you miss a ton.

someone give me the cliffs of the last 25 pages.  (i realize that Pitt and Cuse are going ACC, but thats it)

No much else. Just lots of speculation on what the final alignment will be. OU and OSU look to be PAC for sure, Texas and Tech still working out the details. Notre Dame might join Big10, but keep NBC contract.  If PAC and ACC go to 16, SEC and Big10 might have their hand forced if they want to be included in the playoff system (assuming that's where the super conferences are headed). It's hard to see us not being one of the 64 if crap starts flying, but the SEC and Big10 have little incentive to reach 16 outside of a playoff system.


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You forgot the MiR/Chingon fight, but good otherwise.

I didn't argue with Chingon about anything, can't see that happening, he forms coherent thoughts.  I argued with a simp who dumbed down a Chingon talking point.
Good god you are a stupid eff.  You can't even respond coherently when you get called out. 
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« Reply #12506 on: September 18, 2011, 11:40:42 PM »
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« Reply #12507 on: September 18, 2011, 11:42:33 PM »
Still think the Pac will get mumped when its all said and done. If they get some collection of the big 12 without TX they have struck out again.
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« Reply #12508 on: September 18, 2011, 11:43:09 PM »
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Also, A&M president R. Bowen Loftin, during PPV game with Idaho, said he expected Aggies to complete SEC membership within several days.

Meh. It doesn't really matter when it gets completed, does it? I think it's pretty apparent they are no longer a member of the Big 12.

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« Reply #12509 on: September 18, 2011, 11:44:37 PM »
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I kinda imagine it looking like this
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« Reply #12510 on: September 18, 2011, 11:45:19 PM »

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« Reply #12511 on: September 18, 2011, 11:45:37 PM »
Still think the Pac will get mumped when its all said and done. If they get some collection of the big 12 without TX they have struck out again.

According to ESPN, Texas to the pac is all but done.

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« Reply #12512 on: September 18, 2011, 11:47:12 PM »

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« Reply #12513 on: September 18, 2011, 11:52:22 PM »
Still think the Pac will get mumped when its all said and done. If they get some collection of the big 12 without TX they have struck out again.
well it looks like they are going to get texas but even if they didn't, they didn't strike out. their end game was sixteen teams and the entire western half of the us. ou, osu, tech and someone else would have given them that. i mean, acc is probably going to add uconn for christ sakes. texas has lhn and has probably been trying to keep it and pac is like no and they are like yeah and pac is like no and so that's when you hear texas to acc and all the other weird/not making sense things which maybe gave texas more leverage in trying to get exactly what they want from pac, but once pac got ou, osu and tech it was probably over. texas is arrogant but not stupid.
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« Reply #12514 on: September 18, 2011, 11:53:51 PM »
Still think the Pac will get mumped when its all said and done. If they get some collection of the big 12 without TX they have struck out again.

I'm really sick of posts like this.

Being a KSU fan has made me insanely empathetic. Let's hope that's a good thing.

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« Reply #12515 on: September 19, 2011, 12:04:44 AM »
woof, you miss a day on goEMAW.com and you miss a ton.

someone give me the cliffs of the last 25 pages.  (i realize that Pitt and Cuse are going ACC, but thats it)

No much else. Just lots of speculation on what the final alignment will be. OU and OSU look to be PAC for sure, Texas and Tech still working out the details. Notre Dame might join Big10, but keep NBC contract.  If PAC and ACC go to 16, SEC and Big10 might have their hand forced if they want to be included in the playoff system (assuming that's where the super conferences are headed). It's hard to see us not being one of the 64 if crap starts flying, but the SEC and Big10 have little incentive to reach 16 outside of a playoff system.


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You forgot the MiR/Chingon fight, but good otherwise.

I didn't argue with Chingon about anything, can't see that happening, he forms coherent thoughts.  I argued with a simp who dumbed down a Chingon talking point.
Good god you are a stupid eff.  You can't even respond coherently when you get called out. 

You keep repeating yourself, there's nothing left to say.  You think the big money for a playoff just appeared yesterday, as if the UPs haven't seen the networks shelling out billions of dollars for March Madness.  You also are not seeming to grasp that the same people who have blocked a playoff are the same people who are leading this realignment.  College football has slowly become more and more exclusive since the '40s and college football has not moved to a playoff.  You still haven't given a reason why excluding three more schools would make them change their mind.

Even if you believe that we're going to a 64 team model, I don't, there is not more tv money in a pool of 64 than a pool of 67 schools.  It's really simple.  Do you think the NCAA tournament would gain value if they kept the tournament the same but didn't give auto bids to the SWAC, MEAC, and the Patriot League?  The answer is no because those leagues don't add value to the contract.  The three schools left out of a 64 team model don't matter even now, leaving Baylor, K-State, and UCF won't add value.  Having UT, USC, Alabama, and ND do.  There is nothing preventing that from happening now.

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« Reply #12516 on: September 19, 2011, 12:47:31 AM »
woof, you miss a day on goEMAW.com and you miss a ton.

someone give me the cliffs of the last 25 pages.  (i realize that Pitt and Cuse are going ACC, but thats it)

No much else. Just lots of speculation on what the final alignment will be. OU and OSU look to be PAC for sure, Texas and Tech still working out the details. Notre Dame might join Big10, but keep NBC contract.  If PAC and ACC go to 16, SEC and Big10 might have their hand forced if they want to be included in the playoff system (assuming that's where the super conferences are headed). It's hard to see us not being one of the 64 if crap starts flying, but the SEC and Big10 have little incentive to reach 16 outside of a playoff system.


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You forgot the MiR/Chingon fight, but good otherwise.

I didn't argue with Chingon about anything, can't see that happening, he forms coherent thoughts.  I argued with a simp who dumbed down a Chingon talking point.
Good god you are a stupid eff.  You can't even respond coherently when you get called out. 

You keep repeating yourself, there's nothing left to say.  You think the big money for a playoff just appeared yesterday, as if the UPs haven't seen the networks shelling out billions of dollars for March Madness.  You also are not seeming to grasp that the same people who have blocked a playoff are the same people who are leading this realignment.  College football has slowly become more and more exclusive since the '40s and college football has not moved to a playoff.  You still haven't given a reason why excluding three more schools would make them change their mind.

Even if you believe that we're going to a 64 team model, I don't, there is not more tv money in a pool of 64 than a pool of 67 schools.  It's really simple.  Do you think the NCAA tournament would gain value if they kept the tournament the same but didn't give auto bids to the SWAC, MEAC, and the Patriot League?  The answer is no because those leagues don't add value to the contract.  The three schools left out of a 64 team model don't matter even now, leaving Baylor, K-State, and UCF won't add value.  Having UT, USC, Alabama, and ND do.  There is nothing preventing that from happening now.

Apologies for being a bit tuck and long winded in this, but what YOU keep failing to realize is that your whole argument of "they've been rejecting for years, so they're going to keep doing the same" is outdated and very Beebish. Perhaps I can help you see the light:

1.) All the "studies" you referenced are old and do not reflect the current/future environment. No one predicted, even 10 years ago, that the contracts would encompass this much money. The NFL has done all the schools a huge favor by making football the most popular sport in America. So all this "they knew about the money..." Yes, they knew, but they had no idea. Also, referencing March Madness as being even somewhat analogous to a future FB playoff is misleading. The money for March Madness all goes to the NCAA, not so much the universities.

2.) The future of higher educations has DRASTICALLY changed in the last 5-10 years. What IS the future environment for many higher education institutions? Decreasing contributions from their respective states - at an accelerating rate. More pressure to lower tuition. Decreasing contributions from Fed gov. research funding. Our Govt's, Fed and state, are all broke. Why do you think UT is holding on the LHN like it has been? Academic support from athletic activities is how many of these UPs envision supporting their schools' academic mission. Well, that, and going private. I work for one of our private sister schools, and the lack of future cash flow is even a hot topic for them.

3.) There is a TON more money in a playoff system than the current bowl system. The conferences will likely succeed from the NCAA if they go 4x16 (although I'm not convinced th 4x16 will happen), but even if they don't succeed, going to the 4 pod system, as referenced earlier, creates a HUGE negotiation advantage for the conferences. Instead of each network negotiating with some drunk bowl rep, they will have to deal with 1 or all of the four super conferences in negotiating rates for the playoff games. This provides the universities a unified approach as opposed to the current piecemeal approach via the traditional bowl system.

As was stated earlier. The paradigm has shifted. A future environment of universities with dwindling endowments has forced their hands into realignment waters they were not willing to wade into previously.

Looking fwd to another deprecating response...

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« Reply #12517 on: September 19, 2011, 01:35:46 AM »
So if I understand this correctly, our only hope right now is that the SEC is chomping at the bit to crack the Dodge City/Garden City markets.*   :goodbyecruelworld:



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« Reply #12518 on: September 19, 2011, 01:44:11 AM »

Apologies for being a bit tuck and long winded in this, but what YOU keep failing to realize is that your whole argument of "they've been rejecting for years, so they're going to keep doing the same" is outdated and very Beebish. Perhaps I can help you see the light:

1.) All the "studies" you referenced are old and do not reflect the current/future environment. No one predicted, even 10 years ago, that the contracts would encompass this much money. The NFL has done all the schools a huge favor by making football the most popular sport in America. So all this "they knew about the money..." Yes, they knew, but they had no idea. Also, referencing March Madness as being even somewhat analogous to a future FB playoff is misleading. The money for March Madness all goes to the NCAA, not so much the universities.

2.) The future of higher educations has DRASTICALLY changed in the last 5-10 years. What IS the future environment for many higher education institutions? Decreasing contributions from their respective states - at an accelerating rate. More pressure to lower tuition. Decreasing contributions from Fed gov. research funding. Our Govt's, Fed and state, are all broke. Why do you think UT is holding on the LHN like it has been? Academic support from athletic activities is how many of these UPs envision supporting their schools' academic mission. Well, that, and going private. I work for one of our private sister schools, and the lack of future cash flow is even a hot topic for them.

3.) There is a TON more money in a playoff system than the current bowl system. The conferences will likely succeed from the NCAA if they go 4x16 (although I'm not convinced th 4x16 will happen), but even if they don't succeed, going to the 4 pod system, as referenced earlier, creates a HUGE negotiation advantage for the conferences. Instead of each network negotiating with some drunk bowl rep, they will have to deal with 1 or all of the four super conferences in negotiating rates for the playoff games. This provides the universities a unified approach as opposed to the current piecemeal approach via the traditional bowl system.

As was stated earlier. The paradigm has shifted. A future environment of universities with dwindling endowments has forced their hands into realignment waters they were not willing to wade into previously.

Looking fwd to another deprecating response...

Even though I've addressed these points I appreciative the bullets it makes this easier to deal with.

1. I said like four times, as far as for the purposes of a playoff the climate of college football isn't any different at all.  It only seems different to K-Staters because we may be the ones left behind this time.  Conference realignment has happened several times and every time it has excluded not included.  Again if you think that there is a grand conspiracy to go 4x16 there is no precedent to think it has anything to do with a playoff.  You can be of the opinion of it may happen but history is not on your side.  There has yet to be anything that is happening in this round of realignment that hasn't happened already.  When the Big 12, ACC, and Big East all expanded in the 90s/00s they greatly expanded their geographical footprint and screwed other schools by doing so.

As for the march madness analogy I think you missed the point.  I'm well aware where that money goes, this conversation works better if you don't assume I'm an idiot.  The point is that the ADs and UPs see the amount of money involved, they also know that they would get more and they wouldn't have to share that with 300+ institutions.  That didn't become a development when the ACC welcomed Syracuse & Pitt.  It's been a reality for years yet these people have said thanks but no thanks, but because Joe Shaad thinks we should go to a 4x16 + a playoff they are going to do it?  Again the precedent is on my side.

2. I don't know where you are going with this or what it has to do with the conversation.  You can't possibly think that most are making any of these decisions with academics in mind.  If thus has anything to do with academics then we can expect the Pac to reject the south four as a package deal.  Anytime someone talks about this stuff in accordance with academics a little puppy dies.

3. I'm well aware there is huge money in a playoff system.  Why do people keep pointing this out, I've said it several times and it proves my point.  The UPs same the ADs keep turning their back on the money.  They very well may secede from the NCAA if they go 4x16 but if they do it won't have anything to do with a football playoff, they don't have to share that money.  If they break away it will be to have their own basketball tourney and so they can pay athletes.  You mentioned academics and endowments, why don't you realize that if they break away from the NCAA they will also have to break from the academic body of the university?  You think the thousands of left over NCAA institutions are going to let those 64 schools keep all the money generated by sports but and get all of that federal grant money?  We have anti-trust laws in this country.  That money generated from the march madness television contract funds NCAA sports on all levels from FBS schools to D-III schools.  You have talking points in conflict with one another.

Also you seem to be under the impression that the schools have an issue dealing with "drunk bowl reps.". Who in the hell do you think empowers bowls and their reps?  It's the conferences and the schools.  It's exactly my point, our current system is in place simply because the schools want it, and its the same schools and conferences driving this realignment.  You need to read Death to the BCS, its quick and easy.  If you don't do that read up on the Fiesta Bowl scandal and look at how they spent their money.  The conferences don't see bowl reps the way you and I do, they are in a symbotic relationship.
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« Reply #12519 on: September 19, 2011, 01:46:45 AM »
I don't know if this has been posted yet, but it sounds as if the Pac-12 presidents need only approve and UT/Tech/OU/OSU are gone.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/sources-plan-could-bring-ut-three-others-from-1865834.html?cxtype=rss_longhorns

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The governing boards of regents for Texas and Oklahoma will meet today to authorize university presidents Powers and David Boren to act on their schools' behalf regarding conference realignment. After that, the Pac-12 presidents would meet to voice their opinions, and then the Pac-12 would enter negotiations with ESPN in an important third step.



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« Reply #12520 on: September 19, 2011, 01:48:32 AM »


The one in the front is KU, really a "leader" in this new conference.

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« Reply #12521 on: September 19, 2011, 05:03:07 AM »
GSwaim If #Horns pull out of #Pac12 deal, and #RedRaiders still get an invite, #Mizzou would be the fourth invite.

GSwaim Can't wait to hang out with some other ultra conservative #OKState fans at Haight-Ashbury in Berkeley when they play Cal. #GoBears

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« Reply #12522 on: September 19, 2011, 05:34:31 AM »


The one in the front is KU, really a "leader" in this new conference.

Tom Keegan is on pace to get bricked-and-knifed outside the Moon Bar

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If you just can’t stand to read the painful truth, put the paper down and go for a walk, or pop in a CD, or turn on the TV, or read a book, or swear off following sports for the rest of your life and replace it with a more stable hobby, you know, like playing the stock market.

The truth is, Kansas University is on the brink of ranking as one of the biggest losers in the conference realignment musical-chairs game it had nothing to do with setting in motion...

...The Pac-12, if the presidents uncomfortable about how Texas Tech and Oklahoma State measure up academically agree to follow the recommendations of commissioner Larry Scott, isn’t interested in Kansas.

The Big Ten’s not expanding for now.

So where does that leave Kansas? Up a creek without a paddle, along with Missouri, Kansas State, Baylor and Iowa State.
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« Reply #12523 on: September 19, 2011, 06:07:03 AM »
All the Big 12 schools but Texas are basically the same when it comes to academics. Maybe MU's journalism schools is an exception also.

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« Reply #12524 on: September 19, 2011, 06:10:11 AM »
I'd be surprised if Tech got an invite if UT pulled out.  Quite surprised.