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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #8000 on: August 14, 2011, 09:53:11 PM »
We should hire Mike Leach and be a national story in football and make it so some big conferences might want us.
Winning the BCS national championship would be another options. Just something to think about.

could also use the money to "boost" enrollment to 50,000 students.
how much time do we have to make all of the above happen? Years? Months? Hours? 

Somebody else work on those other things, in the meantime I will begin production on a Lifetime movie about the life, legacy, and legend of one Billiam Montigrahamiton  Snyder and the heartbreak he suffered as a young man fighting through WWII and the forbidden love he had to leave behind in war-torn Poland.  If it weren't for his own battle with the typhoid, he could have saved her.  He still writes her letters. This should appeal to old-money ladies, especially in the south.  They're super patriotic and they watch Lifetime.  I need Liev Schrieber right rough ridin' now.  Somebody get that guy.  We start filming yesterday.  Screenplay fuckers, get on that too.  Let's do rough ridin' this.  Wear purple.


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« Reply #8001 on: August 14, 2011, 09:56:32 PM »
Please STFU about Air Force.  Thank you.

This. GMAFB with this AFA crap.

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« Reply #8002 on: August 14, 2011, 09:58:57 PM »
Please STFU about Air Force.  Thank you.

This. GMAFB with this AFA crap.
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #8003 on: August 14, 2011, 10:02:45 PM »
RICE! - works well with the Ag schools in the conference

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« Reply #8004 on: August 14, 2011, 10:05:12 PM »
Please STFU about Air Force.  Thank you.

Didn't bring it up, but I do see why they will probably be one of the go to schools when the Big 12 decides to expand.  What effing school do you think would be better? Houston? New Mexico? GMAFB. Nothing wrong with being realistic. BYU would never come to the Big 12 right now and no team in any other  BCS conference would either and anyone who thinks ND will should be shot for being that effing Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). So, please name a better school that will be targeted and will be likely to join.
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« Reply #8005 on: August 14, 2011, 10:23:41 PM »
BYU would never come to the Big 12 right now

have you seen their home football schedule? There's a good chance they would be seriously interested.

Stop dealing in absolutes, dipshits.

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« Reply #8006 on: August 14, 2011, 10:33:52 PM »
RICE! - works well with the Ag schools in the conference

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« Reply #8007 on: August 14, 2011, 10:36:32 PM »
Replacing Nubb and aTm with mid majors like Houston or Rice would really kill the cred of the conference.  We really need a couple teams like a BYU, TCU, ND, etc.  Adding one AFA/Houston type wouldn't hurt if we did that.  (Not like we lost much cred when CU left.)

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« Reply #8008 on: August 14, 2011, 10:55:45 PM »
Replacing Nubb and aTm with mid majors like Houston or Rice would really kill the cred of the conference.  We really need a couple teams like a BYU, TCU, ND, etc.  Adding one AFA/Houston type wouldn't hurt if we did that.  (Not like we lost much cred when CU left.)

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« Reply #8009 on: August 14, 2011, 11:19:39 PM »
They expand their footprint to Texas with A&M, we get Tulane, UAB, and Central Florida to expand our footprint across the southeast.  How you like them apples?

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« Reply #8010 on: August 14, 2011, 11:32:20 PM »
Since I assume BigCat hints at your overall fatness, I'm going to have to ask you to leave the witty posts to those that don't wheeze while typing.

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« Reply #8011 on: August 14, 2011, 11:44:02 PM »
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« Reply #8012 on: August 15, 2011, 12:42:28 AM »
Wow, I leave for two days and I see that A&M is going, then they're not going, then they may be withdrawing and then going?

 :dubious:

Regardless, I think the SEC has to think hard about whether or not they really want to get to 13+.  For starters, as sys mentioned a while back, conferences with 12+ members haven't fared well in the past.  That's not to say they can't in the future, but at some point, there is a law of diminishing returns at work, and you never want to be the guy that goes from 12 to 16 and have it be a monumental bust.  At this point, with the money, lawyers, and politics involved, it's going to be incremental change (in even numbers, of course).  They'll wait to see if 14 makes them more money and makes the conferences and their members happy, and then they'll look towards going to 16.  

To me, personally, the one conference that would probably have the most incentive to go to 16 is the Big Ten, and that's because the larger their conference is, the more inventory they have for their network, and the network makes more money for all of the members.  But, as stated before, they are very picky about who they will invite.  Nebraska would probably get a lot more scrutiny now that they aren't an AAU school.  But, going forward, their pool of schools is pretty small.  You're looking for AAU schools in major markets that will force cable providers to pay higher rates for the BTN.  You're looking at Maryland (Baltimore/DC), Georgia Tech (Atlanta), Missouri (KC & St. Louis), North Carolina (Charlotte and the Triangle), and Virginia.  I'd say Rutgers and Pitt, but really, no one in NJ or NY cares about college football, so adding Rutgers is pointless.  And Pitt...well, the Big Ten already has Penn State, so it's not like adding Pitt would really make them that much money.  They may be on the list, but I'd think the schools I listed above would be bigger draws for them.  And, as always, Notre Dame is the first team they will put on their speed dial.

Here's the thing...in the super-conference scenario, you have three leagues that are "safe": Big Ten, Pac-12, and the SEC.  That's 48 teams.  You still have to have one more.  And who's to say that all of the current BCS schools want to be a part of a super-conference?  I mean, if the ACC got raided, is there really any guarantee that Duke would give a crap about being in a football super-conference?  What about Wake Forest?  At some point, a lot of these small, private schools will probably just cash out and join the rest of the basketball-centric schools in the Big East because the price of playing poker is going way up, and they'll never compete in these kinds of leagues.

One scenario that I have seen is one where the football playing schools of the Big East (that remain) break off from the basketball schools and form an alliance with whatever remains from the ACC.  What I haven't seen is one where some of those schools like Duke and Wake (that obviously don't have the passion or alumni base to support big time college football) just say, "eff it, I'm out," and they just go join a conference with Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's, and drop football to FCS.  That reduces the number of schools that are a "threat" to schools like KSU, KU, and ISU that may not have that football sex appeal or a huge number of TVs to draw from.

At some point, if this comes to fruition, there will be a refugee super-conference, and most likely, no one league will be doing the driving of it since the rest got raided.  The price to join that conference will simply be how seriously you take football, and we take it seriously enough that we'll get a seat at that table.  We've got a 50+K seat stadium that we fill, a moderately successful history in the past 20 years, and we're a package deal with KU, so the odds of us getting swept up in that arrangement are pretty high.

Basically, I envision us falling into some sort of strange refugee conference with schools that are above mid-major in terms of stadium size, success, money invested in football, etc.  We can get into that conference.
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #8013 on: August 15, 2011, 02:08:07 AM »
Wow, I leave for two days and I see that A&M is going, then they're not going, then they may be withdrawing and then going?

 :dubious:

Regardless, I think the SEC has to think hard about whether or not they really want to get to 13+.  For starters, as sys mentioned a while back, conferences with 12+ members haven't fared well in the past.  That's not to say they can't in the future, but at some point, there is a law of diminishing returns at work, and you never want to be the guy that goes from 12 to 16 and have it be a monumental bust.  At this point, with the money, lawyers, and politics involved, it's going to be incremental change (in even numbers, of course).  They'll wait to see if 14 makes them more money and makes the conferences and their members happy, and then they'll look towards going to 16. 

To me, personally, the one conference that would probably have the most incentive to go to 16 is the Big Ten, and that's because the larger their conference is, the more inventory they have for their network, and the network makes more money for all of the members.  But, as stated before, they are very picky about who they will invite.  Nebraska would probably get a lot more scrutiny now that they aren't an AAU school.  But, going forward, their pool of schools is pretty small.  You're looking for AAU schools in major markets that will force cable providers to pay higher rates for the BTN.  You're looking at Maryland (Baltimore/DC), Georgia Tech (Atlanta), Missouri (KC & St. Louis), North Carolina (Charlotte and the Triangle), and Virginia.  I'd say Rutgers and Pitt, but really, no one in NJ or NY cares about college football, so adding Rutgers is pointless.  And Pitt...well, the Big Ten already has Penn State, so it's not like adding Pitt would really make them that much money.  They may be on the list, but I'd think the schools I listed above would be bigger draws for them.  And, as always, Notre Dame is the first team they will put on their speed dial.

Here's the thing...in the super-conference scenario, you have three leagues that are "safe": Big Ten, Pac-12, and the SEC.  That's 48 teams.  You still have to have one more.  And who's to say that all of the current BCS schools want to be a part of a super-conference?  I mean, if the ACC got raided, is there really any guarantee that Duke would give a crap about being in a football super-conference?  What about Wake Forest?  At some point, a lot of these small, private schools will probably just cash out and join the rest of the basketball-centric schools in the Big East because the price of playing poker is going way up, and they'll never compete in these kinds of leagues.

One scenario that I have seen is one where the football playing schools of the Big East (that remain) break off from the basketball schools and form an alliance with whatever remains from the ACC.  What I haven't seen is one where some of those schools like Duke and Wake (that obviously don't have the passion or alumni base to support big time college football) just say, "eff it, I'm out," and they just go join a conference with Georgetown, Villanova, St. John's, and drop football to FCS.  That reduces the number of schools that are a "threat" to schools like KSU, KU, and ISU that may not have that football sex appeal or a huge number of TVs to draw from.

At some point, if this comes to fruition, there will be a refugee super-conference, and most likely, no one league will be doing the driving of it since the rest got raided.  The price to join that conference will simply be how seriously you take football, and we take it seriously enough that we'll get a seat at that table.  We've got a 50+K seat stadium that we fill, a moderately successful history in the past 20 years, and we're a package deal with KU, so the odds of us getting swept up in that arrangement are pretty high.

Basically, I envision us falling into some sort of strange refugee conference with schools that are above mid-major in terms of stadium size, success, money invested in football, etc.  We can get into that conference.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #8014 on: August 15, 2011, 08:19:21 AM »
Basically, I envision us falling into some sort of strange refugee conference with schools that are above mid-major in terms of stadium size, success, money invested in football, etc.  We can get into that conference.

I believe that conference is the Big 12 and we've been in it for a while.

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« Reply #8015 on: August 15, 2011, 08:46:43 AM »
I believe there will be no Big 12 in 1-2 years and unless the Old Man gets the shazbot! out of the way and we hire a big boy, we won't get to play anymore. 

Also, LOL at KU fans saying they don't care because they will just go to the Big East.  Great idea if you are a dumbass and think that if the B12 goes down the Big East won't collapse immediately too. 

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« Reply #8016 on: August 15, 2011, 08:48:29 AM »
meh, B12 loser schools and BE loser schools can just join up and make the BLS Conference.

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« Reply #8017 on: August 15, 2011, 08:57:41 AM »
As the north's religious institution, the AFA would have a natural rivalry with the Baylor.

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« Reply #8018 on: August 15, 2011, 09:30:33 AM »
ok, what'd i miss?  :party:

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« Reply #8019 on: August 15, 2011, 09:49:16 AM »
meh, B12 loser schools and BE loser schools can just join up and make the BLS Conference.

A superconference of leftovers, brilliant!

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« Reply #8020 on: August 15, 2011, 09:58:30 AM »
Big LS Conference - We don't need numbers in our name

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« Reply #8021 on: August 15, 2011, 10:01:12 AM »
I believe there will be no Big 12 in 1-2 years and unless the Old Man gets the shazbot! out of the way and we hire a big boy, we won't get to play anymore. 

Also, LOL at KU fans saying they don't care because they will just go to the Big East.  Great idea if you are a dumbass and think that if the B12 goes down the Big East won't collapse immediately too. 

Who your coach is won't matter.  In fact, honestly, having Snyder at the helm when all of this goes down is probably a net positive because he's actually making the program respectable.*

If you're scrambling to make a 16 team conference with leftovers from armageddon, who do you go after?  Do you think you take a whole lot of time to piece that league together?  No.  You need to find a home, and you find it fast.  The leftovers from the remaining BCS conferences will be on the horn with each other and they'll work it out really, really quickly (relatively speaking).

With KU and KSU, you get a well-known basketball brand, and with KSU, you get a university that dumps a lot of money into football and is willing to at least look and act like a BCS conference school.  When you're trying to piece together a new BCS league with those that are left behind, it's not going to really take you long to say yes to a team that has a 50K+ stadium that just underwent $60 million in renovations, has won a major conference championship in the last decade, and has gone to more bowls than not in the last twenty years.

You don't try to piece together a new super-conference with a bunch of mid-major commuter schools in large cities (i.e. UCF, Houston, etc.).  You are going to go for teams that have BCS credibility if you want to be a BCS league.

Also, I'm not saying this is the most likely option.  I'm just saying that I really don't have any fear of the Mountain West or missing a seat at the big boy table.  Especially, when you consider the fact that some current private BCS schools may want to consider dumping football altogether.  I mean, really, do you think people would think less of Duke if they dropped to FCS in football and just played basketball and lacrosse with all of the private, basketball-only schools in the Big East?  Wake Forest?  I mean, really, when you think about it, it seems kind of stupid that schools like Duke and Wake actually have BCS football programs.  They simply don't have the alumni base to support them.


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« Reply #8022 on: August 15, 2011, 10:10:00 AM »
meh, B12 loser schools and BE loser schools can just join up and make the BLS Conference.

It's going to include big loser schools from the ACC too.

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« Reply #8023 on: August 15, 2011, 10:12:34 AM »
meh, B12 loser schools and BE loser schools can just join up and make the BLS Conference.

It's going to include big loser schools from the ACC too.

listen, every BLS is welcome.  But, the ACC would survive.

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« Reply #8024 on: August 15, 2011, 10:16:26 AM »
If it came to superconferences, they would be these:

ACC
big 10
BLS
PAC##
SEC