Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[MakeItRain]

I think some of the Schulz hate is weird and partially political driven but he definitely talks too much and it's weird that that someone from the WSU regents hasn't told him to cool it on the quotes to the media. Every time he's opened his mouth about realignment it's blown up in his face.

[steve dave]

I think some of the Schulz hate is weird and partially political driven but he definitely talks too much and it's weird that that someone from the WSU regents hasn't told him to cool it on the quotes to the media. Every time he's opened his mouth about realignment it's blown up in his face.

Schulz brought a lot to dislike and really nothing to like. Remember when his wife tried to cancel EMAW? lmao


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[MakeItRain]

I think some of the Schulz hate is weird and partially political driven but he definitely talks too much and it's weird that that someone from the WSU regents hasn't told him to cool it on the quotes to the media. Every time he's opened his mouth about realignment it's blown up in his face.

Schulz brought a lot to dislike and really nothing to like. Remember when his wife tried to cancel EMAW? lmao


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I thought he brought a lot to like. He actually tried to move the school forward and not do the status quo with the K-State 2020 thing. I know this is a low bar but he was 50x the president that General Myers was. The emaw and ecocat things didn't bother me, at all.

[DQ12]

I viewed him as a tourist who came in and tried to "fix" k-state's traditions he perceived as "backwards."  Rubbed me as very insulting/condescending to come in and try to explain to us why "EMAW" was actually not a nice thing to say.
 
I don't know enough about the other stuff (outside of "higher enrollment is good") to have any complaints about how he handled the rest of his job.

[MadCat]

I associate him with getting the university's many websites all to use the same look and feel as the main website, which I see as a positive.

[bunter]

Just never really felt like the type of guy you could go bowling with

[wetwillie]

I can't think of one redeeming quality of Kirk

[star seed 7]

I can't think of one redeeming quality of Kirk

He left

[sonofdaxjones]

Kiirk was instrumental in getting the sports complex moving towards something befitting a P5 school.  The WSC was initiated  by him.

Other things, not so great.

[steve dave]

I think some of the Schulz hate is weird and partially political driven but he definitely talks too much and it's weird that that someone from the WSU regents hasn't told him to cool it on the quotes to the media. Every time he's opened his mouth about realignment it's blown up in his face.

Schulz brought a lot to dislike and really nothing to like. Remember when his wife tried to cancel EMAW? lmao


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I thought he brought a lot to like. He actually tried to move the school forward and not do the status quo with the K-State 2020 thing. I know this is a low bar but he was 50x the president that General Myers was. The emaw and ecocat things didn't bother me, at all.

I'd for sure take him over wefald. honestly a university president should be forced to serve some limited term in office. wefald was like 5x over his limit. myers was just a stop gap that went way too far. I really like Linton so far. That's 100% vibe based and somewhat connected to the fact he cruised up on a golf cart when I was like a 5/7 pak'd at a football game and gave my kids icecream and chatted me up for awhile and didn't bat an eye at my miller lite tall boy.

[steve dave]

so, mr. linton, sending BACK some positive vibes in your fight against cancer!

[steve dave]

another fun thing about schulz was when he'd post a family picture you could play the game "wife or son?" and it was a crapshoot. I'M JUST SAYING!

[wetwillie]

another fun thing about schulz was when he'd post a family picture you could play the game "wife or son?" and it was a crapshoot. I'M JUST SAYING!

He also liked Olive Garden so maybe he wasn't as bad as I thought

[Houstoncat93]

Looks like the Pac 2 is getting the courts involved.  This is from Wilner's article.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/08/pac-12-chaos-washington-state-oregon-state-take-legal-action-against-the-conference-over-control-of-assets-voting-rights/

The presidents of Washington State and Oregon State are taking the Pac-12 to court in order to gain clarity on voting rights and control of assets as the collapse of a century-old college sports institution veers toward an internecine feud.

The only remaining members of the Pac-12 as of next summer, WSU and OSU filed a joint complaint Friday in Whitman County (Washington) Superior Court that seeks to determine the makeup of the Pac-12 board of directors following the announced departures of 10 schools, according to documents obtained by the Hotline.

The Pac-12 and commissioner George Kliavkoff are the named defendants.

Washington State’s Kirk Schulz and Oregon State’s Jayathi Murthy are not attempting to punish any of the outgoing schools or prevent them from leaving for the ACC, Big 12 and Big Ten.

Instead, they want declaratory judgment from the court regarding the makeup of the Pac-12’s board of directors, which has voting authority and control of the conference’s finances.

Additionally, the schools are seeking a temporary restraining order to prevent the 10 outgoing members from voting on vital issues until the makeup of the board is determined.

The Pac-12 declined to comment.

The Cougars and Beavers are considering whether to join the Mountain West or attempt to rebuild the Pac-12. Either way, their futures depend, in part, on access to potentially tens of millions of dollars in Pac-12 assets — assets that are controlled by the board of directors.

The filing comes after a tense two weeks that began when Schulz, chair of the Pac-12 board, declined Kliavkoff’s request to call a board meeting to discuss “complex issues facing the Conference,” according to the complaint.

That led Kliavkoff to schedule the meeting himself (for Sept. 13). He invited all 12 board members, including those from USC and UCLA. The Los Angeles schools had been excluded from prior Pac-12 board meetings following their June 2022 decision to join the Big Ten.

The meeting could include a board vote on the conference’s governing structure and strategy.

Washington State and Oregon State don’t believe the outgoing schools, which will be members of competing leagues starting next summer, have the right to determine the future of the conference and are concerned the Sept. 13 board meeting “may doom the Pac-12’s ability to survive past 2024,” according to the complaint.

The Pac-12 bylaws state that if a school gives notice of withdrawal prior to Aug. 1, 2024, then its “representative to the Pac-12 Board of Directors shall automatically cease to be a member of the Pac-12 Board of Directors and shall cease to have the right to vote on any matter.”

What defines a notice of withdrawal?

WSU and OSU believe the public statements by executives from the outgoing schools — and the “welcome” announcements blasted on social media by their new leagues — constitute a legal delivery of notice, thereby rendering their presidents ineligible for the Pac-12 board.

The stakes are high. Major strategic and financial issues require super-majority approval (75 percent). If the court determines the 10 outgoing schools retain board-of-directors status until their departures next summer, they could form a voting bloc that dictates terms to WSU and OSU.

The bylaws indicate that all assets be split among the 12 schools if the conference dissolves.

The temporary restraining order is designed to maintain the status quo (i.e., no votes by the board) until the court determines which schools have voting rights.

WSU and OSU have requested a hearing for Monday and hope a restraining order will be issued before the scheduled board meeting on Wednesday.

Earlier this week, WSU’s Schulz and OSU’s Murthy sent a letter to Kliavkoff and the other 10 presidents expressing concern that:

“… the recent correspondence from the Commissioner’s office creates the misimpression that representatives of all Conference members are eligible to serve on the Board, participate in Board meetings, and vote on Board matters. That is incorrect.”

It adds:

“Indeed, when (UCLA) and (USC) gave notice of their withdrawal from the Conference in June 2022, the Conference deemed their representatives ineligible to participate on the Board or vote on any Conference matters. The fact that eight more members have now given notice of their withdrawal from the Conference does not change this rule.”

The Pac-12 took the same approach to board membership this summer. After Colorado announced on July 27 that it was leaving for the Big 12, chancellor Phil DiStefano was excluded from subsequent Pac-12 board meetings that occurred before Aug. 4, when five more schools departed, according to the complaint.

In his statement to the court, WSU’s Schulz says the 10 outgoing schools “are now motivated to dissolve the Pac-12—against which their new conferences will otherwise compete beginning next year — and distribute its assets.”

Additionally, the letter from WSU and OSU to the conference sought confirmation that:

— The Sept. 13 board meeting would be canceled.

— The 10 departing schools have relinquished their voting rights.

— The presidents of WSU and OSU are the “only duly authorized Board members.”

Washington State and Oregon State requested a response to their letter by Friday (today) at 10 a.m.

Soon after the deadline, the legal process began in Whitman County, home to WSU.

Complaints are the legal filings that initiate lawsuits.

[Houstoncat93]

The filing if you are interested in the details

https://www.scribd.com/document/670001540/Complaint-for-breach-of-Pac-12-bylaws

[cfbandyman]

I associate him with getting the university's many websites all to use the same look and feel as the main website, which I see as a positive.

Overall, his idea of consistent branding, and the portrayals of K-State across all levels is with this and agree it has overall been a good thing.

I also don't mind his emaw thing, or ecokat, both are just weird and any person can have that. I think in general yes, this idea of a guy who was mostly there for a resume builder though is most accurate portrayal of him, which isn't ideal, but also plenty of people in the world like that who get into those high positions.

[Pete]

Just never really felt like the type of guy you could go bowling with

Took what was was going to say

[MakeItRain]

Just never really felt like the type of guy you could go bowling with

No he was not. I think there is something to say about a UP being a complete academic pinhead, though I don't think he was that either.

[MakeItRain]

Looks like the Pac 2 is getting the courts involved.  This is from Wilner's article.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/08/pac-12-chaos-washington-state-oregon-state-take-legal-action-against-the-conference-over-control-of-assets-voting-rights/

The presidents of Washington State and Oregon State are taking the Pac-12 to court in order to gain clarity on voting rights and control of assets as the collapse of a century-old college sports institution veers toward an internecine feud.

The only remaining members of the Pac-12 as of next summer, WSU and OSU filed a joint complaint Friday in Whitman County (Washington) Superior Court that seeks to determine the makeup of the Pac-12 board of directors following the announced departures of 10 schools, according to documents obtained by the Hotline.

The Pac-12 and commissioner George Kliavkoff are the named defendants.

Washington State’s Kirk Schulz and Oregon State’s Jayathi Murthy are not attempting to punish any of the outgoing schools or prevent them from leaving for the ACC, Big 12 and Big Ten.

Instead, they want declaratory judgment from the court regarding the makeup of the Pac-12’s board of directors, which has voting authority and control of the conference’s finances.

Additionally, the schools are seeking a temporary restraining order to prevent the 10 outgoing members from voting on vital issues until the makeup of the board is determined.

The Pac-12 declined to comment.

The Cougars and Beavers are considering whether to join the Mountain West or attempt to rebuild the Pac-12. Either way, their futures depend, in part, on access to potentially tens of millions of dollars in Pac-12 assets — assets that are controlled by the board of directors.

The filing comes after a tense two weeks that began when Schulz, chair of the Pac-12 board, declined Kliavkoff’s request to call a board meeting to discuss “complex issues facing the Conference,” according to the complaint.

That led Kliavkoff to schedule the meeting himself (for Sept. 13). He invited all 12 board members, including those from USC and UCLA. The Los Angeles schools had been excluded from prior Pac-12 board meetings following their June 2022 decision to join the Big Ten.

The meeting could include a board vote on the conference’s governing structure and strategy.

Washington State and Oregon State don’t believe the outgoing schools, which will be members of competing leagues starting next summer, have the right to determine the future of the conference and are concerned the Sept. 13 board meeting “may doom the Pac-12’s ability to survive past 2024,” according to the complaint.

The Pac-12 bylaws state that if a school gives notice of withdrawal prior to Aug. 1, 2024, then its “representative to the Pac-12 Board of Directors shall automatically cease to be a member of the Pac-12 Board of Directors and shall cease to have the right to vote on any matter.”

What defines a notice of withdrawal?

WSU and OSU believe the public statements by executives from the outgoing schools — and the “welcome” announcements blasted on social media by their new leagues — constitute a legal delivery of notice, thereby rendering their presidents ineligible for the Pac-12 board.

The stakes are high. Major strategic and financial issues require super-majority approval (75 percent). If the court determines the 10 outgoing schools retain board-of-directors status until their departures next summer, they could form a voting bloc that dictates terms to WSU and OSU.

The bylaws indicate that all assets be split among the 12 schools if the conference dissolves.

The temporary restraining order is designed to maintain the status quo (i.e., no votes by the board) until the court determines which schools have voting rights.

WSU and OSU have requested a hearing for Monday and hope a restraining order will be issued before the scheduled board meeting on Wednesday.

Earlier this week, WSU’s Schulz and OSU’s Murthy sent a letter to Kliavkoff and the other 10 presidents expressing concern that:

“… the recent correspondence from the Commissioner’s office creates the misimpression that representatives of all Conference members are eligible to serve on the Board, participate in Board meetings, and vote on Board matters. That is incorrect.”

It adds:

“Indeed, when (UCLA) and (USC) gave notice of their withdrawal from the Conference in June 2022, the Conference deemed their representatives ineligible to participate on the Board or vote on any Conference matters. The fact that eight more members have now given notice of their withdrawal from the Conference does not change this rule.”

The Pac-12 took the same approach to board membership this summer. After Colorado announced on July 27 that it was leaving for the Big 12, chancellor Phil DiStefano was excluded from subsequent Pac-12 board meetings that occurred before Aug. 4, when five more schools departed, according to the complaint.

In his statement to the court, WSU’s Schulz says the 10 outgoing schools “are now motivated to dissolve the Pac-12—against which their new conferences will otherwise compete beginning next year — and distribute its assets.”

Additionally, the letter from WSU and OSU to the conference sought confirmation that:

— The Sept. 13 board meeting would be canceled.

— The 10 departing schools have relinquished their voting rights.

— The presidents of WSU and OSU are the “only duly authorized Board members.”

Washington State and Oregon State requested a response to their letter by Friday (today) at 10 a.m.

Soon after the deadline, the legal process began in Whitman County, home to WSU.

Complaints are the legal filings that initiate lawsuits.

I appreciate you posting this because I saw the headline on the bottom line and I didn't get it. After reading this, I still don't get it. Kliavkoff was hired by the conference, I don't understand why WSU and OSU just can't decide to fire him. What about the Comcast debt? If those two schools take over the Pac 12, does that mean they are saddled with whatever is left of that $50 million debt?

[pissclams]

[Houstoncat93]

Looks like the Pac 2 is getting the courts involved.  This is from Wilner's article.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/08/pac-12-chaos-washington-state-oregon-state-take-legal-action-against-the-conference-over-control-of-assets-voting-rights/

I appreciate you posting this because I saw the headline on the bottom line and I didn't get it. After reading this, I still don't get it. Kliavkoff was hired by the conference, I don't understand why WSU and OSU just can't decide to fire him. What about the Comcast debt? If those two schools take over the Pac 12, does that mean they are saddled with whatever is left of that $50 million debt?

I read somewhere that the Comcast is resolved, Comcast is just going to withhold payment going forward until they get the money back. 

The root of the issue is that Klaivkoff is acting like the departing schools have a vote.  OSU\WSU are basically getting the courts to agree that there are only 2 voting members of the Pac right now to protect the Pac 12 assets (the Network and March Madness credits).  If the leaving schools are allowed votes they could vote to dissolve the conference and then would split the assets among all 12 schools as opposed to WSU\OSU being able to use them to do a reverse merger with the MWC.

End of the day I think the MW schools and OSU\WSU all play in the same conference next year but if OSU\WSU win this suit then it would likely be in the PAC with some windfall from the departing schools March Madness credits. Not sure there is a much value in the PAC Network at this point other than the physical assets to produce and broadcast games.

[Skipper44]

Looks like the Pac 2 is getting the courts involved.  This is from Wilner's article.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/08/pac-12-chaos-washington-state-oregon-state-take-legal-action-against-the-conference-over-control-of-assets-voting-rights/

I appreciate you posting this because I saw the headline on the bottom line and I didn't get it. After reading this, I still don't get it. Kliavkoff was hired by the conference, I don't understand why WSU and OSU just can't decide to fire him. What about the Comcast debt? If those two schools take over the Pac 12, does that mean they are saddled with whatever is left of that $50 million debt?

I read somewhere that the Comcast is resolved, Comcast is just going to withhold payment going forward until they get the money back. 

Comcast has to be looking for an out on that deal now, it seems unlikely withholding payment for 2023 will make them whole

[MakeItRain]

Looks like the Pac 2 is getting the courts involved.  This is from Wilner's article.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/08/pac-12-chaos-washington-state-oregon-state-take-legal-action-against-the-conference-over-control-of-assets-voting-rights/

I appreciate you posting this because I saw the headline on the bottom line and I didn't get it. After reading this, I still don't get it. Kliavkoff was hired by the conference, I don't understand why WSU and OSU just can't decide to fire him. What about the Comcast debt? If those two schools take over the Pac 12, does that mean they are saddled with whatever is left of that $50 million debt?

I read somewhere that the Comcast is resolved, Comcast is just going to withhold payment going forward until they get the money back. 

Comcast has to be looking for an out on that deal now, it seems unlikely withholding payment for 2023 will make them whole

Yep, gotta think they're going to sue which makes this even more complicated. OSU and WSU wants that Pac 12 branding because they get to keep autonomy for at least two more years but what's the price tag on that if they have to pay the lions share of what's left of that money or if they have to completely cede rights to the Pac 12 Network for as long as it takes to pay Comcast off.

[Houstoncat93]

Looks like the Pac 2 is getting the courts involved.  This is from Wilner's article.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/09/08/pac-12-chaos-washington-state-oregon-state-take-legal-action-against-the-conference-over-control-of-assets-voting-rights/

I appreciate you posting this because I saw the headline on the bottom line and I didn't get it. After reading this, I still don't get it. Kliavkoff was hired by the conference, I don't understand why WSU and OSU just can't decide to fire him. What about the Comcast debt? If those two schools take over the Pac 12, does that mean they are saddled with whatever is left of that $50 million debt?

I read somewhere that the Comcast is resolved, Comcast is just going to withhold payment going forward until they get the money back. 

Comcast has to be looking for an out on that deal now, it seems unlikely withholding payment for 2023 will make them whole

Yep, gotta think they're going to sue which makes this even more complicated. OSU and WSU wants that Pac 12 branding because they get to keep autonomy for at least two more years but what's the price tag on that if they have to pay the lions share of what's left of that money or if they have to completely cede rights to the Pac 12 Network for as long as it takes to pay Comcast off.

Here is the quote.  The deal was only to withhold payment through 2024 so I doubt there will be much left to sue over.

https://sports.yahoo.com/comcasts-50-million-pac-12-191910444.html

As reported by the San Jose Mercury News' Jon Wilner, Comcast has elected to withhold its licensing fee payments to the Pac-12 through the end of summer 2024. That will result in a budgetary shortfall of around $4 million for each member school.

[Trim]

https://twitter.com/ChrisDaniels_TV/status/1700675886784323902