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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #33975 on: July 25, 2022, 12:21:51 PM »
Basically his feed is a “Gems of…” thread that forgot to use the quote function

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« Reply #33976 on: July 25, 2022, 12:38:14 PM »
Basically his feed is a “Gems of…” thread that forgot to use the quote function

This, once in awhile he will post a link to something useful too.


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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #33978 on: July 25, 2022, 07:37:19 PM »
This has been pointed out to Mandel several times the last 12 months, he simply doesn't care.

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« Reply #33979 on: July 25, 2022, 08:19:44 PM »
That's only because he is an bad person; why else?
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #33982 on: July 26, 2022, 10:42:48 AM »
https://twitter.com/TJAltimore/status/1551599906879578118?s=20&t=ffD65OW-C-IIWZa5BNB4-g
Does this chart say we should grab Washington State and Oregon State?
It depends on the time slot.


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« Reply #33983 on: July 26, 2022, 12:42:18 PM »
With Oregon State in particular, no. 

I looked back at recent Pac 12 seasons yesterday -- Oregon State's experience is pretty wild.

In the years 2018, 2019, and 2021, OSU played a total of 27 conference games.  20 of those games were on Pac 12 Network.  20!  And two of the other seven games were against USC. But for the purposes of their TV stats (that people try to glean), OSU's data is all screwed up.  Here are their games

10/2/2021   UW   OSU   9:00   P12N   -
10/23/2021   Utah   OSU   7:30   P12N   -
11/13/2021   Stanford   OSU   5:30   P12N   -
10/9/2021   OSU   WSU   4:00   P12N   -
11/6/2021   OSU   CU   7:00   P12N   -
10/30/2021   OSU   Cal   7:00   P12N   -
11/23/2019   OSU   WSU   9:00   P12N   -
11/30/2019   OSU   UO   4:00   P12N   -
10/5/2019   OSU   UCLA   9:00   P12N   -
11/2/2019   OSU   UA   4:30   P12N   -
10/19/2019   OSU   Cal   2:30   P12N   -
10/12/2019   Utah   OSU   8:00   P12N   -
9/28/2019   Stanford   OSU   7:00   P12N   -
9/29/2018   OSU   ASU   10:00   P12N   -
10/27/2018   OSU   CU   3:00   P12N   -
11/10/2018   OSU   Stanford   9:00   P12N   -
11/17/2018   OSU   UW   4:30   P12N   -
10/6/2018   WSU   OSU   9:00   P12N   -
9/22/2018   UA   OSU   4:00   P12N   -
10/20/2018   Cal   OSU   4:00   P12N   -
9/25/2021   OSU   USC   10:30   FS1   0.75
11/3/2018   OSU   USC   10:00   FS1   0.42
11/8/2019   UW   OSU   10:30   FS1   0.65
11/16/2019   ASU   OSU   7:30   FS1   0.49
11/23/2018   UO   OSU   4:00   FS1   0.95
11/20/2021   ASU   OSU   10:30   ESPN   1.14
11/27/2021   OSU   UO   3:30   ESPN   1.34


The two games on FS1 don't "count" because USC, so what we're left with is a 5 game dataset for OSU, that include 2 games against Oregon (one ESPN; one FS1); a game against UW (on FS1); and two games against ASU (one on ESPN; one on FS1).  That's it.  That's all the conference games Oregon State has that "count" for three years and 27 conference games.  3 games against the two biggest draws in the conference, and two games against ASU.

Here's my thesis on the Pac 12: 

(1)  Oregon is a relative monster and gets featured on networks often.

(2)  Pac 12 After Dark does relatively very well (pretty reliably 1m+ viewers) regardless of who is playing. 

(3)  P12N shows a LOT of games: 21 conference games in 2018 (38%); 19 conference games in 2019 (35%); 21 conference games in 2021 (38%).  By comparison, ESPN+ only had 6 big 12 games last year (13%).  This means that roughly 38% of the Pac 12's "worst games" over the last three years don't have any reported data.  Hence, we only see numbers for 7 oregon state conference games, and 5 of the 7 involve UW, USC, and Oregon. The same is true for the teams you'd expect it to be true for: Colorado played 15 of 27 conference games on P12N.  Cal played 13 on P12N.

(3a)  When you effectively "hide" your worst rated games on a network for which there's no data (like P12N/ESPN+), that raises everyone's boat. Stated differently, when the only data points you have are 80% games on FOX/ABC/ESPN (mothership) (see point 2), that makes the data look a lot better. 

(3b)  Because of P12N prevalence, across the conference, games involving Oregon and Washington (who relatively rarely play on P12N) carry far more weight than games against OSU/Cal/CU, etc.  The Big 12 likewise "hides" a disproportionate amount of KU's conference games on ESPN+, but not to the degree that the P12 does with teams like OSU/Cal/etc.


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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #33984 on: July 26, 2022, 12:48:38 PM »
Experience? Experience, exshmrerience. Look at the school, for Christ's sake. It's the second best school in Oregon. Experience come and go, DLew, but Ore St, "the Beav," they only switch conferences once, maybe twice in a lifetime.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #33985 on: July 26, 2022, 12:51:40 PM »
Experience? Experience, exshmrerience. Look at the school, for Christ's sake. It's the second best school in Oregon. Experience come and go, DLew, but Ore St, "the Beav," they only switch conferences once, maybe twice in a lifetime.
i do like oregon state.  i wouldn't mind if they were in the big 12. 

Cal and stanford can go to hell though!


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« Reply #33986 on: July 26, 2022, 02:49:22 PM »
Are WSU's high media numbers legit?
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« Reply #33987 on: July 26, 2022, 03:00:27 PM »
Are WSU's high media numbers legit?
More or less.  Here are their conference games from the last three years:

11/13/2021   WSU   UO   10:30   ESPN   1.99
9/25/2021   WSU   Utah   2:30   P12N   -
10/30/2021   WSU   ASU   3:00   FS1   0.34
10/2/2021   WSU   Cal   5:30   P12N   -
10/16/2021   Stanford   WSU   7:30   ESPNU   0.21
9/18/2021   USC   WSU   6:30   Fox   1.58
11/19/2021   UA   WSU   9:00   P12N   -
10/9/2021   OSU   WSU   4:00   P12N   -
11/26/2021   WSU   UW   8:00   FS1   1.21
11/29/2019   WSU   UW   4:00   Fox   2.85
9/28/2019   WSU   Utah   10:00   FS1   0.67
10/26/2019   WSU   UO   10:30   ESPN   1.9
10/19/2019   CU   WSU   7:00   ESPNU   0.27
11/9/2019   WSU   Cal   7:00   P12N   -
9/21/2019   UCLA   WSU   10:30   ESPN   1.39
11/16/2019   Stanford   WSU   4:30   P12N   -
11/23/2019   OSU   WSU   9:00   P12N   -
10/12/2019   WSU   ASU   3:30   P12N   -
9/21/2018   WSU   USC   10:30   ESPN   1.64
10/6/2018   WSU   OSU   9:00   P12N   -
10/27/2018   WSU   Stanford   7:00   P12N   -
9/29/2018   Utah   WSU   6:30   P12N   -
11/10/2018   WSU   CU   3:30   ESPN   1.3
11/23/2018   UW   WSU   8:30   FOX   4.1
10/20/2018   UO   WSU   7:30   FOX   2.59
11/17/2018   UA   WSU   10:30   ESPN   1.59
11/3/2018   Cal   WSU   10:45   ESPN   1.5

They've benefited quite a bit from After Dark games -- playing in the late spot for 5 out of their 14 "countable" games.  4 of those games were on ESPN mothership, 1 on FS1.  Their 2018 campaign (where they were good) legit drew really good numbers.  Their (#10) 2018 primetime game against UW (#13) was huge -- drawing a 4.1.  That was the third highest rated conference game for the Pac in those three years. 

Being in the north and getting to play Washington and Oregon (and having a really good year baked in) helps.




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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #33989 on: July 26, 2022, 03:22:59 PM »
More like #GoOmba

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« Reply #33990 on: July 26, 2022, 03:27:05 PM »
EPAC!!!
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #33992 on: July 26, 2022, 04:47:52 PM »
LOL at the sources that named those schools. 

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« Reply #33993 on: July 26, 2022, 05:30:16 PM »
Has anyone checked on our TSC buddies? That one has got to really sting right?

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« Reply #33994 on: July 26, 2022, 06:19:18 PM »
Experience? Experience, exshmrerience. Look at the school, for Christ's sake. It's the second best school in Oregon. Experience come and go, DLew, but Ore St, "the Beav," they only switch conferences once, maybe twice in a lifetime.

Very embarrassed that it took me until “experience come and go, dlew”. Don’t ever change sd.

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« Reply #33995 on: July 26, 2022, 06:20:52 PM »
Damn, that list sucks for Blue Wings Rising.

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« Reply #33996 on: July 26, 2022, 08:15:37 PM »
Experience? Experience, exshmrerience. Look at the school, for Christ's sake. It's the second best school in Oregon. Experience come and go, DLew, but Ore St, "the Beav," they only switch conferences once, maybe twice in a lifetime.

Very embarrassed that it took me until “experience come and go, dlew”. Don’t ever change sd.

I still haven’t figured it out because I keep reading it as Billy Madison giving his industrial revolution speech.
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« Reply #33998 on: July 26, 2022, 09:56:54 PM »
How do you have a chance to get into a household lol
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« Reply #33999 on: July 26, 2022, 10:17:30 PM »
Experience? Experience, exshmrerience. Look at the school, for Christ's sake. It's the second best school in Oregon. Experience come and go, DLew, but Ore St, "the Beav," they only switch conferences once, maybe twice in a lifetime.

Very embarrassed that it took me until “experience come and go, dlew”. Don’t ever change sd.

I still haven’t figured it out because I keep reading it as Billy Madison giving his industrial revolution speech.


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