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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #27125 on: December 09, 2015, 08:47:54 AM »
Think of it as two play-in games as opposed to a couple of byes.

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« Reply #27126 on: December 09, 2015, 08:51:26 AM »
Byes will be worse because whichever team is 3 and not 2 will get effed in having to play an extra game, and the rankings/seedings will be subjective like today.  NFL is garbage, and i'm not surprised a guy named buckwheat is a huge fan.

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« Reply #27127 on: December 09, 2015, 10:07:01 AM »
The 5-hearts in KS can't prop up 2 FBS programs let alone 3.

They'd most likely take up permanent residence in FCS. 

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« Reply #27128 on: December 09, 2015, 10:10:32 AM »
Yes, there is zero chance they would be fbs.
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« Reply #27129 on: December 09, 2015, 10:14:37 AM »

Any system with byes are not the best system.


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Disagree at some playoff size there is decreasing returns for interest in the regular season. Is 8 that number most years?

My point is right now college football is a national audience in the regular season with the 4 team playoff. Would 8 teams make it more into a regional audience? Would 6 teams and a bye preserve the national part?

Well, people will certainly be watching all the way to the final weekend since that is when most champs will be crowned. And I don't see why there wouldn't be just as much controversy as to who should get the 2-3 at large spots. Only one spot being available increases the odds that only one non-championship game is even relevant, so I have no idea why ratings would not go up with 8 teams.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #27130 on: December 09, 2015, 10:24:59 AM »
Byes will be worse because whichever team is 3 and not 2 will get effed in having to play an extra game, and the rankings/seedings will be subjective like today.  NFL is garbage, and i'm not surprised a guy named buckwheat is a huge fan.

So you want to remove the subjectivity from the process? Is it just me or is that very NFL-esque?

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« Reply #27131 on: December 09, 2015, 10:34:19 AM »
there will always be subjectivity in the current format with 5 power conferences, allowing 2 teams to get a huge advantage like a bye because of it, is dumb

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« Reply #27132 on: December 09, 2015, 12:55:43 PM »
Any system with byes are not the best system.


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FCS uses byes and they do just fine. I actually think byes is the best way, there should be a reward for a team that conquers a better season than a team like USC in your previous example.

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« Reply #27133 on: December 09, 2015, 02:34:47 PM »
Or just not have USC


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« Reply #27134 on: December 09, 2015, 02:44:37 PM »
Any system with byes are not the best system.


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FCS uses byes and they do just fine. I actually think byes is the best way, there should be a reward for a team that conquers a better season than a team like USC in your previous example.
Is been mentioned,  but the best way would also reward the teams with a better record and/or schedule strength.....and that's by giving a home game to higher seeds for first round. It's practically required in order for advancing teams to be able to make the trips to neutral locations.
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« Reply #27135 on: December 09, 2015, 03:07:56 PM »
Any system with byes are not the best system.


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FCS uses byes and they do just fine. I actually think byes is the best way, there should be a reward for a team that conquers a better season than a team like USC in your previous example.

so Alabama deserves an advantage over Oklahoma/Michigan State?

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« Reply #27136 on: December 09, 2015, 04:18:20 PM »
Any system with byes are not the best system.


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FCS uses byes and they do just fine. I actually think byes is the best way, there should be a reward for a team that conquers a better season than a team like USC in your previous example.

so Alabama deserves an advantage over Oklahoma/Michigan State?

I think that OU is one of the two best teams in the country along with nearly every metric that I've seen but yes, I have no problem with the two best teams getting a bye. Invariably the teams who think they have a shot will schedule monsters in the non-con to get that bye. Again it happens in the FCS so it isn't some wild and crazy concept. It also isn't some insurmountable obstacle either, three of the eight teams with byes in the FCS playoffs lost last weekend.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #27137 on: December 09, 2015, 04:26:33 PM »
Does this compute?

(odds of winning vs cupcake) - (odds of winning vs monster in non-con) < (odds of winning first playoff game as team ranked #3 or worse)

I guess it could depending how you do it. 

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #27138 on: December 09, 2015, 05:10:49 PM »
8 team playoff is more fun. 

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« Reply #27139 on: December 09, 2015, 05:28:49 PM »
comparing FCS to FBS is pretty dumb

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« Reply #27140 on: December 09, 2015, 05:41:46 PM »
comparing FCS to FBS is pretty dumb

LOL, how so meow meow? I don't really care about 6 v. 8 playoff teams but I'm interested to know your rationale here fully knowing that you don't generally provide nuanced thought beyond what you did here.

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« Reply #27141 on: December 10, 2015, 11:30:39 AM »
comparing FCS to FBS is pretty dumb

So it appears meow meow once again is incapable of expressing a developed opinion. In other news, the sun came up again today.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #27142 on: December 10, 2015, 11:35:33 AM »
8 team playoff is more fun.
Would agree that it would be more fun.
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« Reply #27143 on: December 10, 2015, 11:39:45 AM »
comparing FCS to FBS is pretty dumb

So it appears meow meow once again is incapable of expressing a developed opinion. In other news, the sun came up again today.

interesting, if true

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #27144 on: December 20, 2015, 06:14:05 PM »
Hearing rumblings of Mizzou and Arkansas.  It seems unlikely to me, too.  But: source = "not too shabby."

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #27145 on: December 20, 2015, 07:09:40 PM »
Hearing rumblings of Mizzou and Arkansas.  It seems unlikely to me, too.  But: source = "not too shabby."

Sounds fun, but impossible.

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« Reply #27146 on: December 20, 2015, 08:03:20 PM »
:lol:


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« Reply #27147 on: December 20, 2015, 08:16:57 PM »
Is that the latest chip brown story?  I mean wow.
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« Reply #27148 on: December 21, 2015, 09:31:13 PM »
Hearing rumblings of Mizzou and Arkansas.  It seems unlikely to me, too.  But: source = "not too shabby."


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« Reply #27149 on: December 21, 2015, 09:34:58 PM »
steffy posted that so i dont think its serious