Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[doom]

Barry Trammel on BITB basically said the big 12 is dead, OU will call TOD whenever A&M goes to the SEC.  Nothing Texas could do (i.e. revenue share, new commish) would change anything and he doesn’t believe that Texas would do that.  Also said the only people you can trust in the Big 12 is ISU and KSU.  

Big East, baby.  Big East.  

read:  KSU and ISU the only schools without options so no need to be deceptive

Note that the two schools mentioned are the participants of Farmageddon.  ISU made a football trophy picturing a family and corn, and our football team is a small town family business.  What's not to trust?

[unleashthemob]

eff it, lets just have a lottery and let each team draw from a hat! whatever conference they pick is the one they go to, or let the big boys pick teams just like back in grade school!

[ZappaCat]

I think that any plan like that would have to include an at-large playoff bid for programs that are not in the superconferences.

Not to mention that certain conferences/divisions would be crappier/better than others and would demand at-large berths.  

Not that I think BITB's plan has any chance, I don't, but a 12 team playoff is the best option.

If you take his 8 division winners and add in 4 at large however you want to figure that.

Seed them 1-12 anyway you want, (computer, poll, committee, etc....).  Then give teams 1 to 4 1st round byes.

Teams 5 to 8 host a 1st round game for teams 9 to 12. Winners go play at teams 1 to 4 who host a second round game.  

Play these games the 1st 2 weeks of December. This leaves you 4 teams to play in a 2 games + 1 game format at neutral sites in January.

The remaining 8 teams can be thrown back into the meaningless bowl schedule with everyone else.

Nobody outside the top 10 is probably denied a chance at the tourney and we get a march madness type national champion and bowl teams still get to practice through December.

[Panjandrum]

BITB: 99% the KSU cats land in a BCS league 

This makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside

There are current 67 BCS schools.  68 if you include TCU (since they'll be in the BCS next year).

If you cut out the following four schools, everyone gets a spot:

TCU
USF
Baylor
ISU

Now, put KSU up against those four, realistically, and I'd say it's 90% on merit.  Throw the fact that we're lumped into the same BOR as KU, and you have 100%.

No way we're left out of any 64 team scenario.

This is starting to feel like Bracketology.

It gets even easier when you factor in rivalry, politics, etc.

Honestly, if Texas doesn't want the Pac, and the Pac wants 16, I honestly think we're going in there.  It's tidy.

[Rage Against the McKee]

BITB: 99% the KSU cats land in a BCS league 

This makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside

There are current 67 BCS schools.  68 if you include TCU (since they'll be in the BCS next year).

If you cut out the following four schools, everyone gets a spot:

TCU
USF
Baylor
ISU

Now, put KSU up against those four, realistically, and I'd say it's 90% on merit.  Throw the fact that we're lumped into the same BOR as KU, and you have 100%.

No way we're left out of any 64 team scenario.

There are also some non-BCS programs, like BYU, that we would be competing against for that last spot.

[kstater]

eff it, lets just have a lottery and let each team draw from a hat! whatever conference they pick is the one they go to, or let the big boys pick teams just like back in grade school!

Fairly certain that's what's going on right now.

[DQ12]

BITB: 99% the KSU cats land in a BCS league  

This makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside

There are current 67 BCS schools.  68 if you include TCU (since they'll be in the BCS next year).

If you cut out the following four schools, everyone gets a spot:

TCU
USF
Baylor
ISU

Now, put KSU up against those four, realistically, and I'd say it's 90% on merit.  Throw the fact that we're lumped into the same BOR as KU, and you have 100%.

No way we're left out of any 64 team scenario.

There are also some non-BCS programs, like BYU, that we would be competing against for that last spot.

Would we also be competing against Washington State, Oregon State, Indiana, Northwestern, Vandy, Wake Forest etc?  Or are we assuming teams already in one of the ACC, SEC, BIG and PAC are safe?

[Rage Against the McKee]

BITB: 99% the KSU cats land in a BCS league  

This makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside

There are current 67 BCS schools.  68 if you include TCU (since they'll be in the BCS next year).

If you cut out the following four schools, everyone gets a spot:

TCU
USF
Baylor
ISU

Now, put KSU up against those four, realistically, and I'd say it's 90% on merit.  Throw the fact that we're lumped into the same BOR as KU, and you have 100%.

No way we're left out of any 64 team scenario.

There are also some non-BCS programs, like BYU, that we would be competing against for that last spot.

Would we also be competing against Washington State, Oregon State, Indiana, Northwestern, Vandy, Wake Forest etc?  Or are we assuming teams already in one of the ACC, SEC, BIG and PAC are safe?

I think those schools are safe. Nobody is going to get kicked out of an existing conference.

[TheHamburglar]

BITB: 99% the KSU cats land in a BCS league 

This makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside

There are current 67 BCS schools.  68 if you include TCU (since they'll be in the BCS next year).

If you cut out the following four schools, everyone gets a spot:

TCU
USF
Baylor
ISU

Now, put KSU up against those four, realistically, and I'd say it's 90% on merit.  Throw the fact that we're lumped into the same BOR as KU, and you have 100%.

No way we're left out of any 64 team scenario.

There are currently 66 teams in BCS conferences, next year TCU will make 67.  (Unless you consider ND BCS)

[deputy dawg]

Barry Trammel on BITB basically said the big 12 is dead, OU will call TOD whenever A&M goes to the SEC.  Nothing Texas could do (i.e. revenue share, new commish) would change anything and he doesn’t believe that Texas would do that.  Also said the only people you can trust in the Big 12 is ISU and KSU.  

Big East, baby.  Big East.  

Sounds like they love us. OU may take us along.

Either that or it was an insult and he is saying you can trust us and ISU because it isn't possible for us to have an agenda given lack of options.

No, Barry had to think about that question a lot ("who can you trust in the Big 12?").  The guy hated Moo and Texas worst of all.

[Panjandrum]

BITB: 99% the KSU cats land in a BCS league  

This makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside

There are current 67 BCS schools.  68 if you include TCU (since they'll be in the BCS next year).

If you cut out the following four schools, everyone gets a spot:

TCU
USF
Baylor
ISU

Now, put KSU up against those four, realistically, and I'd say it's 90% on merit.  Throw the fact that we're lumped into the same BOR as KU, and you have 100%.

No way we're left out of any 64 team scenario.

There are also some non-BCS programs, like BYU, that we would be competing against for that last spot.

Would we also be competing against Washington State, Oregon State, Indiana, Northwestern, Vandy, Wake Forest etc?  Or are we assuming teams already in one of the ACC, SEC, BIG and PAC are safe?

I think those schools are safe. Nobody is going to get kicked out of an existing conference.

No super conference, especially the Pac, will admit BYU.  Their only hope is the Pac and the Big Ten due to geography, and neither of them will admit them due to their overzealous religious nature.  

The travel logistics alone would make it an absolute nightmare to put them in a conference due to their "No Sunday travel" policy.

BYU in a super-conference is not happening.

[Panjandrum]

BITB: 99% the KSU cats land in a BCS league 

This makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside

There are current 67 BCS schools.  68 if you include TCU (since they'll be in the BCS next year).

If you cut out the following four schools, everyone gets a spot:

TCU
USF
Baylor
ISU

Now, put KSU up against those four, realistically, and I'd say it's 90% on merit.  Throw the fact that we're lumped into the same BOR as KU, and you have 100%.

No way we're left out of any 64 team scenario.

There are currently 66 teams in BCS conferences, next year TCU will make 67.  (Unless you consider ND BCS)

Yes, ND is BCS.

[theKSU]

Navy, Air Force, BYU and Boise State would probably have to be added.  Not sure what total that makes. 

[Panjandrum]

Navy, Air Force, BYU and Boise State would probably have to be added.  Not sure what total that makes. 

Why?

[doom]

  This thread used to BE something.

[Cartierfor3]

Navy, Air Force, BYU and Boise State would be candidates to be added.  Not sure what total that makes. 

fyp

[Saulbadguy]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1136685/index.htm

[FranklyFrankYou]

Some Pac guy just owned KU on the comments section.  It may not all be true(i dunno, don't care) but it'll be interesting to see what is said after what  FormerlyFromKUMike said.

[hemmy]

Still have yet to hear a pro-superconference argument...

[nicname]

BITB: 99% the KSU cats land in a BCS league  

This makes me feel warm and fuzzy on the inside

There are current 67 BCS schools.  68 if you include TCU (since they'll be in the BCS next year).

If you cut out the following four schools, everyone gets a spot:

TCU
USF
Baylor
ISU

Now, put KSU up against those four, realistically, and I'd say it's 90% on merit.  Throw the fact that we're lumped into the same BOR as KU, and you have 100%.

No way we're left out of any 64 team scenario.

There are also some non-BCS programs, like BYU, that we would be competing against for that last spot.

Would we also be competing against Washington State, Oregon State, Indiana, Northwestern, Vandy, Wake Forest etc?  Or are we assuming teams already in one of the ACC, SEC, BIG and PAC are safe?

I think those schools are safe. Nobody is going to get kicked out of an existing conference.

No super conference, especially the Pac, will admit BYU.  Their only hope is the Pac and the Big Ten due to geography, and neither of them will admit them due to their overzealous religious nature.  

The travel logistics alone would make it an absolute nightmare to put them in a conference due to their "No Sunday travel" policy.

BYU in a super-conference is not happening.

The thing is those are all academic conferences, whereas the B12 and BE are made-for-TV sports conferences.  Eventually you will see college football become its own entity.  That means, the 64 or 72 teams form a confederation of some sort.  Once under the rule of the confederation then revenues would be as BITB explained.

The ACC, SEC, B10, PAC etc, would all continue to exist and share revenues as they see fit.  Lesser conferences would also continue to exist.  

[nicname]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1136685/index.htm

good find

[Dr Rick Daris]

oh my. tboone just went insane on espn and said that he didn't think the big12 would end, that he didn't want it to end, that he knew more than the papers, that he didn't think aTm was leaving, that they needed to share revenue more equally, that he thought they would, etc.

[WillieWatanabe]

It was a great interview. So jealous of OSU.

[AppleJack]

We really need an oil tycoon in our corner.

[60scat]

I heard part of T Boone's interview, but find it hard to believe that A&M won't leave this time.   I think there's too much here to repair for them.   I think they are history for the Big 12-- + another possible-.

I did agree that we have to get bthis settled.   We can't stick together and then go through this again next year.