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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #10850 on: September 09, 2011, 10:33:21 AM »
I hope today is more exciting than yesterday.

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« Reply #10851 on: September 09, 2011, 10:37:14 AM »
I hope today is more exciting than yesterday.

Radio said this morning that the uni prezs are sched to meet next Thursday.  Prob be a lull between now and then.

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« Reply #10852 on: September 09, 2011, 10:41:28 AM »
I hope today is more exciting than yesterday.

Radio said this morning that the uni prezs are sched to meet next Thursday.  Prob be a lull between now and then.
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« Reply #10853 on: September 09, 2011, 10:42:28 AM »
Hi everyone,

My name is ksucrcoop, and I'm a conference realignment addict.

Really looking forward to working hard with you all to overcome this affliction.

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« Reply #10854 on: September 09, 2011, 10:45:06 AM »
There are a lot of gems in this article.

http://v4.texags.com/Stories/2873

Obviously A&M considers themselves to be "elite." I'm wondering how they define "Elite." If it's by performance I don't see how they can even make that argument with a straight face unless they are willing to consider K-State elite as well. For the sake of comparison, since 1996 (inception of the Big12):
A&M: 106 total wins, 1-8 bowl record, 2 Big 12 South Div Champs, 1 Big 12 Champ, 1 BCS bowl appearance
KSU: 120 total wins, 6-7 bowl record, 4 Big 12 North Div Champs, 1 Big 12 Champ, 1 BCS bowl appearance

If its from a financial stand point then they're just saying they've done less with more. Basically it boils down to butt hurt. They hate the LHN because they are jealous that their cult following doesn't have the number of TV sets to generate their own cable network. Even if the Big 12 had equal revenue sharing for tier 1 and tier 2 TV contracts and allowed for individual networks, A&M still would not be able to generate as much cash with their own network as UT or OU. They are jumping ship to cling to the equal revenue sharing teat of the SEC. They don't do anything performance wise to make the SEC believe they will add value to future TV contracts. A&M's brand and number of TV sets is highly over valued and they tried to make a move at the most opportune time for them, and it got blocked.  In turn it just creates more butt hurt. Truly entertaining to watch all this unfold. I just wish the media didn't have its collective head so far up it's rear and was willing to identify A&M for what they really are.
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #10855 on: September 09, 2011, 10:51:25 AM »
I hope today is more exciting than yesterday.

Radio said this morning that the uni prezs are sched to meet next Thursday.  Prob be a lull between now and then.

Concessions will need to be made.  I think others have already mentioned, but I'm sure there will be some sort of deal where revenue from all Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights, bowl revenues, etc. are shared equally between schools.  The only exception will be Tier 3 rights, which is where the Big Ten Network, Pac-12 Regional Networks, etc. come into play.   Would it be better for Kansas State if we had a joint network to dump Tier 3 rights on?  Sure.  Would it benefit Texas?  No.  Everyone else?  Maybe Oklahoma, but no one else.  However, conceding Tier 3 revenues and putting those in the hands of the individual schools is okay with me.  Some schools are currently creating infrastructure for that content (OU, KSU), and who knows, maybe in a few years, we may be able to convince a network to simply be a dumping ground and manager of all of that content for us that will generate revenues for everyone else.

Regardless, if UT wants to keep the LHN, they will need to share everything else.  And I think that's absolutely more than fair because, as of right now, there is no better situation for them than the Big 12 in terms of independence and overall revenue generation, even if we split all communal rights equally.

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« Reply #10856 on: September 09, 2011, 10:52:35 AM »
Hi everyone,

My name is ksucrcoop, and I'm a conference realignment addict.

Really looking forward to working hard with you all to overcome this affliction.

Thanks

I can't help you.  I'm even more addicted.

I have some glorious google maps regarding conference realignment and several spreadsheets with various scenarios that span several years.

It is literally my favorite topic.

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« Reply #10857 on: September 09, 2011, 10:55:30 AM »
Hi everyone,

My name is ksucrcoop, and I'm a conference realignment addict.

Really looking forward to working hard with you all to overcome this affliction.

Thanks

I can't help you.  I'm even more addicted.

I have some glorious google maps regarding conference realignment and several spreadsheets with various scenarios that span several years.

It is literally my favorite topic.

Link?  :excited:

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« Reply #10858 on: September 09, 2011, 11:01:27 AM »
I hope today is more exciting than yesterday.

Radio said this morning that the uni prezs are sched to meet next Thursday.  Prob be a lull between now and then.

Concessions will need to be made.  I think others have already mentioned, but I'm sure there will be some sort of deal where revenue from all Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights, bowl revenues, etc. are shared equally between schools.  The only exception will be Tier 3 rights, which is where the Big Ten Network, Pac-12 Regional Networks, etc. come into play.   Would it be better for Kansas State if we had a joint network to dump Tier 3 rights on?  Sure.  Would it benefit Texas?  No.  Everyone else?  Maybe Oklahoma, but no one else.  However, conceding Tier 3 revenues and putting those in the hands of the individual schools is okay with me.  Some schools are currently creating infrastructure for that content (OU, KSU), and who knows, maybe in a few years, we may be able to convince a network to simply be a dumping ground and manager of all of that content for us that will generate revenues for everyone else.

big 10 network is tier 2.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/05/05/televison-contract-breakdown/

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« Reply #10859 on: September 09, 2011, 11:02:47 AM »
I hope today is more exciting than yesterday.

Radio said this morning that the uni prezs are sched to meet next Thursday.  Prob be a lull between now and then.

Concessions will need to be made.  I think others have already mentioned, but I'm sure there will be some sort of deal where revenue from all Tier 1 and Tier 2 rights, bowl revenues, etc. are shared equally between schools.  The only exception will be Tier 3 rights, which is where the Big Ten Network, Pac-12 Regional Networks, etc. come into play.   Would it be better for Kansas State if we had a joint network to dump Tier 3 rights on?  Sure.  Would it benefit Texas?  No.  Everyone else?  Maybe Oklahoma, but no one else.  However, conceding Tier 3 revenues and putting those in the hands of the individual schools is okay with me.  Some schools are currently creating infrastructure for that content (OU, KSU), and who knows, maybe in a few years, we may be able to convince a network to simply be a dumping ground and manager of all of that content for us that will generate revenues for everyone else.

big 10 network is tier 2.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/05/05/televison-contract-breakdown/

I thought they rolled tier 3 into that too?

Regardless, thanks for the link.

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« Reply #10860 on: September 09, 2011, 11:08:58 AM »
I don't think there is a tier 3 in the Big 10 anymore. I thought the Big 10 Net picked up everything below tier 1.
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« Reply #10861 on: September 09, 2011, 11:10:33 AM »
Hi everyone,

My name is ksucrcoop, and I'm a conference realignment addict.

Really looking forward to working hard with you all to overcome this affliction.

Thanks

You should start up an AA chapter at your nearest bar.

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« Reply #10862 on: September 09, 2011, 11:57:31 AM »
I don't think there is a tier 3 in the Big 10 anymore. I thought the Big 10 Net picked up everything below tier 1.

That's probably correct, which would make sense.  If you have a network, you don't need a Tier 3 because you need all of that for inventory.

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« Reply #10863 on: September 09, 2011, 12:38:24 PM »
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We continue to believe that K-State’s interests are best served in our current contiguous
 geography and great rivalries. Certainly we are continuing to actively work together and with our colleagues to appropriately position K-State’s rich athletics tradition and national brand.

That does not sound like currie is optimistic about the big 12 surviving.  his normal party line is something about the big 12 surviving being our best outcome.This sounds like as long as a drag ku and mu along with us we will be fine

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« Reply #10864 on: September 09, 2011, 12:43:19 PM »
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We continue to believe that K-State’s interests are best served in our current contiguous
 geography and great rivalries. Certainly we are continuing to actively work together and with our colleagues to appropriately position K-State’s rich athletics tradition and national brand.

That does not sound like currie is optimistic about the big 12 surviving.  his normal party line is something about the big 12 surviving being our best outcome.This sounds like as long as a drag ku and mu along with us we will be fine

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« Reply #10865 on: September 09, 2011, 12:51:32 PM »
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We continue to believe that K-State’s interests are best served in our current contiguous
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That does not sound like currie is optimistic about the big 12 surviving.  his normal party line is something about the big 12 surviving being our best outcome.This sounds like as long as a drag ku and mu along with us we will be fine

ooooh, yeah.  that is a change.

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« Reply #10866 on: September 09, 2011, 12:54:48 PM »
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We continue to believe that K-State’s interests are best served in our current contiguous
 geography and great rivalries. Certainly we are continuing to actively work together and with our colleagues to appropriately position K-State’s rich athletics tradition and national brand.

That does not sound like currie is optimistic about the big 12 surviving.  his normal party line is something about the big 12 surviving being our best outcome.This sounds like as long as a drag ku and mu along with us we will be fine

ooooh, yeah.  that is a change.

At least he's woken up now.
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« Reply #10867 on: September 09, 2011, 12:58:28 PM »
Think about this: What if concessions are made by Texas to OU/OSU, etc., and the conference survives with equal revenue sharing. This happens because TX doesn't want to be independent. Meanwhile, they begin being butt hurt and feel that the league is no longer treating them with the respect they deserve as the "big dog" in the conference. They formulate plans and in a couple years join ND in the big 10, and then the conf. implodes.

Any number of butt hurt TX scenarios could keep this thing spinning at full speed for a long time.  :popcorn:

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« Reply #10868 on: September 09, 2011, 01:01:55 PM »
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I decided to head over to Vanier and check in with Coach Snyder. He and Sean had just finished a staff meeting.

Anyone else read this and their first instinct was "Bill is letting Sean co-run the staff meetings now..." and there next thought was "Sean couldn't even get the right guys on the field for punt return, twice, and he's the one Bill is letting help run the ship"... :goodbyecruelworld:
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« Reply #10869 on: September 09, 2011, 02:05:46 PM »
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I decided to head over to Vanier and check in with Coach Snyder. He and Sean had just finished a staff meeting.

Anyone else read this and their first instinct was "Bill is letting Sean co-run the staff meetings now..." and there next thought was "Sean couldn't even get the right guys on the field for punt return, twice, and he's the one Bill is letting help run the ship"... :goodbyecruelworld:

i think that at this point, currie wants him gone as much as we do and put that little nugget in just for us so we could all go "jesus christ! Sean couldn't even get the right guys on the field for punt return, twice, and he's the one Bill is letting help run the ship"... :goodbyecruelworld:

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« Reply #10870 on: September 09, 2011, 02:08:59 PM »
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I decided to head over to Vanier and check in with Coach Snyder. He and Sean had just finished a staff meeting.

Anyone else read this and their first instinct was "Bill is letting Sean co-run the staff meetings now..." and there next thought was "Sean couldn't even get the right guys on the field for punt return, twice, and he's the one Bill is letting help run the ship"... :goodbyecruelworld:

i think that at this point, currie wants him gone as much as we do and put that little nugget in just for us so we could all go "jesus christ! Sean couldn't even get the right guys on the field for punt return, twice, and he's the one Bill is letting help run the ship"... :goodbyecruelworld:


Agreed.

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« Reply #10871 on: September 09, 2011, 02:15:28 PM »
Hey, at least we're batting a thousand for having a punter on the field during punts under Sean.

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« Reply #10872 on: September 09, 2011, 02:16:56 PM »
Hey, at least we're batting a thousand for having a punter on the field during punts under Sean.

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« Reply #10873 on: September 09, 2011, 03:11:02 PM »
Hey, at least we're batting a thousand for having a punter on the field during punts under Sean.

 :excited:

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« Reply #10874 on: September 09, 2011, 03:31:28 PM »
Baylor thinks the Pac-12 is going to make an announcement today.  IF, they make a statement today I have a feeling its going to be the same  "We haven't been approaching any universities about about joining our conference" CYA statement that the SEC made a couple of weeks ago.

http://baylor.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1262869
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