2014-15 big 12 basketball

[OregonSmock]

ksu_FAN has coached little league basketball and studied analytics, so he obviously knows more about basketball than Bill Self.

[420seriouscat69]

  Beems is going after _fan now? This should get good. 

[OregonSmock]

Beems is going after _fan now? This should get good. 

No.  _FAN obviously knows more about basketball than Bill Self, as I said.

[sonofdaxjones]

So Beemsian . . . that a general comment about coaching commentary and styles would illicit so much butthurt.

"No perceived slight,  real or not shall go unchallenged" . . . phogistan creed

[kso_FAN]

ksu_FAN has coached little league basketball and studied analytics, so he obviously knows more about basketball than Bill Self.

You have no idea what I do or have done. Analytics can be very a useful tool for basketball, so don't be dumb.

FWIW, Self's way of winning is very consistent and he's the best coach in the league. I'm not necessarily saying his stance on 3PT shooting is wrong for him and his program (obviously its not), I was more pointing to steffy's post which says shooting 3s is wrong as a general rule in winning basketball, which is simply not true.

That said, with this particularly team it might do Self some good to accept change. He's got his worst 2PT shooting team ever at 45.6%, over 4% worse than any other team he's coached. He also has one of his best 3PT shooting teams 40.9% and currently 30.1% of their shots are 3s. So while he may not want to have 40% of his team's shots as 3s, it might do him some good to be flexible and go for around 35% or so of his teams shots from 3 since they aren't very good at shooting 2s.

But I'm sure you already knew all that.

[Cartierfor3]

LHC Bill Snyder HAS FORGOTTEN MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN YOU COULD EVER HOPE TO KNOW ABOUT IT. I BET YOU THINK YOU'RE REAL TOUGH IN YOUR MOM'S BASEMENT BRO!!!!!!

[420seriouscat69]

 

[OregonSmock]

ksu_FAN has coached little league basketball and studied analytics, so he obviously knows more about basketball than Bill Self.

You have no idea what I do or have done. Analytics can be very a useful tool for basketball, so don't be dumb.

FWIW, Self's way of winning is very consistent and he's the best coach in the league. I'm not necessarily saying his stance on 3PT shooting is wrong for him and his program (obviously its not), I was more pointing to steffy's post which says shooting 3s is wrong as a general rule in winning basketball, which is simply not true.

That said, with this particularly team it might do Self some good to accept change. He's got his worst 2PT shooting team ever at 45.6%, over 4% worse than any other team he's coached. He also has one of his best 3PT shooting teams 40.9% and currently 30.1% of their shots are 3s. So while he may not want to have 40% of his team's shots as 3s, it might do him some good to be flexible and go for around 35% or so of his teams shots from 3 since they aren't very good at shooting 2s.

But I'm sure you already knew all that.

Coach Self has already opened things up offensively and this team is shooting more threes.  So yeah.

[kso_FAN]

I mean every game KU has lost this year they've shot 44% or worse on 2s.

Against OSU they shot 33% on 2s and 50% on 3s.

Against ISU they shot 44% on 2s and 39% on 3s.

Against Temple they shot 30% on 2s and 37% on 3s.

Against Kentucky they shot 20% on 2s and 3s.

Clearly the problem is jacking 3s and not making them in their losses. You may have a case for Kentucky, but they just sucked that game so it doesn't matter. The bigger issues in all their losses were bad defense and allowing teams to be very efficient offensively. But go ahead Bill and keep calling out the fool's gold and one this particular team's biggest strengths.

[OregonSmock]

I mean every game KU has lost this year they've shot 44% or worse on 2s.

Against OSU they shot 33% on 2s and 50% on 3s.

Against ISU they shot 44% on 2s and 39% on 3s.

Against Temple they shot 30% on 2s and 37% on 3s.

Against Kentucky they shot 20% on 2s and 3s.

Clearly the problem is jacking 3s and not making them in their losses. You may have a case for Kentucky, but they just sucked that game so it doesn't matter. The bigger issues in all their losses were bad defense and allowing teams to be very efficient offensively. But go ahead Bill and keep calling out the fool's gold and one this particular team's biggest strengths.

Obviously Bill Self should hire you as a consultant and seek your advice on how to coach his team.

[Mixed-Nutz]

ksu_FAN has coached little league basketball and studied analytics, so he obviously knows more about basketball than Bill Self.

You have no idea what I do or have done. Analytics can be very a useful tool for basketball, so don't be dumb.

FWIW, Self's way of winning is very consistent and he's the best coach in the league. I'm not necessarily saying his stance on 3PT shooting is wrong for him and his program (obviously its not), I was more pointing to steffy's post which says shooting 3s is wrong as a general rule in winning basketball, which is simply not true.

That said, with this particularly team it might do Self some good to accept change. He's got his worst 2PT shooting team ever at 45.6%, over 4% worse than any other team he's coached. He also has one of his best 3PT shooting teams 40.9% and currently 30.1% of their shots are 3s. So while he may not want to have 40% of his team's shots as 3s, it might do him some good to be flexible and go for around 35% or so of his teams shots from 3 since they aren't very good at shooting 2s.

But I'm sure you already knew all that.

Self said something stupid. Does't mean he is stupid.

[kso_FAN]

ksu_FAN has coached little league basketball and studied analytics, so he obviously knows more about basketball than Bill Self.

You have no idea what I do or have done. Analytics can be very a useful tool for basketball, so don't be dumb.

FWIW, Self's way of winning is very consistent and he's the best coach in the league. I'm not necessarily saying his stance on 3PT shooting is wrong for him and his program (obviously its not), I was more pointing to steffy's post which says shooting 3s is wrong as a general rule in winning basketball, which is simply not true.

That said, with this particularly team it might do Self some good to accept change. He's got his worst 2PT shooting team ever at 45.6%, over 4% worse than any other team he's coached. He also has one of his best 3PT shooting teams 40.9% and currently 30.1% of their shots are 3s. So while he may not want to have 40% of his team's shots as 3s, it might do him some good to be flexible and go for around 35% or so of his teams shots from 3 since they aren't very good at shooting 2s.

But I'm sure you already knew all that.

Coach Self has already opened things up offensively and this team is shooting more threes.  So yeah.

30% 3PA is about the Self average. I'm saying he could stand to adjust his philosophy a bit and shoot more because its probably the worst post scoring team Self has ever had. But yeah, he's still going to win this damn league. Again.

[meow meow]

beems going full tuck on _Fan, did not expect that when I woke up this morning.

[kso_FAN]

Self said something stupid. Does't mean he is stupid.

That's really all I was saying. He is the best coach in this league and its not even close. I respect what he does a ton.

But Beems is gonna Beems.

[Spracne]

I think Self is doing the old KC shuffle--tells everyone they'll shoot less 3s->shoots more 3s.

[ChiComCat]

INSERT COACH HERE could never be wrong about anything.
If you disagree with INSERT COACH HERE on anything - you think you are a better coach.

eff, you get excited to see Beems back and then you get shitty talking points like this.

[OregonSmock]

Relying on hot shooting from the perimeter is fool's gold.  It's one of the main reasons why teams like Iowa State never win the league.

[Cartierfor3]

Relying on hot shooting from the perimeter is fool's gold.  It's one of the main reasons why teams like Iowa State never win the league.

Iowa St never wins the league because they suck at defense

[kso_FAN]

Relying on hot shooting from the perimeter is fool's gold.  It's one of the main reasons why teams like Iowa State never win the league.

Or Duke. Or Wisconsin. But yeah.

[OregonSmock]

INSERT COACH HERE could never be wrong about anything.
If you disagree with INSERT COACH HERE on anything - you think you are a better coach.

eff, you get excited to see Beems back and then you get shitty talking points like this.

Insert "_FAN" for "COACH" and you get the overly butthurt reaction we're seeing from goEMAW. 

HOW DARE ANYONE QUESTION STAT BOY!!!!!!

    

[420seriouscat69]

Beems, do you think we agree with everything LHC Bill Snyder says? Untuck a bit, step back, and then move forward.

[OregonSmock]

Relying on hot shooting from the perimeter is fool's gold.  It's one of the main reasons why teams like Iowa State never win the league.

Or Duke. Or Wisconsin. But yeah.

Duke and Wisconsin are both extremely efficient on both sides of the ball and have reliable scorers in the post.  But yeah.

[420seriouscat69]

HOW DARE ANYONE QUESTION STAT BOY!!!!!!

    

OMG! 

[#LIFE]

[kso_FAN]

Relying on hot shooting from the perimeter is fool's gold.  It's one of the main reasons why teams like Iowa State never win the league.

Or Duke. Or Wisconsin. But yeah.

Duke and Wisconsin are both extremely efficient on both sides of the ball and have reliable scorers in the post.  But yeah.

You do realize I'm picking these teams on purpose, correct? Especially as it relates to Coach Self's point about 3PA%? My presumption is that you understand this stat and how those teams use it compared to KU.