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Re: Hacked accounts
« Reply #125 on: September 04, 2014, 11:47:07 AM »
I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?

I've heard this analogy a lot. I think a difference between financial fraud and the photo leaks is that the financial fraud can be undone - you can get your money back. Once these photos are out, they're out. You can't take back what people have already seen.

not to mention the fact that paying bills is something most humans have to do. like have to. i pay bills every month but i've never taken a nude picture of myself with a phone. a bunch of reasons why i suppose but one of them being "what if i lost my phone and people saw it or something". i wouldn't really want that, so i haven't done it. also i think the people that hacked the accounts should get in trouble for the same reason that i think all people who break in and steal should.

C'mon Rick, nobody should have to take responsibility for their own actions, it's 2014.

Take responsibility for their actions? I wasn't aware that photographing yourself nude was illegal or a societal wrong.

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Re: Hacked accounts
« Reply #126 on: September 04, 2014, 11:48:57 AM »
john dougie is responsible for the most unrelated random comments in the Pit, and that's saying a lot.

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« Reply #127 on: September 04, 2014, 12:33:33 PM »
I would like to comment on whoever brought up the Erin Andrews thing a while back. That is completely unrelated and should not be used as a legal comparison. Someone videoed her without her consent while she was locked in her own hotel room. That's miles away from stealing stuff from a phone

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« Reply #128 on: September 04, 2014, 12:48:20 PM »
I would like to comment on whoever brought up the Erin Andrews thing a while back. That is completely unrelated and should not be used as a legal comparison. Someone videoed her without her consent while she was locked in her own hotel room. That's miles away from stealing stuff from a phone
Anybody in a hotel room should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

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« Reply #129 on: September 04, 2014, 12:58:59 PM »
I would like to comment on whoever brought up the Erin Andrews thing a while back. That is completely unrelated and should not be used as a legal comparison. Someone videoed her without her consent while she was locked in her own hotel room. That's miles away from stealing stuff from a phone
Anybody in a hotel room should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

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Re: Hacked accounts
« Reply #130 on: September 04, 2014, 01:06:41 PM »
I'd post a picture of my bedside polaroid camera, but I'd have to take it with my cell phone.

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« Reply #131 on: September 04, 2014, 01:08:05 PM »
I would like to comment on whoever brought up the Erin Andrews thing a while back. That is completely unrelated and should not be used as a legal comparison. Someone videoed her without her consent while she was locked in her own hotel room. That's miles away from stealing stuff from a phone
Anybody in a hotel room should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Is this Dobber sarcasm or what's the deal here
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« Reply #132 on: September 04, 2014, 01:27:10 PM »
Yeah, what is the difference? Erin expected her body to be safe from outside eyes in her locked hotel room, other celebs expected their photos to be safe from outside eyes in their locked cell phones or iCloud accounts. Both were illegally stolen. Argue with the analogy is you like, but that last point really isn't up for debate
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« Reply #133 on: September 04, 2014, 01:40:39 PM »
I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?

I've heard this analogy a lot. I think a difference between financial fraud and the photo leaks is that the financial fraud can be undone - you can get your money back. Once these photos are out, they're out. You can't take back what people have already seen.

not to mention the fact that paying bills is something most humans have to do. like have to. i pay bills every month but i've never taken a nude picture of myself with a phone. a bunch of reasons why i suppose but one of them being "what if i lost my phone and people saw it or something". i wouldn't really want that, so i haven't done it. also i think the people that hacked the accounts should get in trouble for the same reason that i think all people who break in and steal should.

C'mon Rick, nobody should have to take responsibility for their own actions, it's 2014.

Take responsibility for their actions? I wasn't aware that photographing yourself nude was illegal or a societal wrong.

Its not wrong, its not illegal, and its not the fault of the victims.

That said, for celebrities to do this has an insane amount of inherent risk.  The world we live in is obsessed with celebrity, largely obsessed with porn, and there is no computer system that is safe from the right individuals.  This is an optional activity that exposes them to a certain amount of risk.  It shouldn't matter and its not fair, but if they thought this stuff couldn't get out then they were kidding themselves.  Just as athletes and celebrities have to be more careful of girls they sleep with and who they hang out with, they need to be careful of what pictures they take.  In our culture, that is one of the inherent tradeoffs that comes with the many perks of being a celebrity.

Absolutely none of that absolves the people that stole the pictures, who should be prosecuted to the fullest extent.  It isn't to blame the celebrity, it is just to acknowledge the risk they choose to take.  My analogy would probably be a skydiver.  Does a skydiver deserve to die or is he doing anything wrong?  Of course not, but he is doing an optional activity with an inherent risk that needs to be accepted.

 



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Re: Hacked accounts
« Reply #134 on: September 04, 2014, 01:43:11 PM »
Also, nobody has to announce when posting in this thread if there's nude pics of themselves out there somewhere.  Saul updates our log weekly.

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« Reply #135 on: September 04, 2014, 01:43:40 PM »

I don't want to put words into your mouth but you sound like the fact that these were nude photos makes these victims less worthy of sympathy. It's interesting that some people view hackers in a more favorable light than people who decided to do something completely legal but intimate for a loved one. Not saying you fall into this category, I'm not at all sure, but there's a sizable element that do.

I don't feel that way at all. I don't have a favorable view of the hackers at all. They committed an immoral act.

People that think there should be no expectation of privacy on anything stored on the INTERNET make me sad inside. Just because it has become a de facto reality doesn't make it right

You're correct. It isn't right, but it is a fact of life. There's a whole crap ton of stuff in this world that is de facto reality that isn't right. I try to reserve my outrage for the situations that can be changed. As long as the internet is around, creepy, technology skilled people will try to get access to other people's crap.


Thing is, no one really thinks this. It's an easy place to live when we're talking about celebrities and nude photos. If slucat had pictures of her kids hacked, stolen, and sold to a child pornographer (happens all of the time) then we wouldn't hear this internet is free game stuff. There are many many many more examples of stuff that's accessible to the internet that people hold sacred.

Not to mention that "they put it on the internet" is factually incorrect.

Thing is, I really do think that.

It may not have been stored on an easily accessible website, but these pictures were put on the internet. They were stored on devices connected to the internet. That is "being put on the internet".

I agree with most of your sentiments. I do feel sorry for the victims. What happened to them sucks. I think the only place we differ is in our expectations of privacy on the internet, and I'm not going to change your opinion on that. I think your opinion here is the normative one. Mine is the positive.

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Re: Hacked accounts
« Reply #136 on: September 04, 2014, 01:47:39 PM »



People that think there should be no expectation of privacy on anything stored on the INTERNET make me sad inside. Just because it has become a de facto reality doesn't make it right

You're correct. It isn't right, but it is a fact of life. There's a whole crap ton of stuff in this world that is de facto reality that isn't right. I try to reserve my outrage for the situations that can be changed. As long as the internet is around, creepy, technology skilled people will try to get access to other people's crap..
Not only not right, but also illegal.
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« Reply #137 on: September 04, 2014, 01:50:03 PM »



People that think there should be no expectation of privacy on anything stored on the INTERNET make me sad inside. Just because it has become a de facto reality doesn't make it right

You're correct. It isn't right, but it is a fact of life. There's a whole crap ton of stuff in this world that is de facto reality that isn't right. I try to reserve my outrage for the situations that can be changed. As long as the internet is around, creepy, technology skilled people will try to get access to other people's crap..
Not only not right, but also illegal.

I think that I've made it clear that I don't agree with their actions.

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« Reply #138 on: September 04, 2014, 02:04:31 PM »
I am not outraged by the hacking and stealing of the pics. I think it is wrong and the guys are slime and should be prosecuted for their crimes.

My semi-outrage is when people here are arguing that you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.

Creepy guys named Tom have been looking into people's houses for years (even before the internet!) to try to sneak a peek at a naked female. These creeps named Tom will always be there, so I guess you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home?

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Re: Hacked accounts
« Reply #139 on: September 04, 2014, 02:05:56 PM »



People that think there should be no expectation of privacy on anything stored on the INTERNET make me sad inside. Just because it has become a de facto reality doesn't make it right

You're correct. It isn't right, but it is a fact of life. There's a whole crap ton of stuff in this world that is de facto reality that isn't right. I try to reserve my outrage for the situations that can be changed. As long as the internet is around, creepy, technology skilled people will try to get access to other people's crap..
Not only not right, but also illegal.

I think that I've made it clear that I don't agree with their actions.
You have.

I think many think this is some gray area, and I think their argument is akin to the "if she didn't want to get raped, she wouldn't have worn that skirt" argument.
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« Reply #140 on: September 04, 2014, 02:11:34 PM »
I am not outraged by the hacking and stealing of the pics. I think it is wrong and the guys are slime and should be prosecuted for their crimes.

My semi-outrage is when people here are arguing that you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.

Creepy guys named Tom have been looking into people's houses for years (even before the internet!) to try to sneak a peek at a naked female. These creeps named Tom will always be there, so I guess you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home?

I agree with this.  How easy it is to break the law to overcome privacy shouldn't matter.

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« Reply #141 on: September 04, 2014, 03:13:33 PM »
I am not outraged by the hacking and stealing of the pics. I think it is wrong and the guys are slime and should be prosecuted for their crimes.

My semi-outrage is when people here are arguing that you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.

Creepy guys named Tom have been looking into people's houses for years (even before the internet!) to try to sneak a peek at a naked female. These creeps named Tom will always be there, so I guess you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home?

"Reasonable expectation of privacy" is a legal term, and legally speaking, people (even celebrities) definitely can have a REoP regarding some uses of the internet. But from a common sense standpoint, especially for celebrities, you absolutely should not expect safety or privacy in anything you do on the web. They probably shouldn't expect it in a hotel room either. Price of fame and all that. Doesn't make it right, but let's not throw common sense out the window.
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« Reply #142 on: September 04, 2014, 05:24:52 PM »
I am not outraged by the hacking and stealing of the pics. I think it is wrong and the guys are slime and should be prosecuted for their crimes.

My semi-outrage is when people here are arguing that you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.

Creepy guys named Tom have been looking into people's houses for years (even before the internet!) to try to sneak a peek at a naked female. These creeps named Tom will always be there, so I guess you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home?

"Reasonable expectation of privacy" is a legal term, and legally speaking, people (even celebrities) definitely can have a REoP regarding some uses of the internet. But from a common sense standpoint, especially for celebrities, you absolutely should not expect safety or privacy in anything you do on the web. They probably shouldn't expect it in a hotel room either. Price of fame and all that. Doesn't make it right, but let's not throw common sense out the window.
Is "if you take a picture with your phone it is automatically on the internet" common sense?    I'm not an idiot when it comes to technology and I wouldn't have thought that.


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« Reply #143 on: September 04, 2014, 08:50:23 PM »
I do not think 'on the internet' and 'in the cloud' are synonymous. I could be wrong.


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« Reply #144 on: September 04, 2014, 08:52:49 PM »

I do not think 'on the internet' and 'in the cloud' are synonymous. I could be wrong.


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Tha eff do you think "the cloud" is?  The public cloud as a buzzword is the same thing as saying the internet.
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« Reply #145 on: September 04, 2014, 08:54:16 PM »
Do u even network?
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« Reply #146 on: September 04, 2014, 09:56:26 PM »
I am not outraged by the hacking and stealing of the pics. I think it is wrong and the guys are slime and should be prosecuted for their crimes.

My semi-outrage is when people here are arguing that you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.

Creepy guys named Tom have been looking into people's houses for years (even before the internet!) to try to sneak a peek at a naked female. These creeps named Tom will always be there, so I guess you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home?

"Reasonable expectation of privacy" is a legal term, and legally speaking, people (even celebrities) definitely can have a REoP regarding some uses of the internet. But from a common sense standpoint, especially for celebrities, you absolutely should not expect safety or privacy in anything you do on the web. They probably shouldn't expect it in a hotel room either. Price of fame and all that. Doesn't make it right, but let's not throw common sense out the window.
Is "if you take a picture with your phone it is automatically on the internet" common sense?    I'm not an idiot when it comes to technology and I wouldn't have thought that.

No, but it defies common sense as a celebrity to take a picture like that in the first place.
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« Reply #147 on: September 04, 2014, 10:55:44 PM »
i am honestly surprised at the amount of people who dont know how integrated phones/tablets/computers are with the cloud and online backup

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« Reply #148 on: September 04, 2014, 11:08:01 PM »
I'm guessing a huge number of people are uploading their pictures to google or icloud without knowing it.

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« Reply #149 on: September 04, 2014, 11:08:22 PM »
I am not outraged by the hacking and stealing of the pics. I think it is wrong and the guys are slime and should be prosecuted for their crimes.

My semi-outrage is when people here are arguing that you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.

Creepy guys named Tom have been looking into people's houses for years (even before the internet!) to try to sneak a peek at a naked female. These creeps named Tom will always be there, so I guess you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home?

"Reasonable expectation of privacy" is a legal term, and legally speaking, people (even celebrities) definitely can have a REoP regarding some uses of the internet. But from a common sense standpoint, especially for celebrities, you absolutely should not expect safety or privacy in anything you do on the web. They probably shouldn't expect it in a hotel room either. Price of fame and all that. Doesn't make it right, but let's not throw common sense out the window.
Is "if you take a picture with your phone it is automatically on the internet" common sense?    I'm not an idiot when it comes to technology and I wouldn't have thought that.

No, but it defies common sense as a celebrity to take a picture like that in the first place.

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