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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: The Big Train on September 01, 2014, 12:04:13 PM
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So if you didn't know there was a huge hacked account leak yesterday for pictures. Several high profile peoples nude pics were leaked. Now I hate anything censored at all, one of the main reasons I love gE so much.
My question is what do you guys think about leaking hacked photos? I mean is it their fault for taking them to begin with? Should it be fair game since they choose to upload them to the cloud? Is it the same as selling stolen merchandise? Should we even care?
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So if you didn't know there was a huge hacked account leak yesterday for pictures. Several high profile peoples nude pics were leaked. Now I hate anything censored at all, one of the main reasons I love gE so much.
My question is what do you guys think about leaking hacked photos? I mean is it their fault for taking them to begin with? Should it be fair game since they choose to upload them to the cloud? Is it the same as selling stolen merchandise? Should we even care?
It absolutely shouldn't be fair game. Accessing them was a criminal act, and so is hosting/looking at the pictures. Possession of stolen property.
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Their publicists are all high-fiving and fist-pumping 'til their arms fall off.
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So is that the same as downloading a song, that's stolen property. I'm not saying hacked nude pics and songs are the same thing. Looking at it from a legal standpoint tho.
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Criminal. But people are dumbasses
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Hard to condemn them when I have taken thousands of naked pictures with my phone
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So if you didn't know there was a huge hacked account leak yesterday for pictures. Several high profile peoples nude pics were leaked. Now I hate anything censored at all, one of the main reasons I love gE so much.
My question is what do you guys think about leaking hacked photos? I mean is it their fault for taking them to begin with? Should it be fair game since they choose to upload them to the cloud? Is it the same as selling stolen merchandise? Should we even care?
It absolutely shouldn't be fair game. Accessing them was a criminal act, and so is hosting/looking at the pictures. Possession of stolen property.
Wait, looking at them is a criminal act? I don't expect any G men to show up at my door for looking at Kate Upton's soft, amorphous mid section.
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So if you didn't know there was a huge hacked account leak yesterday for pictures. Several high profile peoples nude pics were leaked. Now I hate anything censored at all, one of the main reasons I love gE so much.
My question is what do you guys think about leaking hacked photos? I mean is it their fault for taking them to begin with? Should it be fair game since they choose to upload them to the cloud? Is it the same as selling stolen merchandise? Should we even care?
If you took Polaroid pictures and had them sitting in a drawer at home, would it be your fault if stolen?
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So if you didn't know there was a huge hacked account leak yesterday for pictures. Several high profile peoples nude pics were leaked. Now I hate anything censored at all, one of the main reasons I love gE so much.
My question is what do you guys think about leaking hacked photos? I mean is it their fault for taking them to begin with? Should it be fair game since they choose to upload them to the cloud? Is it the same as selling stolen merchandise? Should we even care?
If you took Polaroid pictures and had them sitting in a drawer at home, would it be your fault if stolen?
A drawer at home is not readily accessible to anyone with an internet connection in the world.
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Isn't it more like you stored polaroids in a locker in a public place, the locker wasn't as secure as you thought, someone accessed it, made copies of your pics, and left the originals in the locker? Would that be a crime?
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I don't think the place matters is the point I'm making. Nobody had access to them without explicitly and knowingly breaking the law. So yes, the person explicitly and knowingly breaking the law is to blame
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I don't think the place matters is the point I'm making. Nobody had access to them without explicitly and knowingly breaking the law. So yes, the person explicitly and knowingly breaking the law is to blame
Yeah, not sure how that is debatable
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What's the law? I know the guy in the last high profile case got 10 years, but I'm not seeing how it's totally straightforward that this is a crime.
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What's the law? I know the guy in the last high profile case got 10 years, but I'm not seeing how it's totally straightforward that this is a crime.
Unauthorized accessing of secure computer systems is hacking and illegal. Theft, blackmail, violation of privacy, and copyright infringement are some other charges that could likely be brought up in these situations.
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Is OP upset because Kate Upton has the exact same ass as Justin Verlander?
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Sorry you guys had to see my hairy buns and droopy balls.
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What's the law? I know the guy in the last high profile case got 10 years, but I'm not seeing how it's totally straightforward that this is a crime.
Unauthorized accessing of secure computer systems is hacking and illegal. Theft, blackmail, violation of privacy, and copyright infringement are some other charges that could likely be brought up in these situations.
I read a tiny bit about those things and it just reinforced my previous idea that this type of case is not such a straightforward issue. Seriously, if I see a publicly accessible locker that was meant to be locked but left unlocked, is it a crime for me to take a look inside? Why would it be?
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What's the law? I know the guy in the last high profile case got 10 years, but I'm not seeing how it's totally straightforward that this is a crime.
Unauthorized accessing of secure computer systems is hacking and illegal. Theft, blackmail, violation of privacy, and copyright infringement are some other charges that could likely be brought up in these situations.
I read a tiny bit about those things and it just reinforced my previous idea that this type of case is not such a straightforward issue. Seriously, if I see a publicly accessible locker that was meant to be locked but left unlocked, is it a crime for me to take a look inside? Why would it be?
In your example, probably not. In actuality, the locker wasn't unlocked and you took things out of it.
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The publicly accessible locker was locked, and you spent 2-3 days trying to break in to it.
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Reddit is calling it "The Fappening"
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Reddit is calling it "The Fappening"
Pretty great turn of phrase, if you ask me.
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Who got naked?
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The publicly accessible locker was locked, and you spent 2-3 days trying to break in to it.
Did I commit a crime?
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The publicly accessible locker was locked, and you spent 2-3 days trying to break in to it.
Did I commit a crime?
I don't know, maybe?
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Interesting if true
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there was supposed to be another drop. reddit and 4chan actively modding things.
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yeah i have no idea what you were trying to do there
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If this means the Tigers lose more often, then I am ok with it
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If this means the Tigers lose more often, then I am ok with it
started last year http://deadspin.com/justin-verlander-and-his-hacked-photos-a-partial-timel-1629246666
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I just want to party and watch the Royals win a division. It would be so much awesome. If a few celebs get in the crossfire that's their problem.
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25k for more leaks supposedly
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stick to snaps, i guess
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If anyone really wants to work that hard to see me naked, I'd be flattered.
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If this means the Tigers lose more often, then I am ok with it
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If anyone really wants to work that hard to see me naked, I'd be flattered.
I'd feel the same way, and I personally wouldn't mind that much. That being said what was done is criminal and isn't arguable but one needs to be cognizant that taking nude photos of yourself and sending/storing them online poses the risk that you will have them exposed at some point. If you're going to do it at least blur or don't show your face or katpak your head, and boom, much harder to prove that is you.
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My tattoos impede anonymity. :(
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Here's the thing; in this day and age you should assume your crap won't be private. But, the people hacking and leaking this stuff are kinda dorks and definitely assholes. I don't understand why you would want to do that with your time.
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Here's the thing; in this day and age you should assume your crap won't be private. But, the people hacking and leaking this stuff are kinda dorks and definitely assholes. I don't understand why you would want to do that with your time.
b can be a v. v. scary place, my friend.
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Here's the thing; in this day and age you should assume your crap won't be private. But, the people hacking and leaking this stuff are kinda dorks and definitely assholes. I don't understand why you would want to do that with your time.
Also definitely criminals
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Neither being a gigantic bad person nor embarassing someone really, really, REEEALLY bad are crimes. I guess that something like unauthorized access to computer systems is illegal, but we'd be kidding ourselves if we thought that's what people find so obviously condemnable in this case.
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Neither being a gigantic bad person nor embarassing someone really, really, REEEALLY bad are crimes. I guess that something like unauthorized access to computer systems is illegal, but we'd be kidding ourselves if we thought that's what people find so obviously condemnable in this case.
What is the general public actually horrified by then, chum?
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Neither being a gigantic bad person nor embarassing someone really, really, REEEALLY bad are crimes. I guess that something like unauthorized access to computer systems is illegal, but we'd be kidding ourselves if we thought that's what people find so obviously condemnable in this case.
What is the general public actually horrified by then, chum?
Justin Verlander's scrotum.
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Neither being a gigantic bad person nor embarassing someone really, really, REEEALLY bad are crimes. I guess that something like unauthorized access to computer systems is illegal, but we'd be kidding ourselves if we thought that's what people find so obviously condemnable in this case.
What is the general public actually horrified by then, chum?
I'm just wondering if it's a case where the law and morality actually diverge.
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Neither being a gigantic bad person nor embarassing someone really, really, REEEALLY bad are crimes. I guess that something like unauthorized access to computer systems is illegal, but we'd be kidding ourselves if we thought that's what people find so obviously condemnable in this case.
What is the general public actually horrified by then, chum?
I'm just wondering if it's a case where the law and morality actually diverge.
I still don't know what you're trying to articulate.
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Titillation overrides morality for lots of people lots of the time, so I don't see this as a particularly interesting debate about the law vs. morality.
This is much more about the likelihood of primal urges & our social norms regarding celebrity to provide strong motivation to seek flimsy moral reasoning when our actual laws and an obvious moral case for the usefulness of a categorical imperative against invasions of privacy are very obvious.
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Chum1 still doesn't think the hacker(s) did anything illegal? How weird
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Certainly illegal server access. Not a sex crime as some internet drama queens are saying.
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Chum1 still doesn't think the hacker(s) did anything illegal? How weird
I don't know much about the law.
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I think people are also so pumped about this because it confirms what most people already thought; that celebrities just sit around all day banging eachother
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:fatty:
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Hide yo MHz if you've downloaded Malroney pics.
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Titillation overrides morality for lots of people lots of the time, so I don't see this as a particularly interesting debate about the law vs. morality.
This is much more about the likelihood of primal urges & our social norms regarding celebrity to provide strong motivation to seek flimsy moral reasoning when our actual laws and an obvious moral case for the usefulness of a categorical imperative against invasions of privacy are very obvious.
Oh you're worried about the Tigers aren't you
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Reddit is calling it "The Fappening"
Pretty great turn of phrase, if you ask me.
I knew you'd appreciate it
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Titillation overrides morality for lots of people lots of the time, so I don't see this as a particularly interesting debate about the law vs. morality.
This is much more about the likelihood of primal urges & our social norms regarding celebrity to provide strong motivation to seek flimsy moral reasoning when our actual laws and an obvious moral case for the usefulness of a categorical imperative against invasions of privacy are very obvious.
Oh you're worried about the Tigers aren't you
Taking a 1 game lead last night would've been nice, but the Rangers are really, really, really bad at baseball. What can you do?
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It was wrong to steal them and it's wrong to look at them.
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It was wrong to steal them and it's wrong to look at them.
Why is it wrong to look at them? Do you invoke ethics or morality? Either way, be consistent with your application.
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Kate Upton looks heavier than I would have expected. Is Jennifer Lawrence even 18?
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It was wrong to steal them and it's wrong to look at them.
Why is it wrong to look at them? Do you invoke ethics or morality? Either way, be consistent with your application.
On moral grounds. I think it's wrong because they're personal photos that weren't meant to be released to the public. If someone leaked nude photos of me I would hope people wouldn't look at them. In short, I don't think it's any of my business.
If you want to look at naked chicks on the internet then I think you should probably stick to the chicks who choose to be seen naked on the internet.
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I saw an article on CNN about 3 mo ago that said approx 80% of the pics of chicks on the Internet are hacked/stolen from personal accts. If accurate, this seems like the norm rather than the exception. Just hapoens that it is a bunch of famous ppl.
I am not saying that I agree with this being ok. Just saying that it got hardly any attention unt it involved celebs.
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i love dlew. he's the conscience of the board.
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If you have nude pictures of yourself stored in a location accessible to the internet, and are complaining about people looking at them, you are the same as a person who dresses them self in front of picture window facing a busy street. You may not want anyone looking at your naked body, but you're rough ridin' unreasonable if you think they can't help but notice.
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If you have nude pictures of yourself stored in a location accessible to the internet, and are complaining about people looking at them, you are the same as a person who dresses them self in front of picture window facing a busy street. You may not want anyone looking at your naked body, but you're rough ridin' unreasonable if you think they can't help but notice.
what if you have a flimsy lock on a window cover and someone breaks the lock and then opens the cover. are you still unreasonable?
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If you have nude pictures of yourself stored in a location accessible to the internet, and are complaining about people looking at them, you are the same as a person who dresses them self in front of picture window facing a busy street. You may not want anyone looking at your naked body, but you're rough ridin' unreasonable if you think they can't help but notice.
what if you have a flimsy lock on a window cover and someone breaks the lock and then opens the cover. are you still unreasonable?
one step further, what if you left the key to unlock the door under the doormat in front of the door?
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If you have nude pictures of yourself stored in a location accessible to the internet, and are complaining about people looking at them, you are the same as a person who dresses them self in front of picture window facing a busy street. You may not want anyone looking at your naked body, but you're rough ridin' unreasonable if you think they can't help but notice.
what if you have a flimsy lock on a window cover and someone breaks the lock and then opens the cover. are you still unreasonable?
Sorry, not poor. What is a window cover? Is that like shutters or something?
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If you have nude pictures of yourself stored in a location accessible to the internet, and are complaining about people looking at them, you are the same as a person who dresses them self in front of picture window facing a busy street. You may not want anyone looking at your naked body, but you're rough ridin' unreasonable if you think they can't help but notice.
what a stupid analogy
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If you have nude pictures of yourself stored in a location accessible to the internet, and are complaining about people looking at them, you are the same as a person who dresses them self in front of picture window facing a busy street. You may not want anyone looking at your naked body, but you're rough ridin' unreasonable if you think they can't help but notice.
what if you have a flimsy lock on a window cover and someone breaks the lock and then opens the cover. are you still unreasonable?
Sorry, not poor. What is a window cover? Is that like shutters or something?
it's an item that covers a window so you can't see though it, how rough ridin' dense are you, holy crap
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If you have nude pictures of yourself stored in a location accessible to the internet, and are complaining about people looking at them, you are the same as a person who dresses them self in front of picture window facing a busy street. You may not want anyone looking at your naked body, but you're rough ridin' unreasonable if you think they can't help but notice.
what if you have a flimsy lock on a window cover and someone breaks the lock and then opens the cover. are you still unreasonable?
Sorry, not poor. What is a window cover? Is that like shutters or something?
it's an item that covers a window so you can't see though it, how rough ridin' dense are you, holy crap
Oh, okay, an item that covers a window, thanks. I'll assume this item is not transparent and is at least translucent if not opaque.
Anywho, I'll stand by the analogy.
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Fwiw, I'd be cool with rounding up the paparazzi and lining them up for execution in a manner than saves bullets
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It was wrong to steal them and it's wrong to look at them.
Why is it wrong to look at them? Do you invoke ethics or morality? Either way, be consistent with your application.
On moral grounds. I think it's wrong because they're personal photos that weren't meant to be released to the public. If someone leaked nude photos of me I would hope people wouldn't look at them. In short, I don't think it's any of my business.
If you want to look at naked chicks on the internet then I think you should probably stick to the chicks who choose to be seen naked on the internet.
As someone who has had nude pictures of himself distributed without his consent, I can tell you I would expect that people would look at them, and I would not begrudge them the perusal thereof. Now, duplicating and/or distributing said images is a different story, but merely being the terminus of a chain of custody does no harm. I'm very secure with my body, though. I've even been thinking of going into a profession where I can capitalize on selling my image and likeness.
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It was wrong to steal them and it's wrong to look at them.
Why is it wrong to look at them? Do you invoke ethics or morality? Either way, be consistent with your application.
On moral grounds. I think it's wrong because they're personal photos that weren't meant to be released to the public. If someone leaked nude photos of me I would hope people wouldn't look at them. In short, I don't think it's any of my business.
If you want to look at naked chicks on the internet then I think you should probably stick to the chicks who choose to be seen naked on the internet.
I can tell you I would expect that people would look at them, and I would not begrudge them the perusal thereof.
OK well then I don't think there's any moral issue of looking at naked pics of Sprac. But at least some of the people who got naked photos released aren't quite as free-wheeling as you.
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It was wrong to steal them and it's wrong to look at them.
Why is it wrong to look at them? Do you invoke ethics or morality? Either way, be consistent with your application.
On moral grounds. I think it's wrong because they're personal photos that weren't meant to be released to the public. If someone leaked nude photos of me I would hope people wouldn't look at them. In short, I don't think it's any of my business.
If you want to look at naked chicks on the internet then I think you should probably stick to the chicks who choose to be seen naked on the internet.
I can tell you I would expect that people would look at them, and I would not begrudge them the perusal thereof.
OK well then I don't think there's any moral issue of looking at naked pics of Sprac. But at least some of the people who got naked photos released aren't quite as free-wheeling as you.
I think it is unfortunate for them, but I dare not venture into the moral grounds in their defense. Child please.
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I think it is unfortunate for them, but I dare not venture into the moral grounds in their defense. Child please.
why not?
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I think it is unfortunate for them, but I dare not venture into the moral grounds in their defense. Child please.
why not?
Well then, perhaps one might proffer the view that their immoral, salacious, scandalous and indecent fornications have been laid bare for the world to witness as atonement for their sins. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
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If you have nude pictures of yourself stored in a location accessible to the internet, and are complaining about people looking at them, you are the same as a person who dresses them self in front of picture window facing a busy street. You may not want anyone looking at your naked body, but you're rough ridin' unreasonable if you think they can't help but notice.
Of course this is your take. I'm not surprised, it's consistent with your usual tone; one of an antisocial pig completely unhappy with your life so you feed on the misery of others like a tick. The difference between people like you and the Elliot Rodgers of this world it's guts and motivation.
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I think it is unfortunate for them, but I dare not venture into the moral grounds in their defense. Child please.
why not?
Well then, perhaps one might proffer the view that their immoral, salacious, scandalous and indecent fornications have been laid bare for the world to witness as atonement for their sins. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
I'll preface this with my 99% certainty that your post wasn't serious, but in case you weren't: What about the married people who took the pictures for their husbands? It's taking naked selfies a sin in the 21st century addendum to the bible?
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I think it is unfortunate for them, but I dare not venture into the moral grounds in their defense. Child please.
why not?
Well then, perhaps one might proffer the view that their immoral, salacious, scandalous and indecent fornications have been laid bare for the world to witness as atonement for their sins. The Lord works in mysterious ways.
I'll preface this with my 99% certainty that your post wasn't serious, but in case you weren't: What about the married people who took the pictures for their husbands? It's taking naked selfies a sin in the 21st century addendum to the bible?
I don't know, I haven't read any of the Harry Potter books.
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it's pretty crummy and whoever hacked the stuff should get in big time troubs. but there's a small part of me that thinks this is similar to markering the face of some passed out person. crappy and i wouldn't ever do it or want it done to me but eff, you know?
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it's pretty crummy and whoever hacked the stuff should get in big time troubs. but there's a small part of me that thinks this is similar to markering the face of some passed out person. crappy and i wouldn't ever do it or want it done to me but eff, you know?
I guess that's the difference between you and a worthwhile individual.
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it's pretty crummy and whoever hacked the stuff should get in big time troubs. but there's a small part of me that thinks this is similar to markering the face of some passed out person. crappy and i wouldn't ever do it or want it done to me but eff, you know?
Not that I've ever markered the face of a drunk person but it seems like that hardly raises to the level of any type of privacy invasion. I mean one of the victims said she took her picture three years ago for her husband and it was long deleted from her device when the leak happened.
What people keep forgetting in all of their silly analogies is that this hack isn't limited to celebrity nudes. It's not like they saw a file titled "Kate Upton tits" and left it at that. You know what's more common than people taking naked pictures, people taking pictures of their kids. Not that I'm stupid enough to use an iPhone, my wife is, but two years ago when my daughters took their first bubble bath we took a picture, it was cute. Do you trust that whomever hacked into icloud isn't a sick kiddie pervert or is above selling pictures to sick kiddie perverts? Is that analogous to marking on someone's face?
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it's pretty crummy and whoever hacked the stuff should get in big time troubs. but there's a small part of me that thinks this is similar to markering the face of some passed out person. crappy and i wouldn't ever do it or want it done to me but eff, you know?
Not that I've ever markered the face of a drunk person but it seems like that hardly raises to the level of any type of privacy invasion. I mean one of the victims said she took her picture three years ago for her husband and it was long deleted from her device when the leak happened.
What people keep forgetting in all of their silly analogies is that this hack isn't limited to celebrity nudes. It's not like they saw a file titled "Kate Upton tits" and left it at that. You know what's more common than people taking naked pictures, people taking pictures of their kids. Not that I'm stupid enough to use an iPhone, my wife is, but two years ago when my daughters took their first bubble bath we took a picture, it was cute. Do you trust that whomever hacked into icloud isn't a sick kiddie pervert or is above selling pictures to sick kiddie perverts? Is that analogous to marking on someone's face?
so you agree that the people that hacked it should get into trouble and that it shares some small similarities will permanent markering on the face of a passed out person? good. glad we agree.
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i would like to see what really gets ricky d's blood boiling (besides punk kids speeding)
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it's pretty crummy and whoever hacked the stuff should get in big time troubs. but there's a small part of me that thinks this is similar to markering the face of some passed out person. crappy and i wouldn't ever do it or want it done to me but eff, you know?
Not that I've ever markered the face of a drunk person but it seems like that hardly raises to the level of any type of privacy invasion. I mean one of the victims said she took her picture three years ago for her husband and it was long deleted from her device when the leak happened.
What people keep forgetting in all of their silly analogies is that this hack isn't limited to celebrity nudes. It's not like they saw a file titled "Kate Upton tits" and left it at that. You know what's more common than people taking naked pictures, people taking pictures of their kids. Not that I'm stupid enough to use an iPhone, my wife is, but two years ago when my daughters took their first bubble bath we took a picture, it was cute. Do you trust that whomever hacked into icloud isn't a sick kiddie pervert or is above selling pictures to sick kiddie perverts? Is that analogous to marking on someone's face?
i lol'd for a good 2 min after i saw this, applies to a lot of people
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it's pretty crummy and whoever hacked the stuff should get in big time troubs. but there's a small part of me that thinks this is similar to markering the face of some passed out person. crappy and i wouldn't ever do it or want it done to me but eff, you know?
Not that I've ever markered the face of a drunk person but it seems like that hardly raises to the level of any type of privacy invasion. I mean one of the victims said she took her picture three years ago for her husband and it was long deleted from her device when the leak happened.
What people keep forgetting in all of their silly analogies is that this hack isn't limited to celebrity nudes. It's not like they saw a file titled "Kate Upton tits" and left it at that. You know what's more common than people taking naked pictures, people taking pictures of their kids. Not that I'm stupid enough to use an iPhone, my wife is, but two years ago when my daughters took their first bubble bath we took a picture, it was cute. Do you trust that whomever hacked into icloud isn't a sick kiddie pervert or is above selling pictures to sick kiddie perverts? Is that analogous to marking on someone's face?
so you agree that the people that hacked it should get into trouble and that it shares some small similarities will permanent markering on the face of a passed out person? good. glad we agree.
Is the "get in trouble" with regard to writing on someone's face is the person waking up and mustering up 10 seconds of faux outrage? Cause again, not that I know but it seems like that's the cap on someone getting in trouble for writing on someone's face. @trim & @fily, am I on the right track here?
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:curse: At least I played along. Somehow Trim still hates me afterwards. :curse:
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it's pretty crummy and whoever hacked the stuff should get in big time troubs. but there's a small part of me that thinks this is similar to markering the face of some passed out person. crappy and i wouldn't ever do it or want it done to me but eff, you know?
Not that I've ever markered the face of a drunk person but it seems like that hardly raises to the level of any type of privacy invasion. I mean one of the victims said she took her picture three years ago for her husband and it was long deleted from her device when the leak happened.
What people keep forgetting in all of their silly analogies is that this hack isn't limited to celebrity nudes. It's not like they saw a file titled "Kate Upton tits" and left it at that. You know what's more common than people taking naked pictures, people taking pictures of their kids. Not that I'm stupid enough to use an iPhone, my wife is, but two years ago when my daughters took their first bubble bath we took a picture, it was cute. Do you trust that whomever hacked into icloud isn't a sick kiddie pervert or is above selling pictures to sick kiddie perverts? Is that analogous to marking on someone's face?
so you agree that the people that hacked it should get into trouble and that it shares some small similarities will permanent markering on the face of a passed out person? good. glad we agree.
Is the "get in trouble" with regard to writing on someone's face is the person waking up and mustering up 10 seconds of faux outrage? Cause again, not that I know but it seems like that's the cap on someone getting in trouble for writing on someone's face. @trim & @fily, am I on the right track here?
i don't understand your post. here is my opinion...
1)someone taking nude pictures of themselves on something that is internet accessible= leaving themselves vulnerable to people looking to cause problems.
2)someone getting so drunk that they pass out and can't defend themselves=leaving themselves vulnerable to people looking to cause problems.
what is similar from there, i don't know...
marking on their face vs hacking nude photos? probably not. hacking nude photos is worse in my opinion.
putting your balls on their face vs hacking nude photos? idk. maybe. sexual assault?
putting your penis in their mouth vs. hacking nude photos? penis seems worse.
stealing their wallet if you are at a house party at their house and they pass out vs hacking nude photos? tie? seems like it.
stealing two beers from their fridge if you are at a house party at their house and they pass out vs hacking nude photos? hacking nude photos worse in my opinion.
so in my opinion, hacking these photos is basically like stealing the wallet from the passed out homeowner of a house party but not as bad as just taking two beers from him/her.
some personal responsibility for the fact that he shouldn't have passed out and the people that stole the wallet should go to jail or whatever. the people that were just drunk around 2am and drank two beers? let them go.
where people get weird and wrong in my opinion is differentiating nude photos from money or a computer or beers and a wallet at 2am and wanting these people to have some kind of death sentence or something. just my opinion.
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1)someone taking nude pictures of themselves on something that is internet accessible= leaving themselves vulnerable to people looking to cause problems.
2)someone getting so drunk that they pass out and can't defend themselves=leaving themselves vulnerable to people looking to cause problems.
Well here is the first problem right here. Those people had no intent of anything being on the internet, they didn't put it there, they took pictures with their phone. I'm not into victim blaming in any circumstance but in your second example the victim did something reckless before they were victimized. In 2014 your entire life in accessible on the internet, is opening a bank account to pay your bills akin to getting blacked out drunk?
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1)someone taking nude pictures of themselves on something that is internet accessible= leaving themselves vulnerable to people looking to cause problems.
2)someone getting so drunk that they pass out and can't defend themselves=leaving themselves vulnerable to people looking to cause problems.
Well here is the first problem right here. Those people had no intent of anything being on the internet, they didn't put it there, they took pictures with their phone. I'm not into victim blaming in any circumstance but in your second example the victim did something reckless before they were victimized. In 2014 your entire life in accessible on the internet, is opening a bank account to pay your bills akin to getting blacked out drunk?
so, having an iPhone, they had no idea this would be uploaded to the cloud?
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LOL TIGERS
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1)someone taking nude pictures of themselves on something that is internet accessible= leaving themselves vulnerable to people looking to cause problems.
2)someone getting so drunk that they pass out and can't defend themselves=leaving themselves vulnerable to people looking to cause problems.
Well here is the first problem right here. Those people had no intent of anything being on the internet, they didn't put it there, they took pictures with their phone. I'm not into victim blaming in any circumstance but in your second example the victim did something reckless before they were victimized. In 2014 your entire life in accessible on the internet, is opening a bank account to pay your bills akin to getting blacked out drunk?
you rarely make no sense. what's up?
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I think it made sense.
Everybody's talking about how reckless it is to take pictures with something connected to the internet, but 99% of the world's cameras are phones that are connected to the internet by default.
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I think it made sense.
Everybody's talking about how reckless it is to take pictures with something connected to the internet, but 99% of the world's cameras are phones that are connected to the internet by default.
have you ever taken a nude picture of yourself with your cellphone? if yes, are you a celebrity that people would go out of their way to get that picture? also, i'm not even saying it's THAT reckless but it kind of is and i won't accept an argument saying it isn't. it's a rough ridin' naked photo that you took of yourself! guess what? somewhat might see it and guess what? if you are known throughout the world then people might try really hard to see it.
in general, people are getting worked up because they feel these people stole something personal. a first kiss. their virginity. whatever. i get that. it sucks big time and i feel for them. the problem is, they didn't. they had a wallet or a computer or a microwave stolen.
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1)someone taking nude pictures of themselves on something that is internet accessible= leaving themselves vulnerable to people looking to cause problems.
2)someone getting so drunk that they pass out and can't defend themselves=leaving themselves vulnerable to people looking to cause problems.
Well here is the first problem right here. Those people had no intent of anything being on the internet, they didn't put it there, they took pictures with their phone. I'm not into victim blaming in any circumstance but in your second example the victim did something reckless before they were victimized. In 2014 your entire life in accessible on the internet, is opening a bank account to pay your bills akin to getting blacked out drunk?
so, having an iPhone, they had no idea this would be uploaded to the cloud?
Most people don't, no, same with androids. I'm tech savvy and I got suckered with the permissions from the new facebook messenger app.
in general, people are getting worked up because they feel these people stole something personal. a first kiss. their virginity. whatever. i get that. it sucks big time and i feel for them. the problem is, they didn't. they had a wallet or a computer or a microwave stolen.
I don't think that's up for anyone, other than the person affected, to determine. I certainly hope that no one that I care for is placed in this position and their feelings fall somewhere in the spectrum between getting their wallet stolen and feeling like they were raped. These people being in the public eye helps them deal with this in ways others can't. There are stories of regular people having compromising photos of them posted online and that coupled with increased scrutiny caused suicide.
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http://archive.cincinnati.com/article/20090322/NEWS01/903220312/Nude-photo-led-suicide
http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/sexting-related-bullying-cited-in-hillsborough-teens-suicide/1054895
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/bulle/features/2010/what_really_happened_to_phoebe_prince/the_untold_story_of_her_suicide_and_the_role_of_the_kids_who_have_been_criminally_charged_for_it.html
I don't think these parents would agree with the stolen wallet analogy, in the Phoebe Prince case and previously unmentioned Erin Andrews case the law certainly didn't.
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You guys have heard about the celeb nudes trading ring, right? What got leaked from that 4chan spin off last weekend only begins to scratch the surface. That's why that lady's picture from several years ago showed up. This has been going on for sometime.
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http://archive.cincinnati.com/article/20090322/NEWS01/903220312/Nude-photo-led-suicide
http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/sexting-related-bullying-cited-in-hillsborough-teens-suicide/1054895
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/bulle/features/2010/what_really_happened_to_phoebe_prince/the_untold_story_of_her_suicide_and_the_role_of_the_kids_who_have_been_criminally_charged_for_it.html
I don't think these parents would agree with the stolen wallet analogy, in the Phoebe Prince case and previously unmentioned Erin Andrews case the law certainly didn't.
i'm baffled. were phoebe prince and erin adrews both adults who took nude pictures of themselves on an internet accessible device and then had them hacked and stolen? if not, then relavence? also, keep in mind that i want the people who hacked and stole and who are relevant to this thread to be punished.
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You guys have heard about the celeb nudes trading ring, right? What got leaked from that 4chan spin off last weekend only begins to scratch the surface. That's why that lady's picture from several years ago showed up. This has been going on for sometime.
yeah. i do. not sure mir does. :dunno:
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Daris, why are you up so late?
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You guys have heard about the celeb nudes trading ring, right? What got leaked from that 4chan spin off last weekend only begins to scratch the surface. That's why that lady's picture from several years ago showed up. This has been going on for sometime.
yeah. i do. not sure mir does. :dunno:
We were talking about how you think these women, should view this as if their wallets were stolen. I am legitimately confused as to what Metalhead's post has to do with anything I've said. I don't think he was interjecting this into what we were discussing. Did I say anything about prevalence and frequency?
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I didn't read the whole Daris and MiR discussion before posting my earlier comment.
These hackers didn't bumble around on the internet testing iCloud accounts until they stumbled across Verlander's. You make it sound like some smash and grab job. They were targeted specifically for their celebrity.
I agree with Daris. What was stolen is simply an object. Some objects have deeper personal value to their owners than others. Theft is wrong. Slut shaming is another issue entirely. These pictures were stolen from these celebrities for some sort of personal gratification, not to shame the individual.
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We were talking about how you think these women, should view this as if their wallets were stolen. I am legitimately confused as to what Metalhead's post has to do with anything I've said. I don't think he was interjecting this into what we were discussing. Did I say anything about prevalence and frequency?
This post led me to believe that you weren't quite familiar with what was going on.
Not that I've ever markered the face of a drunk person but it seems like that hardly raises to the level of any type of privacy invasion. I mean one of the victims said she took her picture three years ago for her husband and it was long deleted from her device when the leak happened.
What people keep forgetting in all of their silly analogies is that this hack isn't limited to celebrity nudes. It's not like they saw a file titled "Kate Upton tits" and left it at that. You know what's more common than people taking naked pictures, people taking pictures of their kids. Not that I'm stupid enough to use an iPhone, my wife is, but two years ago when my daughters took their first bubble bath we took a picture, it was cute. Do you trust that whomever hacked into icloud isn't a sick kiddie pervert or is above selling pictures to sick kiddie perverts? Is that analogous to marking on someone's face?
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I mean, the internet is still real life. It seems pretty silly to me that people who take all of these precautions to keep themselves shielded from the public in other facets of their life, wouldn't take the same measures for digital content they put on the internet. I'm sorry. What happened to them sucks, but c'mon. They know that people are constantly trying to pry into their lives, because our society eats that crap up. I don't really understand how anyone is surprised here.
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I didn't read the whole Daris and MiR discussion before posting my earlier comment.
These hackers didn't bumble around on the internet testing iCloud accounts until they stumbled across Verlander's. You make it sound like some smash and grab job. They were targeted specifically for their celebrity.
I agree with Daris. What was stolen is simply an object. Some objects have deeper personal value to their owners than others. Theft is wrong. Slut shaming is another issue entirely. These pictures were stolen from these celebrities for some sort of personal gratification, not to shame the individual.
Yeah of course the release was targeted, that's common sense. They have access to so much more than that, there is no athlete and celebrity iCloud, these criminals have photos and personal info for thousands, if not millions of regular people. That being said, I don't want you to be confused about how I feel about this issue. I couldn't care less about the method, frequency, or the motivation of those who released these or any other photos; it isn't relevant. Side note, I don't buy Apple's explanation of these people being victim to a phishing scam.
With your second point, again the value of these photos aren't up for any of us to agree or disagree. That is solely determined by each individual victim. I wouldn't at all doubt that some of these women don't care at all, while others may view this as the ultimate invasion into their private lives. That isn't for anyone else to determine.
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I mean, the internet is still real life. It seems pretty silly to me that people who take all of these precautions to keep themselves shielded from the public in other facets of their life, wouldn't take the same measures for digital content they put on the internet. I'm sorry. What happened to them sucks, but c'mon. They know that people are constantly trying to pry into their lives, because our society eats that crap up. I don't really understand how anyone is surprised here.
Are you saying that an 18 year old that had the audacity of competing in the Olympics at 16 years old shouldn't have the same expectation of privacy as anyone else?
And again, I'll take exception to "digital content they put on the internet." There's lots of information about all of us accessible to hackers that we didn't put there. I'm assuming you have a job, have a bank account, or pay bills, right?
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I don't think it's very reasonable for anyone to have an expectation of privacy in regards to the actions they take on any device connected to the internet, even less reasonable for celebrities. The only way to guarantee privacy is to not access the internet.
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This is one of those times where gE is hard.
Creeps did a crime. Stuff on the cloud or on my computer is mine. If anybody accesses it WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION, then they are committing a crime.
Writing on a FRIEND's face is a childish prank.
If I have been trolled, well done.
Gonna win 'em all!
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I mean, the internet is still real life. It seems pretty silly to me that people who take all of these precautions to keep themselves shielded from the public in other facets of their life, wouldn't take the same measures for digital content they put on the internet. I'm sorry. What happened to them sucks, but c'mon. They know that people are constantly trying to pry into their lives, because our society eats that crap up. I don't really understand how anyone is surprised here.
Are you saying that an 18 year old that had the audacity of competing in the Olympics at 16 years old shouldn't have the same expectation of privacy as anyone else?
And again, I'll take exception to "digital content they put on the internet." There's lots of information about all of us accessible to hackers that we didn't put there. I'm assuming you have a job, have a bank account, or pay bills, right?
She is/was a public figure. Society is shitty. I think she should. However, there's plenty of people who disagree with me and want to know what she had for breakfast.
If you put it on a device with access to the internet, it's on the internet. Yes, I'm fully aware that almost everything I have ever done is on the internet. That's the way life works. You know what I don't have online? Any nude photos, mostly because I haven't taken any, but also because I haven't but them on a device with access to the internet or given them to anyone. As far as I know, that's the only way to maintain sole possession of digital content.
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I mean, the internet is still real life. It seems pretty silly to me that people who take all of these precautions to keep themselves shielded from the public in other facets of their life, wouldn't take the same measures for digital content they put on the internet. I'm sorry. What happened to them sucks, but c'mon. They know that people are constantly trying to pry into their lives, because our society eats that crap up. I don't really understand how anyone is surprised here.
Are you saying that an 18 year old that had the audacity of competing in the Olympics at 16 years old shouldn't have the same expectation of privacy as anyone else?
And again, I'll take exception to "digital content they put on the internet." There's lots of information about all of us accessible to hackers that we didn't put there. I'm assuming you have a job, have a bank account, or pay bills, right?
She is/was a public figure. Society is shitty. I think she should. However, there's plenty of people who disagree with me and want to know what she had for breakfast.
If you put it on a device with access to the internet, it's on the internet. Yes, I'm fully aware that almost everything I have ever done is on the internet. That's the way life works. You know what I don't have online? Any nude photos, mostly because I haven't taken any, but also because I haven't but them on a device with access to the internet or given them to anyone. As far as I know, that's the only way to maintain sole possession of digital content.
I don't want to put words into your mouth but you sound like the fact that these were nude photos makes these victims less worthy of sympathy. It's interesting that some people view hackers in a more favorable light than people who decided to do something completely legal but intimate for a loved one. Not saying you fall into this category, I'm not at all sure, but there's a sizable element that do.
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If you want to be a multi millionaire, you are going to have assets. These assets are out there in many forms...investments in stocks, bonds, mutual funds, real estate, or even just a large chunk of change setting in a bank. Anyway, I guess people know you have this wealth and some of them might try to take it from you. BUT THAT'S OKAY! Let them have it. It's your fault you have all of this money. If you don't want them to get it, you should just give that crap away or spend it or something.
No crime if somebody takes it.
This seems like the argument that is being made.
Gonna win 'em all!
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I mean, the internet is still real life. It seems pretty silly to me that people who take all of these precautions to keep themselves shielded from the public in other facets of their life, wouldn't take the same measures for digital content they put on the internet. I'm sorry. What happened to them sucks, but c'mon. They know that people are constantly trying to pry into their lives, because our society eats that crap up. I don't really understand how anyone is surprised here.
Are you saying that an 18 year old that had the audacity of competing in the Olympics at 16 years old shouldn't have the same expectation of privacy as anyone else?
And again, I'll take exception to "digital content they put on the internet." There's lots of information about all of us accessible to hackers that we didn't put there. I'm assuming you have a job, have a bank account, or pay bills, right?
She is/was a public figure. Society is shitty. I think she should. However, there's plenty of people who disagree with me and want to know what she had for breakfast.
If you put it on a device with access to the internet, it's on the internet. Yes, I'm fully aware that almost everything I have ever done is on the internet. That's the way life works. You know what I don't have online? Any nude photos, mostly because I haven't taken any, but also because I haven't but them on a device with access to the internet or given them to anyone. As far as I know, that's the only way to maintain sole possession of digital content.
The whole uproar is just dumb. Stuff on the internet is not private. Anyone could cyber stalk me from this board-find out my name, check out my facebook page, google me, learn a heck of a lot about me (FYI-there are no nude photos out there). Remember the Jeffy/Cattmatt deal? :Ugh:
There should be no reasonable expectation of anonymity or privacy on the internet. If people have devices, they should know how they work and understand what they do, ultimately goes to the "cloud".
People are just weird that they would take personal naked pics anyway. Goodness I'm super comfortable with my body; been to a few nudist places even, but I have no, and harbor no naked pics of myself or others. If I did, I wouldn't care if someone saw them; now I wouldn't upload naked selfies (again see the point about I wouldn't take naked pics of myself or others) to be my profile pic, but if they were found and people I didn't know were looking at them-whatev.
This whole thing seems like faux outrage anyway.
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People that think there should be no expectation of privacy on anything stored on the INTERNET make me sad inside. Just because it has become a de facto reality doesn't make it right
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I think people should be more angry with Apple than they are.
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People that think there should be no expectation of privacy on anything stored on the INTERNET make me sad inside. Just because it has become a de facto reality doesn't make it right
Thing is, no one really thinks this. It's an easy place to live when we're talking about celebrities and nude photos. If slucat had pictures of her kids hacked, stolen, and sold to a child pornographer (happens all of the time) then we wouldn't hear this internet is free game stuff. There are many many many more examples of stuff that's accessible to the internet that people hold sacred.
Not to mention that "they put it on the internet" is factually incorrect.
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I think people should be more angry with Apple than they are.
like poop smearing angry?!
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I think people should be more angry with Apple than they are.
The phishing explanation is laughably absurd, someone should get fired for that.
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I think people should be more angry with Apple than they are.
I agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these celebs band together for a lawsuit against Apple. At best, I think it's safe to say that Apple doesn't provide enough information/caution to its customers about how its devices interface with GPS, iCloud, etc. From what I hear, a whole bunch of these "nude pics" are nothing more than actresses trying to get a better view of their butts in the mirror. They probably took the pics and promptly deleted them from their phones, but not before a backup copy went to iCloud. That mistake could actually happen to a lot of people (though it's probably time for these ladies to invest in a 3-way mirror).
I enjoy the convenience of my iPhone, but it's pretty scary how we carry around these digital leashes that are recording our every step. Apple needs to scale some of this crap back, or at least make more of these features expressly "opt in" - with clear warnings - as opposed to "opt out."
We made McDonalds warn people that coffee is hot - something that seems far more obvious than all this computer stuff.
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http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/09/celebrity_photo_hack_blame_apple_for_its_disregard_for_user_security.html
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You guys read Apple's user agreement? They'll be fine
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I think people should be more angry with Apple than they are.
I agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these celebs band together for a lawsuit against Apple. At best, I think it's safe to say that Apple doesn't provide enough information/caution to its customers about how its devices interface with GPS, iCloud, etc. From what I hear, a whole bunch of these "nude pics" are nothing more than actresses trying to get a better view of their butts in the mirror. They probably took the pics and promptly deleted them from their phones, but not before a backup copy went to iCloud. That mistake could actually happen to a lot of people (though it's probably time for these ladies to invest in a 3-way mirror).
I enjoy the convenience of my iPhone, but it's pretty scary how we carry around these digital leashes that are recording our every step. Apple needs to scale some of this crap back, or at least make more of these features expressly "opt in" - with clear warnings - as opposed to "opt out."
We made McDonalds warn people that coffee is hot - something that seems far more obvious than all this computer stuff.
No
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You guys read Apple's user agreement? They'll be fine
I'm not so sure. Again, the "hot coffee" lawsuits were way more frivolous in my opinion, and resulted in large settlements and "coffee is hot" warnings. I don't think it's unreasonable to demand that Apple require more express "opt in" disclaimers no matter what the fine print in those ridiculously dense user agreements may say.
My kids haven't reached the smartphone age yet, but the easy potential for invasion of privacy (and just generally doing stupid things with the phone) is very concerning.
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McDonald's coffee is/was hotter than normal coffee. The lady had 3rd degree burns and McDonalds should have done more:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCkL9UlmCOE
Similarly, Apple should make users more aware of what happens to photos taken on their phones.
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I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?
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this gives a good rundown. Apple's password reset is problematic. There is fine line between being user friendly and overly secure.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/originalguy-full-story-icloud-hacker-081044692.html
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I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?
They don't think that. It's a crude and simplistic talking point. No one who uses any sort of device thinks that.
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I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?
I've heard this analogy a lot. I think a difference between financial fraud and the photo leaks is that the financial fraud can be undone - you can get your money back. Once these photos are out, they're out. You can't take back what people have already seen.
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I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?
I've heard this analogy a lot. I think a difference between financial fraud and the photo leaks is that the financial fraud can be undone - you can get your money back. Once these photos are out, they're out. You can't take back what people have already seen.
not to mention the fact that paying bills is something most humans have to do. like have to. i pay bills every month but i've never taken a nude picture of myself with a phone. a bunch of reasons why i suppose but one of them being "what if i lost my phone and people saw it or something". i wouldn't really want that, so i haven't done it. also i think the people that hacked the accounts should get in trouble for the same reason that i think all people who break in and steal should.
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I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?
I've heard this analogy a lot. I think a difference between financial fraud and the photo leaks is that the financial fraud can be undone - you can get your money back. Once these photos are out, they're out. You can't take back what people have already seen.
not to mention the fact that paying bills is something most humans have to do. like have to. i pay bills every month but i've never taken a nude picture of myself with a phone. a bunch of reasons why i suppose but one of them being "what if i lost my phone and people saw it or something". i wouldn't really want that, so i haven't done it. also i think the people that hacked the accounts should get in trouble for the same reason that i think all people who break in and steal should.
C'mon Rick, nobody should have to take responsibility for their own actions, it's 2014.
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I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?
I've heard this analogy a lot. I think a difference between financial fraud and the photo leaks is that the financial fraud can be undone - you can get your money back. Once these photos are out, they're out. You can't take back what people have already seen.
not to mention the fact that paying bills is something most humans have to do. like have to. i pay bills every month but i've never taken a nude picture of myself with a phone. a bunch of reasons why i suppose but one of them being "what if i lost my phone and people saw it or something". i wouldn't really want that, so i haven't done it. also i think the people that hacked the accounts should get in trouble for the same reason that i think all people who break in and steal should.
C'mon Rick, nobody should have to take responsibility for their own actions, it's 2014.
Take responsibility for their actions? I wasn't aware that photographing yourself nude was illegal or a societal wrong.
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john dougie is responsible for the most unrelated random comments in the Pit, and that's saying a lot.
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I would like to comment on whoever brought up the Erin Andrews thing a while back. That is completely unrelated and should not be used as a legal comparison. Someone videoed her without her consent while she was locked in her own hotel room. That's miles away from stealing stuff from a phone
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I would like to comment on whoever brought up the Erin Andrews thing a while back. That is completely unrelated and should not be used as a legal comparison. Someone videoed her without her consent while she was locked in her own hotel room. That's miles away from stealing stuff from a phone
Anybody in a hotel room should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
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I would like to comment on whoever brought up the Erin Andrews thing a while back. That is completely unrelated and should not be used as a legal comparison. Someone videoed her without her consent while she was locked in her own hotel room. That's miles away from stealing stuff from a phone
Anybody in a hotel room should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
Is this Dobber sarcasm or what's the deal here
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I'd post a picture of my bedside polaroid camera, but I'd have to take it with my cell phone.
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I would like to comment on whoever brought up the Erin Andrews thing a while back. That is completely unrelated and should not be used as a legal comparison. Someone videoed her without her consent while she was locked in her own hotel room. That's miles away from stealing stuff from a phone
Anybody in a hotel room should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
Is this Dobber sarcasm or what's the deal here
Yes, sarcarm. I don't see a difference, unless it is illegal to take a picture of yourself when you are naked.
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Yeah, what is the difference? Erin expected her body to be safe from outside eyes in her locked hotel room, other celebs expected their photos to be safe from outside eyes in their locked cell phones or iCloud accounts. Both were illegally stolen. Argue with the analogy is you like, but that last point really isn't up for debate
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I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?
I've heard this analogy a lot. I think a difference between financial fraud and the photo leaks is that the financial fraud can be undone - you can get your money back. Once these photos are out, they're out. You can't take back what people have already seen.
not to mention the fact that paying bills is something most humans have to do. like have to. i pay bills every month but i've never taken a nude picture of myself with a phone. a bunch of reasons why i suppose but one of them being "what if i lost my phone and people saw it or something". i wouldn't really want that, so i haven't done it. also i think the people that hacked the accounts should get in trouble for the same reason that i think all people who break in and steal should.
C'mon Rick, nobody should have to take responsibility for their own actions, it's 2014.
Take responsibility for their actions? I wasn't aware that photographing yourself nude was illegal or a societal wrong.
Its not wrong, its not illegal, and its not the fault of the victims.
That said, for celebrities to do this has an insane amount of inherent risk. The world we live in is obsessed with celebrity, largely obsessed with porn, and there is no computer system that is safe from the right individuals. This is an optional activity that exposes them to a certain amount of risk. It shouldn't matter and its not fair, but if they thought this stuff couldn't get out then they were kidding themselves. Just as athletes and celebrities have to be more careful of girls they sleep with and who they hang out with, they need to be careful of what pictures they take. In our culture, that is one of the inherent tradeoffs that comes with the many perks of being a celebrity.
Absolutely none of that absolves the people that stole the pictures, who should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. It isn't to blame the celebrity, it is just to acknowledge the risk they choose to take. My analogy would probably be a skydiver. Does a skydiver deserve to die or is he doing anything wrong? Of course not, but he is doing an optional activity with an inherent risk that needs to be accepted.
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Also, nobody has to announce when posting in this thread if there's nude pics of themselves out there somewhere. Saul updates our log weekly.
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I don't want to put words into your mouth but you sound like the fact that these were nude photos makes these victims less worthy of sympathy. It's interesting that some people view hackers in a more favorable light than people who decided to do something completely legal but intimate for a loved one. Not saying you fall into this category, I'm not at all sure, but there's a sizable element that do.
I don't feel that way at all. I don't have a favorable view of the hackers at all. They committed an immoral act.
People that think there should be no expectation of privacy on anything stored on the INTERNET make me sad inside. Just because it has become a de facto reality doesn't make it right
You're correct. It isn't right, but it is a fact of life. There's a whole crap ton of stuff in this world that is de facto reality that isn't right. I try to reserve my outrage for the situations that can be changed. As long as the internet is around, creepy, technology skilled people will try to get access to other people's crap.
Thing is, no one really thinks this. It's an easy place to live when we're talking about celebrities and nude photos. If slucat had pictures of her kids hacked, stolen, and sold to a child pornographer (happens all of the time) then we wouldn't hear this internet is free game stuff. There are many many many more examples of stuff that's accessible to the internet that people hold sacred.
Not to mention that "they put it on the internet" is factually incorrect.
Thing is, I really do think that.
It may not have been stored on an easily accessible website, but these pictures were put on the internet. They were stored on devices connected to the internet. That is "being put on the internet".
I agree with most of your sentiments. I do feel sorry for the victims. What happened to them sucks. I think the only place we differ is in our expectations of privacy on the internet, and I'm not going to change your opinion on that. I think your opinion here is the normative one. Mine is the positive.
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People that think there should be no expectation of privacy on anything stored on the INTERNET make me sad inside. Just because it has become a de facto reality doesn't make it right
You're correct. It isn't right, but it is a fact of life. There's a whole crap ton of stuff in this world that is de facto reality that isn't right. I try to reserve my outrage for the situations that can be changed. As long as the internet is around, creepy, technology skilled people will try to get access to other people's crap..
Not only not right, but also illegal.
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People that think there should be no expectation of privacy on anything stored on the INTERNET make me sad inside. Just because it has become a de facto reality doesn't make it right
You're correct. It isn't right, but it is a fact of life. There's a whole crap ton of stuff in this world that is de facto reality that isn't right. I try to reserve my outrage for the situations that can be changed. As long as the internet is around, creepy, technology skilled people will try to get access to other people's crap..
Not only not right, but also illegal.
I think that I've made it clear that I don't agree with their actions.
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I am not outraged by the hacking and stealing of the pics. I think it is wrong and the guys are slime and should be prosecuted for their crimes.
My semi-outrage is when people here are arguing that you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.
Creepy guys named Tom have been looking into people's houses for years (even before the internet!) to try to sneak a peek at a naked female. These creeps named Tom will always be there, so I guess you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home?
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People that think there should be no expectation of privacy on anything stored on the INTERNET make me sad inside. Just because it has become a de facto reality doesn't make it right
You're correct. It isn't right, but it is a fact of life. There's a whole crap ton of stuff in this world that is de facto reality that isn't right. I try to reserve my outrage for the situations that can be changed. As long as the internet is around, creepy, technology skilled people will try to get access to other people's crap..
Not only not right, but also illegal.
I think that I've made it clear that I don't agree with their actions.
You have.
I think many think this is some gray area, and I think their argument is akin to the "if she didn't want to get raped, she wouldn't have worn that skirt" argument.
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I am not outraged by the hacking and stealing of the pics. I think it is wrong and the guys are slime and should be prosecuted for their crimes.
My semi-outrage is when people here are arguing that you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.
Creepy guys named Tom have been looking into people's houses for years (even before the internet!) to try to sneak a peek at a naked female. These creeps named Tom will always be there, so I guess you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home?
I agree with this. How easy it is to break the law to overcome privacy shouldn't matter.
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I am not outraged by the hacking and stealing of the pics. I think it is wrong and the guys are slime and should be prosecuted for their crimes.
My semi-outrage is when people here are arguing that you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.
Creepy guys named Tom have been looking into people's houses for years (even before the internet!) to try to sneak a peek at a naked female. These creeps named Tom will always be there, so I guess you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home?
"Reasonable expectation of privacy" is a legal term, and legally speaking, people (even celebrities) definitely can have a REoP regarding some uses of the internet. But from a common sense standpoint, especially for celebrities, you absolutely should not expect safety or privacy in anything you do on the web. They probably shouldn't expect it in a hotel room either. Price of fame and all that. Doesn't make it right, but let's not throw common sense out the window.
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I am not outraged by the hacking and stealing of the pics. I think it is wrong and the guys are slime and should be prosecuted for their crimes.
My semi-outrage is when people here are arguing that you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.
Creepy guys named Tom have been looking into people's houses for years (even before the internet!) to try to sneak a peek at a naked female. These creeps named Tom will always be there, so I guess you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home?
"Reasonable expectation of privacy" is a legal term, and legally speaking, people (even celebrities) definitely can have a REoP regarding some uses of the internet. But from a common sense standpoint, especially for celebrities, you absolutely should not expect safety or privacy in anything you do on the web. They probably shouldn't expect it in a hotel room either. Price of fame and all that. Doesn't make it right, but let's not throw common sense out the window.
Is "if you take a picture with your phone it is automatically on the internet" common sense? I'm not an idiot when it comes to technology and I wouldn't have thought that.
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I do not think 'on the internet' and 'in the cloud' are synonymous. I could be wrong.
Gonna win 'em all!
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I do not think 'on the internet' and 'in the cloud' are synonymous. I could be wrong.
Gonna win 'em all!
Tha eff do you think "the cloud" is? The public cloud as a buzzword is the same thing as saying the internet.
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Do u even network?
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I am not outraged by the hacking and stealing of the pics. I think it is wrong and the guys are slime and should be prosecuted for their crimes.
My semi-outrage is when people here are arguing that you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.
Creepy guys named Tom have been looking into people's houses for years (even before the internet!) to try to sneak a peek at a naked female. These creeps named Tom will always be there, so I guess you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home?
"Reasonable expectation of privacy" is a legal term, and legally speaking, people (even celebrities) definitely can have a REoP regarding some uses of the internet. But from a common sense standpoint, especially for celebrities, you absolutely should not expect safety or privacy in anything you do on the web. They probably shouldn't expect it in a hotel room either. Price of fame and all that. Doesn't make it right, but let's not throw common sense out the window.
Is "if you take a picture with your phone it is automatically on the internet" common sense? I'm not an idiot when it comes to technology and I wouldn't have thought that.
No, but it defies common sense as a celebrity to take a picture like that in the first place.
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i am honestly surprised at the amount of people who dont know how integrated phones/tablets/computers are with the cloud and online backup
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I'm guessing a huge number of people are uploading their pictures to google or icloud without knowing it.
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I am not outraged by the hacking and stealing of the pics. I think it is wrong and the guys are slime and should be prosecuted for their crimes.
My semi-outrage is when people here are arguing that you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.
Creepy guys named Tom have been looking into people's houses for years (even before the internet!) to try to sneak a peek at a naked female. These creeps named Tom will always be there, so I guess you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home?
"Reasonable expectation of privacy" is a legal term, and legally speaking, people (even celebrities) definitely can have a REoP regarding some uses of the internet. But from a common sense standpoint, especially for celebrities, you absolutely should not expect safety or privacy in anything you do on the web. They probably shouldn't expect it in a hotel room either. Price of fame and all that. Doesn't make it right, but let's not throw common sense out the window.
Is "if you take a picture with your phone it is automatically on the internet" common sense? I'm not an idiot when it comes to technology and I wouldn't have thought that.
No, but it defies common sense as a celebrity to take a picture like that in the first place.
I'm sad for you that you're a grown man and you still don't know that actors and musicians aren't mystical beings that live fantasy lives.
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I am not outraged by the hacking and stealing of the pics. I think it is wrong and the guys are slime and should be prosecuted for their crimes.
My semi-outrage is when people here are arguing that you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet.
Creepy guys named Tom have been looking into people's houses for years (even before the internet!) to try to sneak a peek at a naked female. These creeps named Tom will always be there, so I guess you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home?
"Reasonable expectation of privacy" is a legal term, and legally speaking, people (even celebrities) definitely can have a REoP regarding some uses of the internet. But from a common sense standpoint, especially for celebrities, you absolutely should not expect safety or privacy in anything you do on the web. They probably shouldn't expect it in a hotel room either. Price of fame and all that. Doesn't make it right, but let's not throw common sense out the window.
Is "if you take a picture with your phone it is automatically on the internet" common sense? I'm not an idiot when it comes to technology and I wouldn't have thought that.
No, but it defies common sense as a celebrity to take a picture like that in the first place.
I'm sad for you that you're a grown man and you still don't know that actors and musicians aren't mystical beings that live fantasy lives.
Many of them do live in a fantasy world.
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I'm guessing a huge number of people are uploading their pictures to google or icloud without knowing it.
When I got my current phone, I had to opt out of photos automatically uploading. I didn't even realize that it was happening until I was taking photos of other people's children for work with my phone and I noticed the little upload/download arrow in the status bar. I had to go into my Google+ account , that I didn't even sign up for, for my first and only time to delete those photos and others that I didn't even know were there and to opt out of the auto uploading.
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I am not certain that I understand the meaning of the word 'synonymous'.
Help me out...when I say 'the cloud', does that mean 'all of the internet?
Gonna win 'em all!
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Yes
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Yup.
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no
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I have my entire music library uploaded to the cloud. It is accessible from any device with an internet connection. If I wanted to upload photos and videos to it, I could as well.
However, content doesn't have to be uploaded to the cloud for it to be accessible. Truthfully, any device connected to the internet is accessible to any other device connected to the internet. All it takes is the right key strokes.
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I may be a monkey's uncle, but I thought that the cloud was a 'storage' device whereby files could be uploaded either knowingly or unknowingly.
Gonna win 'em all!
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To be fair...anything that is on my phone I assume is available to anyone connected to the internet. I hope everyone enjoys the pics of excavator parts as much as I do.
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To be fair...anything that is on my phone I assume is available to anyone connected to the internet. I hope everyone enjoys the pics of excavator parts as much as I do.
Do you assume that the access is legal or illegal?
Gonna win 'em all!
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To be fair...anything that is on my phone I assume is available to anyone connected to the internet. I hope everyone enjoys the pics of excavator parts as much as I do.
Do you assume that the access is legal or illegal?
Gonna win 'em all!
Don't care...go Cats!
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Oh man, I want some turntable pics
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fweb.tradekorea.com%2Fupload_file2%2Fsell%2F57%2FS00026757%2F_slewing___bearing___turntable_bearing___slewing_rings___slewing_drive___MOTOR___excavator_parts_.jpg&hash=5be63df646cc2525f74c180740e5b735ffd6597e)
Oh yeah, slew me baby
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Anyone else have a track fetish? (I like them to be a little dirty)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbs.dreamstime.com%2Fx%2Fexcavator-tracks-19379966.jpg&hash=fd7ccc6c5d89031b67cd4402dcafddb3ca43a983)
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Anyone else have a track fetish? (I like them to be a little dirty)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbs.dreamstime.com%2Fx%2Fexcavator-tracks-19379966.jpg&hash=fd7ccc6c5d89031b67cd4402dcafddb3ca43a983)
lol. nice.
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I may be a monkey's uncle, but I thought that the cloud was a 'storage' device whereby files could be uploaded either knowingly or unknowingly.
Gonna win 'em all!
Let me ask a different question, then. What do you think the internet is?
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Seems like the perfect time to put a former Google exec in as America's Chief Technology Officer.
Literally mountains of qualified people in this country for that position, but let's go with the former Google chic.
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Is google not good at tech stuff?
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I'm guessing a huge number of people are uploading their pictures to google or icloud without knowing it.
When I got my current phone, I had to opt out of photos automatically uploading. I didn't even realize that it was happening until I was taking photos of other people's children for work with my phone and I noticed the little upload/download arrow in the status bar. I had to go into my Google+ account , that I didn't even sign up for, for my first and only time to delete those photos and others that I didn't even know were there and to opt out of the auto uploading.
This is what happened to Nicname's phone when it got stolen, right?
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Is google not good at tech stuff?
I think he is talking about that google security breach that caused this whole mess. Wait, that can't be right either . . .
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I may be a monkey's uncle, but I thought that the cloud was a 'storage' device whereby files could be uploaded either knowingly or unknowingly.
Gonna win 'em all!
Let me ask a different question, then. What do you think the internet is?
The internet is a connection to other networks.
I realize they are similar. I just think they have different meanings. I don't hear anyone saying "I'm gonna go surf the cloud".
Gonna win 'em all!
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Similarities don't make them the same. Illegal is still illegal. Even in the non-tech world, you cant just come across something and assume it is yours. There is process and precedent that goes into that, either that or the two business law classes I took (one in HS and one in KSU) completely lied to me.
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Similarities don't make them the same. Illegal is still illegal. Even in the non-tech world, you cant just come across something and assume it is yours. There is process and precedent that goes into that, either that or the two business law classes I took (one in HS and one in KSU) completely lied to me.
You are correct from my limited exposure to the law.
Gonna win 'em all!
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My legal training tells me that it would be 9/10ths mine.
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No one wants to admit it, but that is how hillbilly law works.
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So I had really great hair tonight and was trying to take a picture of the back and I was nuuuuuuuuuuuuude and also kinda high so I was trying to take a picture of the back and see if it looked ok and the camera was weird and I was naked and accidentally took a picture of my "wein"
So that's it, end of story
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Balls. Yeah, those are balls. Up close, they always look like landscape, but those are balls.
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fpgc6MGN.jpg&hash=6582470d722a5ddfaac62848cd6e16cf3b979a13)
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Putting your photos on icloud or a similar online service seems a lot like not locking your front door when you leave your house. Is it still breaking and entering if someone walks in and steals all your stuff? Yes and the person doing it is committing a crime. Do you deserve to have your stuff stolen for not locking your door? Of course not. If you don't take preventative measures is the risk of getting your crap stolen greater than if you lock you door/keep your photos off icloud? Absolutely.
I don't see why it's so hard for so many people to keep their crap secured. Don't give creepo hackers the opportunity.
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welp looks like round two has started, another big leak of photos
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Putting your photos on icloud or a similar online service seems a lot like not locking your front door when you leave your house. Is it still breaking and entering if someone walks in and steals all your stuff? Yes and the person doing it is committing a crime. Do you deserve to have your stuff stolen for not locking your door? Of course not. If you don't take preventative measures is the risk of getting your crap stolen greater than if you lock you door/keep your photos off icloud? Absolutely.
I don't see why it's so hard for so many people to keep their crap secured. Don't give creepo hackers the opportunity.
That's like saying to not have windows on your house because someone can break one and get inside. Having pictures on a password protected account is not at all analogous to leaving your door unlocked, good grief.
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Putting your photos on icloud or a similar online service seems a lot like not locking your front door when you leave your house. Is it still breaking and entering if someone walks in and steals all your stuff? Yes and the person doing it is committing a crime. Do you deserve to have your stuff stolen for not locking your door? Of course not. If you don't take preventative measures is the risk of getting your crap stolen greater than if you lock you door/keep your photos off icloud? Absolutely.
I don't see why it's so hard for so many people to keep their crap secured. Don't give creepo hackers the opportunity.
That's like saying to not have windows on your house because someone can break one and get inside. Having pictures on a password protected account is not at all analogous to leaving your door unlocked, good grief.
It's ok that you didn't understand my analogy. You don't have to melt down about it.
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If you think, in 2014, that a password is some sort of magic barrier that stops a thief you are a complete idiot. I bet it took this hacker about 5 minutes to get all these iclouds hacked.
But hey, I guess all of you hayseeds still think the "honor system" exists in the real world.
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Whether the honor system is still upheld my most or not is not the issue and the ease with which you can break a law doesn't diminish the fact that there is a law. I mean, I could easily kill someone within a min of typing this (and I haven't even showered yet). Doesn't make that any more acceptable.
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In "about 5 minutes" I could probably grab a gun and shoot someone out my window. Guess that dumbass should have worn body armor. Lol
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If you think, in 2014, that a password is some sort of magic barrier that stops a thief you are a complete idiot. I bet it took this hacker about 5 minutes to get all these iclouds hacked.
But hey, I guess all of you hayseeds still think the "honor system" exists in the real world.
I can break down your locked door in less than 5 minutes, guess you should have kept your house more secure
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If you think, in 2014, that a password is some sort of magic barrier that stops a thief you are a complete idiot. I bet it took this hacker about 5 minutes to get all these iclouds hacked.
But hey, I guess all of you hayseeds still think the "honor system" exists in the real world.
I can break down your locked door in less than 5 minutes, guess you should have kept your house more secure
it's a good thing you have that security system that will lick you to death.
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I mean, if you think a door lock is some sort of magic barrier to keep a thief out, then you're just an idiot.
But go on believing there is some honor system in the real world, hayseed
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I think deterrence theory fits this model well.
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Is harry potter girl Emma leaked so far? I heard that friday was D-day, but can't find seem to find much atm. I also checked youjizz, http://theporndude.com/ and pornmaki, but I doubt that those pics are real :(
I find it strange that so many celebs store their 'nudies' stash in the apple cloud. I assume most were not aware what it really meant or they trusted apple too much :S
Although, there's no way I could get the FBI to help me, if I was a victim. Class society, ain't it? ;)
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Is harry potter girl Emma leaked so far? I heard that friday was D-day, but can't find seem to find much atm. I also checked youjizz, http://theporndude.com/ and pornmaki, but I doubt that those pics are real :(
I find it strange that so many celebs store their 'nudies' stash in the apple cloud. I assume most were not aware what it really meant or they trusted apple too much :S
Although, there's no way I could get the FBI to help me, if I was a victim. Class society, ain't it? ;)
Great stuff as always, renocat
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I'm guessing a huge number of people are uploading their pictures to google or icloud without knowing it.
When I got my current phone, I had to opt out of photos automatically uploading. I didn't even realize that it was happening until I was taking photos of other people's children for work with my phone and I noticed the little upload/download arrow in the status bar. I had to go into my Google+ account , that I didn't even sign up for, for my first and only time to delete those photos and others that I didn't even know were there and to opt out of the auto uploading.
This is what happened to Nicname's phone when it got stolen, right?
Yes.
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WTF? Very timely bump, nic.
Merry Christmas buddy.
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Nic was just lookin' to jack it, quit hating
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Has your email ever been hacked? My personal email is going nuts right now. I just got like 350 emails and counting in the last 30 minutes. I changed my password and everything and they keep coming. :frown:
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Why would changing your password stop incoming emails?
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IDK. Mrs wacky said it happened to her once and she did that and it changed. I'll try anything at this point.
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Ok, well I'm not a software guy like tbt but I don't think you've been hacked
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Also what is the content of the emails
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Wordpress, some weird sites that said I "signed up for", a couple of Japanese emails, etc. Check to make sure my cards weren't touched, so i'm good there.
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Wordpress, some weird sites that said I "signed up for", a couple of Japanese emails, etc. Check to make sure my cards weren't touched, so i'm good there.
Changing your password won't do any good unless you changed your mouse and keyboard prior to that.
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I would just mark them all as junk/block sender. I also would comment out your real email that you just pasted again for anyone to see
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Probably some dork signed you up for email bomb. Dr J is the first suspect imo
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Didn't see that. Thank you! That's what i'm currently doing, but somehow I keep getting the word press crap.
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Probably some dork signed you up for email bomb. Dr J is the first suspect imo
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Probably should just create a new email and make sure you change your address for all of your important stuff.
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My bank just called and left a message. Crap.
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I would just mark them all as junk/block sender. I also would comment out your real email that you just pasted again for anyone to see
You totally stole my idea, TBT.
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Yup. Hacked. Someone got my card info somehow and tried to charge a bunch of crap on it. Phew.
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Russians
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Hopefully they catch those responsible.
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They took my winnings out of my brovada account. eff!
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classic Dr J
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How did this happen?
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That's bad news Wacky :frown: hopefully you have fraud protection with your bank, idk any banks that don't have it now
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Olive (the) branch(es I work with have it!)
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I'd start and stop my search with Baron
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They took my winnings out of my brovada account. eff!
Lol
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On the phone with Brovada right now. They didn't take the $, they just bet all of it on some shitty parlay soccer bet for today. Trying to get it cancelled ASAP. Yeesh.
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oh, maybe fun muffin
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Looks like the good folks at youjizz won this round.
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Dude let it ride, they obviously fixed the games.
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Looks like the good folks at youjizz won this round.
yeah, have you seen the canker sores thread? :Yuck:
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What's your email address?
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He tried to deposit the $ first and when he couldn't, he let it all ride out on a 2 game parlay. soccer- 2.Bundesliga Total Goals O/U
DSC Arminia Bielefield vs Vfb Stuttgart
Over1.5
Socccer- Ligue 2- Total Goals O/U
Racing Strasburg VS AC Ajaccio
Over 1.5
WTF?
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Why are you assuming their gender??
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That sucks, Wacky. Hopefully your bank and Brovada get everything worked out for you.
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Brovada said they would refund the account, but I need to get them a new email address ASAP.
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only a true degenerate bets on soccer, wtf
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This isn't soccer smack talk. Wtf league is that even?
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Germany!
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Translates as National League I believe.
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That olive branch joke! It was TBT being nice to Wacky. So rich.
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Guys, he won the bet. :lol:
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Cancel the cancel!
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This isn't soccer smack talk. Wtf league is that even?
german and french minor league games, you might let this guy ride for a little while
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:lol: What a monday.
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That's awesome. :lol:
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Sad that you had to ruin the efforts of this guardian angel.
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I think time travelling wacky came back from the future to hook a brother up