Hacked accounts

[MakeItRain]

I didn't read the whole Daris and MiR discussion before posting my earlier comment.

These hackers didn't bumble around on the internet testing iCloud accounts until they stumbled across Verlander's. You make it sound like some smash and grab job. They were targeted specifically for their celebrity.

I agree with Daris. What was stolen is simply an object. Some objects have deeper personal value to their owners than others. Theft is wrong. Slut shaming is another issue entirely. These pictures were stolen from these celebrities for some sort of personal gratification, not to shame the individual.

Yeah of course the release was targeted, that's common sense. They have access to so much more than that, there is no athlete and celebrity iCloud, these criminals have photos and personal info for thousands, if not millions of regular people. That being said, I don't want you to be confused about how I feel about this issue. I couldn't care less about the method, frequency, or the motivation of those who released these or any other photos; it isn't relevant. Side note, I don't buy Apple's explanation of these people being victim to a phishing scam.

With your second point, again the value of these photos aren't up for any of us to agree or disagree. That is solely determined by each individual victim. I wouldn't at all doubt that some of these women don't care at all, while others may view this as the ultimate invasion into their private lives. That isn't for anyone else to determine.

[MakeItRain]

I mean, the internet is still real life. It seems pretty silly to me that people who take all of these precautions to keep themselves shielded from the public in other facets of their life, wouldn't take the same measures for digital content they put on the internet. I'm sorry. What happened to them sucks, but c'mon. They know that people are constantly trying to pry into their lives, because our society eats that crap up. I don't really understand how anyone is surprised here.

Are you saying that an 18 year old that had the audacity of competing in the Olympics at 16 years old shouldn't have the same expectation of privacy as anyone else?

And again, I'll take exception to "digital content they put on the internet." There's lots of information about all of us accessible to hackers that we didn't put there. I'm assuming you have a job, have a bank account, or pay bills, right?

[Asteriskhead]

I don't think it's very reasonable for anyone to have an expectation of privacy in regards to the actions they take on any device connected to the internet, even less reasonable for celebrities. The only way to guarantee privacy is to not access the internet.

[slobber]

This is one of those times where gE is hard.

Creeps did a crime. Stuff on the cloud or on my computer is mine. If anybody accesses it WITHOUT AUTHORIZATION, then they are committing a crime.
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Gonna win 'em all!

[Asteriskhead]

I mean, the internet is still real life. It seems pretty silly to me that people who take all of these precautions to keep themselves shielded from the public in other facets of their life, wouldn't take the same measures for digital content they put on the internet. I'm sorry. What happened to them sucks, but c'mon. They know that people are constantly trying to pry into their lives, because our society eats that crap up. I don't really understand how anyone is surprised here.

Are you saying that an 18 year old that had the audacity of competing in the Olympics at 16 years old shouldn't have the same expectation of privacy as anyone else?

And again, I'll take exception to "digital content they put on the internet." There's lots of information about all of us accessible to hackers that we didn't put there. I'm assuming you have a job, have a bank account, or pay bills, right?

She is/was a public figure. Society is shitty. I think she should. However, there's plenty of people who disagree with me and want to know what she had for breakfast.

If you put it on a device with access to the internet, it's on the internet. Yes, I'm fully aware that almost everything I have ever done is on the internet. That's the way life works. You know what I don't have online? Any nude photos, mostly because I haven't taken any, but also because I haven't but them on a device with access to the internet or given them to anyone. As far as I know, that's the only way to maintain sole possession of digital content.

[MakeItRain]

I mean, the internet is still real life. It seems pretty silly to me that people who take all of these precautions to keep themselves shielded from the public in other facets of their life, wouldn't take the same measures for digital content they put on the internet. I'm sorry. What happened to them sucks, but c'mon. They know that people are constantly trying to pry into their lives, because our society eats that crap up. I don't really understand how anyone is surprised here.

Are you saying that an 18 year old that had the audacity of competing in the Olympics at 16 years old shouldn't have the same expectation of privacy as anyone else?

And again, I'll take exception to "digital content they put on the internet." There's lots of information about all of us accessible to hackers that we didn't put there. I'm assuming you have a job, have a bank account, or pay bills, right?

She is/was a public figure. Society is shitty. I think she should. However, there's plenty of people who disagree with me and want to know what she had for breakfast.

If you put it on a device with access to the internet, it's on the internet. Yes, I'm fully aware that almost everything I have ever done is on the internet. That's the way life works. You know what I don't have online? Any nude photos, mostly because I haven't taken any, but also because I haven't but them on a device with access to the internet or given them to anyone. As far as I know, that's the only way to maintain sole possession of digital content.

I don't want to put words into your mouth but you sound like the fact that these were nude photos makes these victims less worthy of sympathy. It's interesting that some people view hackers in a more favorable light than people who decided to do something completely legal but intimate for a loved one. Not saying you fall into this category, I'm not at all sure, but there's a sizable element that do.

[slobber]

If you want to be a multi millionaire, you are going to have assets. These assets are out there in many forms...investments in stocks, bonds, mutual funds, real estate, or even just a large chunk of change setting in a bank. Anyway, I guess people know you have this wealth and some of them might try to take it from you. BUT THAT'S OKAY!  Let them have it. It's your fault you have all of this money. If you don't want them to get it, you should just give that crap away or spend it or something.
No crime if somebody takes it.

This seems like the argument that is being made.


Gonna win 'em all!

[slucat]

I mean, the internet is still real life. It seems pretty silly to me that people who take all of these precautions to keep themselves shielded from the public in other facets of their life, wouldn't take the same measures for digital content they put on the internet. I'm sorry. What happened to them sucks, but c'mon. They know that people are constantly trying to pry into their lives, because our society eats that crap up. I don't really understand how anyone is surprised here.

Are you saying that an 18 year old that had the audacity of competing in the Olympics at 16 years old shouldn't have the same expectation of privacy as anyone else?

And again, I'll take exception to "digital content they put on the internet." There's lots of information about all of us accessible to hackers that we didn't put there. I'm assuming you have a job, have a bank account, or pay bills, right?

She is/was a public figure. Society is shitty. I think she should. However, there's plenty of people who disagree with me and want to know what she had for breakfast.

If you put it on a device with access to the internet, it's on the internet. Yes, I'm fully aware that almost everything I have ever done is on the internet. That's the way life works. You know what I don't have online? Any nude photos, mostly because I haven't taken any, but also because I haven't but them on a device with access to the internet or given them to anyone. As far as I know, that's the only way to maintain sole possession of digital content.

The whole uproar is just dumb.  Stuff on the internet is not private.  Anyone could cyber stalk me from this board-find out my name, check out my facebook page, google me, learn a heck of a lot about me (FYI-there are no nude photos out there).  Remember the Jeffy/Cattmatt deal? 

There should be no reasonable expectation of anonymity or privacy on the internet.  If people have devices, they should know how they work and understand what they do, ultimately goes to the "cloud". 

People are just weird that they would take personal naked pics anyway.  Goodness I'm super comfortable with my body; been to a few nudist places even, but I have no, and harbor no naked pics of myself or others.  If I did, I wouldn't care if someone saw them; now I wouldn't upload naked selfies (again see the point about I wouldn't take naked pics of myself or others) to be my profile pic, but if they were found and people I didn't know were looking at them-whatev.

This whole thing seems like faux outrage anyway.

[8manpick]

People that think there should be no expectation of privacy on anything stored on the INTERNET make me sad inside. Just because it has become a de facto reality doesn't make it right

[michigancat]

I think people should be more angry with Apple than they are.

[MakeItRain]

People that think there should be no expectation of privacy on anything stored on the INTERNET make me sad inside. Just because it has become a de facto reality doesn't make it right

Thing is, no one really thinks this. It's an easy place to live when we're talking about celebrities and nude photos. If slucat had pictures of her kids hacked, stolen, and sold to a child pornographer (happens all of the time) then we wouldn't hear this internet is free game stuff. There are many many many more examples of stuff that's accessible to the internet that people hold sacred.

Not to mention that "they put it on the internet" is factually incorrect.

[puniraptor]

I think people should be more angry with Apple than they are.

like poop smearing angry?!

[MakeItRain]

I think people should be more angry with Apple than they are.

The phishing explanation is laughably absurd, someone should get fired for that.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I think people should be more angry with Apple than they are.

I agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these celebs band together for a lawsuit against Apple. At best, I think it's safe to say that Apple doesn't provide enough information/caution to its customers about how its devices interface with GPS, iCloud, etc. From what I hear, a whole bunch of these "nude pics" are nothing more than actresses trying to get a better view of their butts in the mirror. They probably took the pics and promptly deleted them from their phones, but not before a backup copy went to iCloud. That mistake could actually happen to a lot of people (though it's probably time for these ladies to invest in a 3-way mirror).

I enjoy the convenience of my iPhone, but it's pretty scary how we carry around these digital leashes that are recording our every step. Apple needs to scale some of this crap back, or at least make more of these features expressly "opt in" - with clear warnings - as opposed to "opt out."

We made McDonalds warn people that coffee is hot - something that seems far more obvious than all this computer stuff.

[michigancat]

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/09/celebrity_photo_hack_blame_apple_for_its_disregard_for_user_security.html

[8manpick]

You guys read Apple's user agreement? They'll be fine

[star seed 7]

I think people should be more angry with Apple than they are.

I agree. I wouldn't be surprised to see some of these celebs band together for a lawsuit against Apple. At best, I think it's safe to say that Apple doesn't provide enough information/caution to its customers about how its devices interface with GPS, iCloud, etc. From what I hear, a whole bunch of these "nude pics" are nothing more than actresses trying to get a better view of their butts in the mirror. They probably took the pics and promptly deleted them from their phones, but not before a backup copy went to iCloud. That mistake could actually happen to a lot of people (though it's probably time for these ladies to invest in a 3-way mirror).

I enjoy the convenience of my iPhone, but it's pretty scary how we carry around these digital leashes that are recording our every step. Apple needs to scale some of this crap back, or at least make more of these features expressly "opt in" - with clear warnings - as opposed to "opt out."

We made McDonalds warn people that coffee is hot - something that seems far more obvious than all this computer stuff.

No

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

You guys read Apple's user agreement? They'll be fine

I'm not so sure. Again, the "hot coffee" lawsuits were way more frivolous in my opinion, and resulted in large settlements and "coffee is hot" warnings. I don't think it's unreasonable to demand that Apple require more express "opt in" disclaimers no matter what the fine print in those ridiculously dense user agreements may say.

My kids haven't reached the smartphone age yet, but the easy potential for invasion of privacy (and just generally doing stupid things with the phone) is very concerning.

[michigancat]

McDonald's coffee is/was hotter than normal coffee. The lady had 3rd degree burns and McDonalds should have done more:



Similarly, Apple should make users more aware of what happens to photos taken on their phones.

[slobber]

I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?

[WillieWatanabe]

this gives a good rundown.  Apple's password reset is problematic. There is fine line between being user friendly and overly secure.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/originalguy-full-story-icloud-hacker-081044692.html

[MakeItRain]

I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?

They don't think that. It's a crude and simplistic talking point. No one who uses any sort of device thinks that.

[michigancat]

I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?

I've heard this analogy a lot. I think a difference between financial fraud and the photo leaks is that the financial fraud can be undone - you can get your money back. Once these photos are out, they're out. You can't take back what people have already seen.

[Dr Rick Daris]

I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?

I've heard this analogy a lot. I think a difference between financial fraud and the photo leaks is that the financial fraud can be undone - you can get your money back. Once these photos are out, they're out. You can't take back what people have already seen.

not to mention the fact that paying bills is something most humans have to do. like have to. i pay bills every month but i've never taken a nude picture of myself with a phone. a bunch of reasons why i suppose but one of them being "what if i lost my phone and people saw it or something". i wouldn't really want that, so i haven't done it. also i think the people that hacked the accounts should get in trouble for the same reason that i think all people who break in and steal should.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I do all of my financial crap online, or at least 99%.
Some of you think I should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?

I've heard this analogy a lot. I think a difference between financial fraud and the photo leaks is that the financial fraud can be undone - you can get your money back. Once these photos are out, they're out. You can't take back what people have already seen.

not to mention the fact that paying bills is something most humans have to do. like have to. i pay bills every month but i've never taken a nude picture of myself with a phone. a bunch of reasons why i suppose but one of them being "what if i lost my phone and people saw it or something". i wouldn't really want that, so i haven't done it. also i think the people that hacked the accounts should get in trouble for the same reason that i think all people who break in and steal should.

C'mon Rick, nobody should have to take responsibility for their own actions, it's 2014.