A sustainable path . . .

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

teachers get paid plenty.  their job isn't difficult, they don't work many hours, and they get summers off.

 

which part of that statement do you disagree with?  b/c all of it is true so i'm just curious.

All of it.  Summers off...true.  How many hours do most professionals work in a day?  What basis do you have for the claim that our jobs aren't difficult?

I would think disrespectful kids are what make it difficult.

[star seed 7]

Grade school is probably pud as hell, but high school would suck and Jr high probably the absolute worst. You're working with developmentally insane people all day

[Stellarcat]

Grade school is probably pud as hell, but high school would suck and Jr high probably the absolute worst. You're working with developmentally insane people all day

Ah, yes.  Grade school is a piece of cake!  Crazy amounts of differentiation in each classroom, developmental delays, keeping children focused for more than 10 minutes at a time, planning and teaching multiple subjects, inability to think abstractly, varying levels of independence, helicopter parents, uninvolved parents, etc.   Easy peasy.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I have a friend that was a high school teacher ($90k a year by the way) that quit to go to work teaching at one of the local prisons as a teacher. She could not be happier with her decision even with the longer drive and less money. She said she feels safer and the inmates have to respect her or they are taken out of class by the guard outside the door.

[ednksu]

teachers get paid plenty.  their job isn't difficult, they don't work many hours, and they get summers off.

 

which part of that statement do you disagree with?  b/c all of it is true so i'm just curious.

All of it.  Summers off...true.  How many hours do most professionals work in a day?  What basis do you have for the claim that our jobs aren't difficult?

Even the summers off isn't true since many teachers have continuing ed and pro development.  Also look at work per yearly average instead of dividing it up based on the school year.

[CNS]

I have a friend that was a high school teacher ($90k a year by the way) that quit to go to work teaching at one of the local prisons as a teacher. She could not be happier with her decision even with the longer drive and less money. She said she feels safer and the inmates have to respect her or they are taken out of class by the guard outside the door.

Teachers in my wife's dist max out around $55k-$60k with a doctorate and a couple decades of senority.  Where is this $90k teaching position?  Asking for a Canadian friends wife.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I have a friend that was a high school teacher ($90k a year by the way) that quit to go to work teaching at one of the local prisons as a teacher. She could not be happier with her decision even with the longer drive and less money. She said she feels safer and the inmates have to respect her or they are taken out of class by the guard outside the door.

Teachers in my wife's dist max out around $55k-$60k with a doctorate and a couple decades of senority.  Where is this $90k teaching position?  Asking for a Canadian friends wife.

where else but California!

[star seed 7]

Grade school is probably pud as hell, but high school would suck and Jr high probably the absolute worst. You're working with developmentally insane people all day

Ah, yes.  Grade school is a piece of cake!  Crazy amounts of differentiation in each classroom, developmental delays, keeping children focused for more than 10 minutes at a time, planning and teaching multiple subjects, inability to think abstractly, varying levels of independence, helicopter parents, uninvolved parents, etc.   Easy peasy.

About what I thought, fairly pud

[kim carnes]

Grade school is probably pud as hell, but high school would suck and Jr high probably the absolute worst. You're working with developmentally insane people all day

Ah, yes.  Grade school is a piece of cake!  Crazy amounts of differentiation in each classroom, developmental delays, keeping children focused for more than 10 minutes at a time, planning and teaching multiple subjects, inability to think abstractly, varying levels of independence, helicopter parents, uninvolved parents, etc.   Easy peasy.

About what I thought, fairly pud

Yeah, god forbid a job have a few challenges

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I had teachers that used the same lesson plans and tests for years.

[CNS]

I had teachers that used the same lesson plans and tests for years.

How many grades did you have to repeat?

[star seed 7]

I had teachers that used the same lesson plans and tests for years.

How many grades did you have to repeat?

 

[michigancat]

Ed swooping in let john doug avoid telling me I was right.

[sys]

I have a friend that was a high school teacher ($90k a year by the way) that quit to go to work teaching at one of the local prisons as a teacher. She could not be happier with her decision even with the longer drive and less money. She said she feels safer and the inmates have to respect her or they are taken out of class by the guard outside the door.

Teachers in my wife's dist max out around $55k-$60k with a doctorate and a couple decades of senority.  Where is this $90k teaching position?  Asking for a Canadian friends wife.

where else but California!

public employees in california mostly get paid ridiculously well.

[Stellarcat]

Grade school is probably pud as hell, but high school would suck and Jr high probably the absolute worst. You're working with developmentally insane people all day

Ah, yes.  Grade school is a piece of cake!  Crazy amounts of differentiation in each classroom, developmental delays, keeping children focused for more than 10 minutes at a time, planning and teaching multiple subjects, inability to think abstractly, varying levels of independence, helicopter parents, uninvolved parents, etc.   Easy peasy.

About what I thought, fairly pud

Yeah, god forbid a job have a few challenges

I wasn't complaining about how tough it is.  I was challenging the "pud" comment.  I'm sure that you could walk right in and do the job with one hand tied behind your back, right? 

[michigancat]

I have a friend that was a high school teacher ($90k a year by the way) that quit to go to work teaching at one of the local prisons as a teacher. She could not be happier with her decision even with the longer drive and less money. She said she feels safer and the inmates have to respect her or they are taken out of class by the guard outside the door.

Teachers in my wife's dist max out around $55k-$60k with a doctorate and a couple decades of senority.  Where is this $90k teaching position?  Asking for a Canadian friends wife.

where else but California!

public employees in california mostly get paid ridiculously well.

private employees, too

[sys]

public employees in california mostly get paid ridiculously well.

private employees, too

many do.  but there are also many that are paid very little.  maybe something you don't see as much of where you live.

[michigancat]

public employees in california mostly get paid ridiculously well.

private employees, too

many do.  but there are also many that are paid very little.  maybe something you don't see as much of where you live.

true, I wonder how the indices compare to peers elsewhere in the country.

[CNS]

So, $90k...I mean there are prob engineers and the like that don't get that unil a few yrs into their field, right?  Where, in ks, I started right out of college making what my wife makes now, her 13th year teaching.

[michigancat]

So, $90k...I mean there are prob engineers and the like that don't get that unil a few yrs into their field, right?  Where, in ks, I started right out of college making what my wife makes now, her 13th year teaching.

It would take a long time to get to 90k at most districts, even in California. The link about Oakland schools has info

[star seed 7]

my aunt is a teacher in california and makes like 32k

[star seed 7]

my aunt is a teacher in california and makes like 32k

she was going to move to kansas to get a pay raise and COL decrease 

(ended up not tho)

[CNS]

my aunt is a teacher in california and makes like 32k

Good god.  Private school?   That's a rough ridin' crime

[star seed 7]

my aunt is a teacher in california and makes like 32k

Good god.  Private school?   That's a rough ridin' crime

public.  special ed teacher.  it's also like the coffeyville of california i'm pretty sure, the whole town is so depressing

[michigancat]

Yeah, teachers in Oakland max out at $70k