StL County Cops Shoot Teen

[Emo EMAW]

So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down.  Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them?  For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?

1.  Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2.  Is confronted by cop(s)?
3.  There is a physical scruffle.
4.  Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5.  His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6.  Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)

Is that right?

I forgot out of the country doesn't have news or internet access.  It's scary out there.

I'm more of a "live in the moment" kind of person.  Also tough to catch the facts walking by a TV monitor in an airport.  Also, to me, issues like this are less important than actual real issues.

[ednksu]

I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks

@katkid

I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.

I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist

So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?

KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?

Hey racist, "tell me I'm wrong" no one said that except for you.

[williamthewildcat]

So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down.  Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them?  For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?

1.  Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2.  Is confronted by cop(s)?
3.  There is a physical scruffle.
4.  Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5.  His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6.  Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)

Is that right?

RE#5

The incident took place in a neighborhood. In a matter of minutes, there were 50-60 people out of their homes to see what happened.

The cops (freaked) called in 60 or more cops to secure area. The body lay unattended because 5oh was worried about crowd control. This seemed to upset the folks gathered more. At one point the father of the unarmed kid came through the crime scene tape to see his son but was escorted back.
I don't think the cops left the body unattended intentionally, but were freaked out by the number of folks who came upon the scene. They were concerned about contamination of the crime scene.

That's just my guess.

[Mr Bread]

The only thing that will ever FIX this is for money to be pumped into these communities so the people living in these areas under these economic conditions can actually make something of themselves and live a life that they have no comprehension of right now. It's basic survival and waiting for the government to toss out the crumbs and getting out of that is next to impossible for any race without more money.  The top 5% had better wake up and re-distribute their ridiculous wealth or the bottom 25% will come after them and take the whole system down eventually.  They wealthy can keep ignoring this but it's coming and they have the power to stop it. 

 

So what's the alternative?  What's happening now and has been happening for decades is NOT working and it's getting worse.

There being really, really rich people that crap all over the majority poor people has been going on for millennia. 

Also, getting worse?  Worse than what exactly?  I'd like to know the halcyon days for African Americans that have come and gone. 

[Emo EMAW]

What public office does Al Sharpton hold?

[MakeItRain]

The only thing that will ever FIX this is for money to be pumped into these communities so the people living in these areas under these economic conditions can actually make something of themselves and live a life that they have no comprehension of right now. It's basic survival and waiting for the government to toss out the crumbs and getting out of that is next to impossible for any race without more money.  The top 5% had better wake up and re-distribute their ridiculous wealth or the bottom 25% will come after them and take the whole system down eventually.  They wealthy can keep ignoring this but it's coming and they have the power to stop it. 

 

So what's the alternative?  What's happening now and has been happening for decades is NOT working and it's getting worse.

Are seriously suggesting a redistribution of wealth as a solution to racial inequity? I thought your post was a joke. I brought a set of custom fit Callaway irons and a new Callaway driver on Saturday, far from waiting for government crumbs, and I can't stop people from assigning me a community and assigning me leaders because I'm black.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What public office does Al Sharpton hold?

Chancellor of the black community

[MakeItRain]

What public office does Al Sharpton hold?

Who said Al Sharpton holds a public office?

[Mr Bread]

So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down.  Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them?  For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?

1.  Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2.  Is confronted by cop(s)?
3.  There is a physical scruffle.
4.  Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5.  His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6.  Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)

Is that right?

I forgot out of the country doesn't have news or internet access.  It's scary out there.

I'm more of a "live in the moment" kind of person.  Also tough to catch the facts walking by a TV monitor in an airport.  Also, to me, issues like this are less important than actual real issues.

I forgot hayseeds don't have really amazing smart phones with super internet access all over the world.  I also forgot that even if they have them they are really technology dumb and hayseedy and can't use them properly.  I also forgot that you are more of a doer and not a knower.  I also forgot your issue hierarchy. 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks

@katkid

I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.

I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist

So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?

KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?

I think I agree with all of this. I'll stop referring to the "black community" and "black leaders" (though that won't stop many in the media from doing so). I will continue to refer to them as race hustlers, and it would be nice if they didn't draw such sizeable crowds. 

[ednksu]

6 isn't fuzzy at all, the Ferguson Chief of Police said the officer was treated for only a swollen face

Hey racist,
That isn't what he said at all.  There are a number of reasons why they could only treat swelling and it doesn't mean that was the officer's only injury.   
http://www.newsweek.com/ferguson-police-chief-says-officer-involved-shooting-was-injured-264511
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/15/darren-wilson-michael-brown_n_5681340.html

[MakeItRain]

I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks

@katkid

I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.

I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist

So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?

KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?

Hey racist, "tell me I'm wrong" no one said that except for you.

You can quit quoting me I'm done replying to you, the conversation with you is over. Not gE'ing here but you are literally too stupid to have this conversation with. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of conversation you're trying to have but you won't listen, whether I have a black leader isn't subject to opinion.

 

[Emo EMAW]

I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks

@katkid

I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.

I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist

So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?

KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?

Hey racist, "tell me I'm wrong" no one said that except for you.

[CNS]

So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down.  Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them?  For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?

1.  Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2.  Is confronted by cop(s)?
3.  There is a physical scruffle.
4.  Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5.  His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6.  Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)

Is that right?

the cop didn't know about #1 when this all went down.

[Emo EMAW]

So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down.  Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them?  For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?

1.  Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2.  Is confronted by cop(s)?
3.  There is a physical scruffle.
4.  Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5.  His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6.  Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)

Is that right?

the cop didn't know about #1 when this all went down.

What was the impetus for the confrontation?

[ednksu]

I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks

@katkid

I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.

I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist

So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?

KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?

Hey racist, "tell me I'm wrong" no one said that except for you.

You can quit quoting me I'm done replying to you, the conversation with you is over. Not gE'ing here but you are literally too stupid to have this conversation with. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of conversation you're trying to have but you won't listen, whether I have a black leader isn't subject to opinion.

 

Yeah except that isn't what I said at all.  You're making broad sweeping generalizations, misquotes, and being intellectually dishonest in order to duck a question.  You can make this about me as much as you like, but the problem is you, your posting style, and your constant ability to bite your own critiques.   That is where your dishonestly really comes into play since you refuse to have an open and honest conversation about issues.  Instead you make up points for the other person and argue only against those positions.   

[ednksu]

I'm not racist but,
Sharpton and Jesse Jackson?
clowns that lead dumb blacks

@katkid

I'm not racist, but THOSE people can't think for themselves and are led by clowns.

I've said about 6 times in this thread that the concept of a black community is folly and every black person I know does not see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton as our leaders. Instead of listening to me, I have these two posters who very obviously don't know any black people nor have never had a substantive conversation with a black person about this issue tell me I'm wrong. I point out that white people aren't placed in the white community and no other race has assigned leaders and that strangely makes me a racist

So this black community thing; myself, Herman Cane, Barack Obama, the Carr Brothers, and Nicki Minaj are in the same community? Okay?

KSUw, Al and Jesse get on television because they are public officials. Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh are public officials that get lots of publicity, are they the leaders of white people?

Hey racist, "tell me I'm wrong" no one said that except for you.

I'll just wait for this to clear up.

[Rage Against the McKee]

So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down.  Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them?  For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?

1.  Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2.  Is confronted by cop(s)?
3.  There is a physical scruffle.
4.  Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5.  His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6.  Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)

Is that right?

the cop didn't know about #1 when this all went down.

What was the impetus for the confrontation?

jaywalking

[Dugout DickStone]

I am pretty intrigued to see how Wilson's injury goes from swelling to fractured orbital bone.  It seems to only be reported on the fringes as a fracture.  If he had a broken face that would be relevant, at least as much so much so as some surveillance cam footage from a gas station over some cigars, no?

[ednksu]

So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down.  Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them?  For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?

1.  Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2.  Is confronted by cop(s)?
3.  There is a physical scruffle.
4.  Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5.  His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6.  Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)

Is that right?

the cop didn't know about #1 when this all went down.

What was the impetus for the confrontation?

The time line is at issue.  The officer supposedly first interacted with them about walking down the middle of the road.  There was a description released on the police radio which matched Brown and the second interaction occurred.

[Emo EMAW]

I am pretty intrigued to see how Wilson's injury goes from swelling to fractured orbital bone.  It seems to only be reported on the fringes as a fracture.  If he had a broken face that would be relevant, at least as much so much so as some surveillance cam footage from a gas station over some cigars, no?

I think any sort of documentable injury is relevant, fractures, bruising, swelling, etc.

[ednksu]

I am pretty intrigued to see how Wilson's injury goes from swelling to fractured orbital bone.  It seems to only be reported on the fringes as a fracture.  If he had a broken face that would be relevant, at least as much so much so as some surveillance cam footage from a gas station over some cigars, no?

Laws at play if he did hit the cop. I would say it really changes the entire scenario when we have two hefty felonies from one series of events.
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5650000081.htm
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5650000082.htm

[CNS]

So guys, I was out of the country when this ish went down.  Would someone mind recapping the facts as we know them?  For example (I don't know these to be true/verified), can someone quote and FYP?

1.  Unarmed big black dude steals cigars from c-store
2.  Is confronted by cop(s)?
3.  There is a physical scruffle.
4.  Unarmed big black dude is shot/killed.
5.  His body is left in the street for probably far too long, is removed by an SUV and not an ambulance.
6.  Cop has injuries requiring treatment (fractured face?)

Is that right?

the cop didn't know about #1 when this all went down.

What was the impetus for the confrontation?

The time line is at issue.  The officer supposedly first interacted with them about walking down the middle of the road.  There was a description released on the police radio which matched Brown and the second interaction occurred.

KC radio covered this last week and said that a second cop was indeed on his way to that area in response to robbery, but that the shooter had no clue at the time.  I guess a friend of the shooter cop did a radio interview and said the shooter cop did know.  so, more 

[ednksu]

CNS last page i posted a huff po link with a police presser.  in it the Chief gave a brief, poorly organized timeline.  The cop *could* have heard the suspect description right before the fatal confrontation occurred. 

Also as I noted the most favorable accounts to the officer point towards the j-walking stop. Some brief pause or break in contact, possibly coinciding with the radio call, and the resulting series of altercations which led to the shooting and death of Mr. Brown.

[CNS]

CNS last page i posted a huff po link with a police presser.  in it the Chief gave a brief, poorly organized timeline.  The cop *could* have heard the suspect description right before the fatal confrontation occurred. 

Also as I noted the most favorable accounts to the officer point towards the j-walking stop. Some brief pause or break in contact, possibly coinciding with the radio call, and the resulting series of altercations which led to the shooting and death of Mr. Brown.

KC radio said that from the police dept's own release that the officer didn't know.