StL County Cops Shoot Teen

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

god damnit

[MakeItRain]

Not satisfied with the Ferguson/St. Louis cops coming off horribly every time they speak, Benjamin Crump and crew set out to one-up them.

Benjamin Crump is just another opportunist.

Is every single n-word who doesn't fall in line with Limbaugh/Fox News an opportunists? Jesus rough ridin' Christ this crap gets old. This is blatant racism but if you call a spade a spade people get all offended and use terms like race card. eff off.

[The1BigWillie]

I have a feeling that this story is going to start swinging towards the cop's side soon showing Brown as a dangerous "thug" who "threatened" the officer's safety. The officer will not be charged, and there will be a crap show of epic proportions nationally. This thing is just getting started.

[MakeItRain]

If none of the bullet wounds are in the back, then basically none of the witness testimony that has come forth thus far has been credible. I would lean toward not charging the cop.

The forensic evidence doesn't mesh with what the cops leaked either about a struggle at the car. If Brown was at the car the entire time how in the hell was he shot six times? Was there a struggle at the car, then Brown saw the gun and then ran away, then ran back with a weapon trained at him? How much contradictory crap do we have to see before conclusion jumping stops?

[MakeItRain]

I have a feeling that this story is going to start swinging towards the cop's side soon showing Brown as a dangerous "thug" who "threatened" the officer's safety. The officer will not be charged, and there will be a crap show of epic proportions nationally. This thing is just getting started.

There were plenty of people like K-S-U-Wildcats! who thought that before there was any video, released police report, or report of weed in his system. A drudge report about weed in his system isn't going to change anyone's mind. If you think having weed in his system has any significance its safe to say that your mind was already made up about the type of person Brown was. Dude, there are still lots of people who feel that George Zimmerman was right to feel threatened by Trayvon Martin.

[puniraptor]

invention to fix american police that i am now patenting:

cops dont want to have full time body cams or dash cams because they think it hinders there ability to network with their neighborhoods and do police stuff properly.

i propose a camera mounted to their guns that begins recording video and sound when their guns are drawn. the gun's-eye view will give instant feedback as to whether a shooting is justified or not. this tech should be pretty easy to implement and should be mandatory. much better than a dash or shoulder cam that must record constantly and have a good chance of being pointed away from the action.

this post is legally me patenting this idea. lawyer mods will confirm.

[Paul Moscow]

Why does not being shot in the back prove that he wasn't facing away from the officer when he was shot?

Forensic pathologist Shawn Parcells, who assisted former New York City chief medical examiner Dr. Michael Baden during the autopsy, said a bullet graze wound on Brown's right arm could have occurred in several ways. The teen may have had his back to the shooter, or he could have been facing the shooter with his hands above his head or in a defensive position across his face or chest, Parcells said.

[Paul Moscow]

might have been posted already but here's a q&a the witness did with local media

http://www.scribd.com/doc/236754541/Dorian-Johnson-Q-A

[#LIFE]

I have a feeling that this story is going to start swinging towards the cop's side soon showing Brown as a dangerous "thug" who "threatened" the officer's safety. The officer will not be charged, and there will be a crap show of epic proportions nationally. This thing is just getting started.

There were plenty of people like K-S-U-Wildcats! who thought that before there was any video, released police report, or report of weed in his system. A drudge report about weed in his system isn't going to change anyone's mind. If you think having weed in his system has any significance its safe to say that your mind was already made up about the type of person Brown was. Dude, there are still lots of people who feel that George Zimmerman was right to feel threatened by Trayvon Martin.

That's gold coming from you 

[The1BigWillie]

I have a feeling that this story is going to start swinging towards the cop's side soon showing Brown as a dangerous "thug" who "threatened" the officer's safety. The officer will not be charged, and there will be a crap show of epic proportions nationally. This thing is just getting started.

There were plenty of people like K-S-U-Wildcats! who thought that before there was any video, released police report, or report of weed in his system. A drudge report about weed in his system isn't going to change anyone's mind. If you think having weed in his system has any significance its safe to say that your mind was already made up about the type of person Brown was. Dude, there are still lots of people who feel that George Zimmerman was right to feel threatened by Trayvon Martin.

I don't think the weed in his system had any significance. I think just walking into a store and robbing it in broad daylight made my mind up on the type of person Brown was.  Still doesn't justify being executed but I can't say that this Johnson kid would be the most reliable and trustworthy witness either.  Someone is full of crap here...  There is likely some truth to both sides of the story but I'm not sure anything short of a major prison stint for this cop is going to keep major riots from erupting. 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Not satisfied with the Ferguson/St. Louis cops coming off horribly every time they speak, Benjamin Crump and crew set out to one-up them.

Benjamin Crump is just another opportunist.

Is every single ****** who doesn't fall in line with Limbaugh/Fox News an opportunists? Jesus rough ridin' Christ this crap gets old. This is blatant racism but if you call a spade a spade people get all offended and use terms like race card. eff off.

Coming from the man who bleats racism. Just really, really terrible MIR.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why does not being shot in the back prove that he wasn't facing away from the officer when he was shot?

Forensic pathologist Shawn Parcells, who assisted former New York City chief medical examiner Dr. Michael Baden during the autopsy, said a bullet graze wound on Brown's right arm could have occurred in several ways. The teen may have had his back to the shooter, or he could have been facing the shooter with his hands above his head or in a defensive position across his face or chest, Parcells said.

It doesn't prove that he wasn't facing away, but it doesn't prove that he was, either. It's going to make a murder conviction very difficult to come by because the forensic evidence is going to support whatever story the officer comes forward with, and the key witness was a party to an assault and robbery with the victim just 10 minutes earlier.

[michigancat]

A new Pew Research Center poll shows many more African Americans than whites say:

    The shooting of an unarmed black teenager Michael Brown by a white police officer "raises important issues about race" (80 percent of blacks and 37 percent of whites)
    The police response to the shooting has gone too far (65 percent black, 33 percent white)
    They have no or not much confidence in the investigation into the shooting (76 percent black, 33 percent white)

wow, white people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/08/18/racial-reactions-to-ferguson-even-stronger-than-to-trayvon-martin/

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I have a feeling that this story is going to start swinging towards the cop's side soon showing Brown as a dangerous "thug" who "threatened" the officer's safety. The officer will not be charged, and there will be a crap show of epic proportions nationally. This thing is just getting started.

There were plenty of people like K-S-U-Wildcats! who thought that before there was any video, released police report, or report of weed in his system. A drudge report about weed in his system isn't going to change anyone's mind. If you think having weed in his system has any significance its safe to say that your mind was already made up about the type of person Brown was. Dude, there are still lots of people who feel that George Zimmerman was right to feel threatened by Trayvon Martin.

So I made up my mind before the evidence started coming out? Maybe go back and re-read my posts in this thread. Never mind - you're too busy tossing around the n-word while accusing other people of bigotry.

You're clearly emotional and not thinking rationally about this, but I'll give it another shot. The question is whether the officer had a reasonable belief of eminent death or serious bodily harm when he shot Brown. We don't have video of the fight, so we look to other evidence.

In the minutes just prior to the shooting, Brown (1) stole a box of cigars from a convenience store in broad daylight, (2) attacked the store owner, (3) rather than fleeing after his robbery, casually walked down the middle of the street with his friend, (4) refused to comply with a police officer's command that he get on the sidewalk, saying words to the effect of "no, I'm also to where I'm going," and (5) likely assaulted the officer in his car. These are not the actions of a rational, peaceful person, and now we learn that he was indeed intoxicated.

These are not attempts to assassinate his character - they provide an indication that he was the aggressor, and provide some support to the cop's "he made a run at me" story (if that's what it is). Meanwhile, the frontal wounds noted in autopsy also call into question the eyewitness testimony that Brown was shot in the back while running away from the officer.

This is all stuff to be taken into account.

[Trim]

A new Pew Research Center poll shows many more African Americans than whites say:

    The shooting of an unarmed black teenager Michael Brown by a white police officer "raises important issues about race" (80 percent of blacks and 37 percent of whites)
    The police response to the shooting has gone too far (65 percent black, 33 percent white)
    They have no or not much confidence in the investigation into the shooting (76 percent black, 33 percent white)

wow, white people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/08/18/racial-reactions-to-ferguson-even-stronger-than-to-trayvon-martin/

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The forensic evidence doesn't mesh with what the cops leaked either about a struggle at the car. If Brown was at the car the entire time how in the hell was he shot six times?

I don't think the cops contend, or have ever contended, that Brown was at the car the entire time. I think you may be confused.

Was there a struggle at the car, then Brown saw the gun and then ran away, then ran back with a weapon trained at him? How much contradictory crap do we have to see before conclusion jumping stops?

Maybe. You're the one jumping to conclusions - you reached a conclusion that Brown was just a black man "hunted down in the street" from the get go. Some of us just want more information.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think everyone should be able to agree that congress needs to pass a law requiring all law enforcement to install dash cams on their vehicles.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

A new Pew Research Center poll shows many more African Americans than whites say:

    The shooting of an unarmed black teenager Michael Brown by a white police officer "raises important issues about race" (80 percent of blacks and 37 percent of whites)
    The police response to the shooting has gone too far (65 percent black, 33 percent white)
    They have no or not much confidence in the investigation into the shooting (76 percent black, 33 percent white)

wow, white people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/08/18/racial-reactions-to-ferguson-even-stronger-than-to-trayvon-martin/

Interesting how nearly the same exact percentage of blacks agree with the first and third propositions, but only 65% agree that the "police have gone too far in response to the shooting." It's especially interesting because the question is so horribly loaded - the police weren't responding to the shooting, but to the looting and rioting that ensued.

Also interesting that nearly 80% of blacks believe there will not be a sufficient investigation into the shooting, despite Eric Holder's DoJ stepping in and the assignment of 40 FBI agents to the case. 40.

[SdK]

40?

[michigancat]

A new Pew Research Center poll shows many more African Americans than whites say:

    The shooting of an unarmed black teenager Michael Brown by a white police officer "raises important issues about race" (80 percent of blacks and 37 percent of whites)
    The police response to the shooting has gone too far (65 percent black, 33 percent white)
    They have no or not much confidence in the investigation into the shooting (76 percent black, 33 percent white)

wow, white people.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/08/18/racial-reactions-to-ferguson-even-stronger-than-to-trayvon-martin/

Interesting how nearly the same exact percentage of blacks agree with the first and third propositions, but only 65% agree that the "police have gone too far in response to the shooting." It's especially interesting because the question is so horribly loaded - the police weren't responding to the shooting, but to the looting and rioting that ensued.

Also interesting that nearly 80% of blacks believe there will not be a sufficient investigation into the shooting, despite Eric Holder's DoJ stepping in and the assignment of 40 FBI agents to the case. 40.

whites were consistent

[Kat Kid]

It is premature to assert that he was intoxicated.  We don't know that yet.

[Trim]

Mods, put the same poll up here on gE.

[8manpick]

It is premature to assert that he was intoxicated.  We don't know that yet.

Also very Reefer Madness-esque to suggest that pot made him violent.

[Spracne]

It is premature to assert that he was intoxicated.  We don't know that yet.

Also very Reefer Madness-esque to suggest that pot made him violent.

On the contrary, it was the lack of pot that made him violent.  He had just stolen those blunt sticks and was on his way to go roll a .  He was jonesin.  Nothing was going to stand in his way - laws, morality, police - nothing.

[gatoveintisiet]

Not satisfied with the Ferguson/St. Louis cops coming off horribly every time they speak, Benjamin Crump and crew set out to one-up them.

Benjamin Crump is just another opportunist.

Is every single n-word who doesn't fall in line with Limbaugh/Fox News an opportunists? Jesus rough ridin' Christ this crap gets old. This is blatant racism but if you call a spade a spade people get all offended and use terms like race card. eff off.