Executions - Now We're Just Winging It

[Rage Against the McKee]

So,

1.  it's okay to kill people BEFORE they commit crimes, but
2.  not AFTER they actually commit them

Got it.

It's okay to kill people while they are committing a crime. Not before or after.

your ethical line in the sand is interesting.  Are you describing a self defense sitch only?

Mostly. In the case of using drones to take out US citizens, it's more murky, but if said citizen is taking steps that are going to lead to dead law-abiding Americans, then I really don't have a problem with it.

[ydarg2012]

Man, when modern technology catches up with the movie "Minority Report" (starring everyone's favorite midget Tom Cruise) everyone on this board is going to be piiisssssed!!

[michigancat]

I don't think we should kill American citizens with drones overseas.

[Emo EMAW]

I don't think we should kill American citizens with drones overseas.

 

[michigancat]

I don't think we should kill American citizens with drones overseas.

 

FWIW, I don't think the drones are a problem - it's the killing. If we sent in navy seals instead of a drone, it's just as bad. I have no idea why people think one is OK and the other isn't.

[Emo EMAW]

I don't think we should kill American citizens with drones overseas.

 

FWIW, I don't think the drones are a problem - it's the killing. If we sent in navy seals instead of a drone, it's just as bad. I have no idea why people think one is OK and the other isn't.

I'm inclined to say that Navy SEALS involved in a firefight shouldn't have to the check the ID of a dude shooting at him before he sends him to meet his maker.

[DQ12]

What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?

I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.

Do you think the government should be allowed to kill American citizens overseas with drones?

Of course not. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

What more basic role does the federal government serve other than to kill people for the benefit of the society it serves?  Post roads?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?

I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.

It's a moral question and is up to society to decide. Society has decided execution and I'm fine with it.

As to your inability to speak on the accuracy of the "data", you honestly aren't sure whether the SCOTUS is stacked with Bush appointees or whether 1/25 murderers have been wrongly convicted??? GMAFB, that's got to be a joke.
 

[DQ12]

What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?

I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.

It's a moral question and is up to society to decide. Society has decided execution and I'm fine with it.

As to your inability to speak on the accuracy of the "data", you honestly aren't sure whether the SCOTUS is stacked with Bush appointees or whether 1/25 murderers have been wrongly convicted??? GMAFB, that's got to be a joke.

I was speaking more to the relative use of execution against minorities.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?

I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.

It's a moral question and is up to society to decide. Society has decided execution and I'm fine with it.

As to your inability to speak on the accuracy of the "data", you honestly aren't sure whether the SCOTUS is stacked with Bush appointees or whether 1/25 murderers have been wrongly convicted??? GMAFB, that's got to be a joke.

I was speaking more to the relative use of execution against minorities.

I would hope that murderers would be in the most extreme minority of any society.

[DQ12]

What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?

I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.

It's a moral question and is up to society to decide. Society has decided execution and I'm fine with it.

As to your inability to speak on the accuracy of the "data", you honestly aren't sure whether the SCOTUS is stacked with Bush appointees or whether 1/25 murderers have been wrongly convicted??? GMAFB, that's got to be a joke.

I was speaking more to the relative use of execution against minorities.

I would hope that murderers would be in the most extreme minority of any society.

Now that is a well executed joke.

[Dugout DickStone]

What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?

I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.

It's a moral question and is up to society to decide. Society has decided execution and I'm fine with it.

As to your inability to speak on the accuracy of the "data", you honestly aren't sure whether the SCOTUS is stacked with Bush appointees or whether 1/25 murderers have been wrongly convicted??? GMAFB, that's got to be a joke.

I was speaking more to the relative use of execution against minorities.

I would hope that murderers would be in the most extreme minority of any society.

Now that is a well executed joke.

 

[Katpappy]

Why not give them a heroin overdose? It seems to be effective and pleasant.

I realize the government would have a ton of heroine that they confiscated during one of their drug busts, but it's pretty funny to think of a government employee buying heroine from a drug dealer for an execution.

Heroine and morphine come from the same plant, poppy.  Heroine is more refined and was commonly prescribed by dentists in previous centuries.   
Medical uses:  Ancient Egyptian doctors would have their patients eat seeds from a poppy to relieve pain. Poppy seeds contain small quantities of both morphine and codeine.

[Cartierfor3]

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article4014813.html

Utah wants firing squads. I hate the death penalty guys.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What kind of sick person would sign up to be on a firing squad?

[CNS]

So, if ppl are now ok with execution by bullet, why does it have to be a squad instead of just a machine or something?  I mean, the process can be exactly like the lethal injection, tie them down, give them a huge sedative to make them sleep, except then have a machine or person shoot them in the head rather than injecting them with the killing drug cocktail. 

[Dugout DickStone]

What kind of sick person would sign up to be on a firing squad?

Are you serious?  I bet there is a waiting list of Judges

[CNS]

You could fund the execution costs by holding raffles for ppl to serve on said squads in many red states.

[Rage Against the McKee]

You could fund the execution costs by holding raffles for ppl to serve on said squads in many red states.

You could put together a really good list of people who shouldn't be allowed to own guns that way.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

So, if ppl are now ok with execution by bullet, why does it have to be a squad instead of just a machine or something?  I mean, the process can be exactly like the lethal injection, tie them down, give them a huge sedative to make them sleep, except then have a machine or person shoot them in the head rather than injecting them with the killing drug cocktail.

What's hilarious is that you've made a man pulling a trigger compared to a man pushing a button on a machine or squeezing a syringe as an important distinction in your analysis.

[Mrs. Gooch]

So, if ppl are now ok with execution by bullet, why does it have to be a squad instead of just a machine or something?  I mean, the process can be exactly like the lethal injection, tie them down, give them a huge sedative to make them sleep, except then have a machine or person shoot them in the head rather than injecting them with the killing drug cocktail.

What's hilarious is that you've made a man pulling a trigger compared to a man pushing a button on a machine or squeezing a syringe as an important distinction in your analysis.

At least with a firing squad you don't know who actually killed him, right?

[CNS]

I understand there isn't any distinction btwn triggers and buttons in that scenario.   I also understand the traditional reason for the firing squad in it providing the ability to not know for sure who killed the person.  What I am saying is that the lethal injection model doesn't allow for a squad of ppl to be unsure and the firing squad method assumes it is acceptable to shoot someone.  Why not simplify it all and merge the two?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Maybe we should put together a system where the inmate has to push the button to kill himself. That way we wouldn't have to employ killers to uphold our justice system.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I thought Obama bought up all the ammo in the US.