What a guy our old FRANK is!

[mocat]

84-75 and 101-96 and preseason #3 tho dax!!!

[OregonSmock]

Not tearing down the actual success, just pointing out the reality.   Frank walked into a pretty fantastic situation as head coach at K-State.  The fanbase (that was waiting for a good program to cheer for again) was re-energized by the previous coach, two of the most hotly sought after (if not the most sought after) recruits in the nation were sitting in the dressing room, nearly all if not all of the coaching staff was retained, and one of the highest paid recruiters in the country was out on the trail.

It would have been one of the biggest failures in college athletic history to not do something with that.

Be honest, by the end, momentum off all that was dwindling rapidly.    Frank got to plunge the shovel into the ground of a state of the art basketball training facility, and the AD put him on the road towards a total compensation package worth nearly $2 million dollars a year, at a basketball program that at its financial zenith produces about $8.5 million a year. 

But Frank's gotta be Frank, and Currie's gotta be Currie, and showing that you can't change your skin, Frank has already had to apologize for being Frank at his new job.

Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.

You guys won a share of the Big 12 last year with Frank's team.  I wouldn't say momentum was necessarily "dwindling rapidly."

[Spracne]

Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.

Not sure why the gender bashing, but the proper term is primo uomo.  As an Italian, Frank would take offense to your comment.

[sonofdaxjones]

Not tearing down the actual success, just pointing out the reality.   Frank walked into a pretty fantastic situation as head coach at K-State.  The fanbase (that was waiting for a good program to cheer for again) was re-energized by the previous coach, two of the most hotly sought after (if not the most sought after) recruits in the nation were sitting in the dressing room, nearly all if not all of the coaching staff was retained, and one of the highest paid recruiters in the country was out on the trail.

It would have been one of the biggest failures in college athletic history to not do something with that.

Be honest, by the end, momentum off all that was dwindling rapidly.    Frank got to plunge the shovel into the ground of a state of the art basketball training facility, and the AD put him on the road towards a total compensation package worth nearly $2 million dollars a year, at a basketball program that at its financial zenith produces about $8.5 million a year. 

But Frank's gotta be Frank, and Currie's gotta be Currie, and showing that you can't change your skin, Frank has already had to apologize for being Frank at his new job.

Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.

You guys won a share of the Big 12 last year with Frank's team.  I wouldn't say momentum was necessarily "dwindling rapidly."

Some of the keys to last years season couldn't so much as breath incorrectly without Frank yanking them out of the game.   No one will ever convince me that Shane and Tay Irving weren't breathing a lot easier, in addition, once Rodney got a feel for oscar's offense his game excelled with the open looks it generated.

[420seriouscat69]

Beems, I like you, but my take is that KU fans want oscar to turn into dog crap so badly, cause he had a funeral for Self and is a giant dork. I mean there were like 30 threads making fun of oscar on the phog during the hire and now I think they're a little concerned, so they continue to say "just wait, he'll muck it up", basically the "Synder will die soon" crowd. Yeah, you guys will blast us every year, but this team is built for a 4 year run. We basically have 3 starting FR that will have to stay. He can build around them now.

[sonofdaxjones]

Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.

Not sure why the gender bashing, but the proper term is primo uomo.  As an Italian, Frank would take offense to your comment.

Frank's not Italian (sorry for calling you a dumbass)

[Mixed-Nutz]

What player/players on this teams roster would be here if Frank was still coaching at K-State?

Gip?

[Trim]

Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.

Not sure why the gender bashing, but the proper term is primo uomo.  As an Italian, Frank would take offense to your comment.

Frank's not Italian (sorry for calling you a dumbass)

He's EYE-talian.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Beems, I like you, but my take is that KU fans want oscar to turn into dog crap so badly, cause he had a funeral for Self and is a giant dork. I mean there were like 30 threads making fun of oscar on the phog during the hire and now I think they're a little concerned, so they continue to say "just wait, he'll muck it up", basically the "Synder will die soon" crowd. Yeah, you guys will blast us every year, but this team is built for a 4 year run. We basically have 3 starting FR that will have to stay. He can build around them now.

KU can't handle K-State having a better basketball mind at the helm then Self. Some people just can't be thankful for what they have.

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.

Not sure why the gender bashing, but the proper term is primo uomo.  As an Italian, Frank would take offense to your comment.

Good post.

[Trim]

What player/players on this teams roster would be here if Frank was still coaching at K-State?

Gip?

That narrows the pool quite a bit.

[kso_FAN]

Dax I'm ok with where we are now. I've accepted #bruceketball and let go of Frank. But I don't get you're constant tearing down of the success we had during his time here. It was really fun, and we were pretty good. Not great, but consistently good and entertaining. Yeah, he was probably digging his own recruiting grave and it wouldn't sustain and everything, but you seem to really be set on tearing down those years, and anyone who supported this guy as a coach.

I enjoyed Frank's tenure immensely as a fan.

[Belvis Noland]

That's debatable.  Four of K-State's top six players are Frank recruits, and I'd argue that Southwell and Gipson are every bit as valuable to K-State as Marcus Foster.   oscar's first recruiting class is extremely solid, but is it better than potentially retaining Angel Rodriguez and signing Sindarius Thornwell?

6 best players:
1) Foster
2) Gip
3) Southwell
4) Westicles
5) Thomas
6) Sprad/Nino? 

Also, Frank's best player - Angel - transferred.  that's gotta be worth something. 

[Mixed-Nutz]

That's debatable.  Four of K-State's top six players are Frank recruits, and I'd argue that Southwell and Gipson are every bit as valuable to K-State as Marcus Foster.   oscar's first recruiting class is extremely solid, but is it better than potentially retaining Angel Rodriguez and signing Sindarius Thornwell?

6 best players:
1) Foster
2) Gip
3) Southwell
4) Westicles
5) Thomas
6) Sprad/Nino? 

Also, Frank's best player - Angel - transferred.  that's gotta be worth something.

Jevon is the best recruit we have landed since Beasley.  Angel is the 2nd best recruit since Beasley, IMO.

Would take Jevon & Foster over Angel & Thornwell because of longterm value. 

[MakeItRain]

Not tearing down the actual success, just pointing out the reality.   Frank walked into a pretty fantastic situation as head coach at K-State.  The fanbase (that was waiting for a good program to cheer for again) was re-energized by the previous coach, two of the most hotly sought after (if not the most sought after) recruits in the nation were sitting in the dressing room, nearly all if not all of the coaching staff was retained, and one of the highest paid recruiters in the country was out on the trail.

It would have been one of the biggest failures in college athletic history to not do something with that.

Be honest, by the end, momentum off all that was dwindling rapidly.    Frank got to plunge the shovel into the ground of a state of the art basketball training facility, and the AD put him on the road towards a total compensation package worth nearly $2 million dollars a year, at a basketball program that at its financial zenith produces about $8.5 million a year. 

But Frank's gotta be Frank, and Currie's gotta be Currie, and showing that you can't change your skin, Frank has already had to apologize for being Frank at his new job.

Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.

You guys won a share of the Big 12 last year with Frank's team.  I wouldn't say momentum was necessarily "dwindling rapidly."

Yeah that comment was really stupid, there was no dwindling momentum.  We won a ncaa tournament game, had most of the team returning, a training facility being built, one of the most heralded recruits joining the team, great ticket sales, etc., etc., etc. That sentence encapsulates dax's misplaced Frankrage.

[Belvis Noland]

18 months into the new job, new AD, already forced to publicly apologize to player(s) and fans.

This isn't rocket surgery kids.

False

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/sec/2014/01/21/frank-martin-south-carolina-apologizes-tirade-brenton-williams/4723279/

"South Carolina coach Frank Martin has apologized for a tirade directed at guard Brenton Williams in the first half in the Gamecocks' loss to Mississippi on Saturday.  Martin says he went too far after getting caught up in the moment. Martin also apologized to fans around South Carolina's bench [i.e. powerful boosters] who heard the exchange."

I presume no apology would have been issued, but for the boosters hearing FM trash his player.  I also presume that the upset boosters took their grievance to the AD who, in turn, took action. 

No, I don't have any facts to support this obvious theory. 

[Belvis Noland]

Yeah that comment was really stupid, there was no dwindling momentum.  We won a ncaa tournament game, had most of the team returning, a training facility being built, one of the most heralded recruits joining the team, great ticket sales, etc., etc., etc. That sentence encapsulates dax's misplaced Frankrage.

but, we didn't have most of the team returning.  remember?  This is another one of the reasons ADJC fired Frank, remember?  Because Will, Southwell, and JO all complained to the AD behind FM's back and they were going to transfer if Frank came back, or so the story goes. 

[wabash909]

Dax I'm ok with where we are now. I've accepted #bruceketball and let go of Frank. But I don't get you're constant tearing down of the success we had during his time here. It was really fun, and we were pretty good. Not great, but consistently good and entertaining. Yeah, he was probably digging his own recruiting grave and it wouldn't sustain and everything, but you seem to really be set on tearing down those years, and anyone who supported this guy as a coach.

I enjoyed Frank's tenure immensely as a fan.

I enjoyed Frank's tenure immensely as a fan also. 

He was also an incredibly foolish dumbass for abandoning a great situation at K-State with tremendous support at virtually all levels (even considering the tepid working relationship with his AD).  Dude left a job coming off of 4 out of 5 NCAA appearances for obscurity at a dead end program at South Carolina and was naive enough and arrogant enough to think this would be a good career move. 

I honestly do feel really sad for him. 

In year two, his team is literally the worst program in the SEC, by far the worst major conference in all of college basketball.  The SEC is a two bid league and they are going to finish in dead last this season.  That's unbelievable.

[kso_FAN]

I agree that his choice of job to leave for was extremely dumb. So bad that it could end his head coaching career, at least in a BCS level league.

[Cartierfor3]

Not tearing down the actual success, just pointing out the reality.   Frank walked into a pretty fantastic situation as head coach at K-State.  The fanbase (that was waiting for a good program to cheer for again) was re-energized by the previous coach, two of the most hotly sought after (if not the most sought after) recruits in the nation were sitting in the dressing room, nearly all if not all of the coaching staff was retained, and one of the highest paid recruiters in the country was out on the trail.

It would have been one of the biggest failures in college athletic history to not do something with that.

Be honest, by the end, momentum off all that was dwindling rapidly.  Frank got to plunge the shovel into the ground of a state of the art basketball training facility, and the AD put him on the road towards a total compensation package worth nearly $2 million dollars a year, at a basketball program that at its financial zenith produces about $8.5 million a year. 

But Frank's gotta be Frank, and Currie's gotta be Currie, and showing that you can't change your skin, Frank has already had to apologize for being Frank at his new job.

Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.

Like I said, you love to tear down anyone who supported Frank. You're a good poster with good points about this topic and others, but there's like always a dig in there somewhere directed towards anyone who disagrees with you. It kinda gets old Dax honestly.

[ChiComCat]

I figure he gets a solid 4 years at least and he will start to show improvement.  I am rooting for him there.  Don't think he will reach the level of success he had at K-State, but I think he will reach a level where he does good enough to stay there but not good enough for anyone to poach him.

[Trim]

I agree that his choice of job to leave for was extremely dumb. So bad that it could end his head coaching career, at least in a BCS level league.

We could have HC Underwood with AC Frank!

[420seriouscat69]

I agree that his choice of job to leave for was extremely dumb. So bad that it could end his head coaching career, at least in a BCS level league.

We could have HC Underwood with AC Frank!

Would take.

[michigancat]

I agree that his choice of job to leave for was extremely dumb. So bad that it could end his head coaching career, at least in a BCS level league.

We could have HC Underwood with AC Frank!

This this the most interesting thing anyone has posted in one of these threads in two years.

[Belvis Noland]

On the bright side, south carolina would be a pretty sweet place to live if you were rich and unemployed.