Spirited debate inspired by Dax.

[catzacker]

Weber was going to the College of Charleston before Currie called.  just sayin'

[sonofdaxjones]

Weber was going to the College of Charleston before Currie called.  just sayin'

If you had a chance to go live in Charleston and make a nice chunk of cash coaching basketball, you'd go to zacker.

In addition, Davis was fired at UAB for relatively non on court performance reasons and was so sought out by other similar or higher schools he ended up at Texas Southern on an interim basis, at first anyway. 

[ksupamplemousse]

Mods, can you move this crap somewhere else...please?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Daris:  Nearly a .700 winning percentage in 15 years as a head coach, over .500 in the NCAA tourney, only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play.   You have to look long and rough ridin' hard to find much negative in there, the negativity is purely subjective at that juncture.

gosh darnit dax, no one (especially me) is arguing with your nameless oscar weber resume talking points so you can stop posting them. the argument (at least from me) is that they are simply that and nothing more.

Then there's massive swaths of the so called "Top 40" coaches who have nothing more than nameless talking points on their resume.

everything you listed above and then some could be applied to mike davis. their nameless bulletpoint resumes are virtually identical. that is why your "Nearly a .700 winning percentage in 15 years as a head coach, over .500 in the NCAA tourney, only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play" talking points are discounted and juvenile. i mean, just in case you were wondering.

also, if one factors in that oscar was fired from his previous job for losing too often then you really don't have to look that far to see a great big neon flashing negative.

Also, let's not say "only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play" like that is something impressive.

[steve dave]

Mods, can you move this crap somewhere else...please?

[sonofdaxjones]

Daris:  Nearly a .700 winning percentage in 15 years as a head coach, over .500 in the NCAA tourney, only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play.   You have to look long and rough ridin' hard to find much negative in there, the negativity is purely subjective at that juncture.

gosh darnit dax, no one (especially me) is arguing with your nameless oscar weber resume talking points so you can stop posting them. the argument (at least from me) is that they are simply that and nothing more.

Then there's massive swaths of the so called "Top 40" coaches who have nothing more than nameless talking points on their resume.

everything you listed above and then some could be applied to mike davis. their nameless bulletpoint resumes are virtually identical. that is why your "Nearly a .700 winning percentage in 15 years as a head coach, over .500 in the NCAA tourney, only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play" talking points are discounted and juvenile. i mean, just in case you were wondering.

also, if one factors in that oscar was fired from his previous job for losing too often then you really don't have to look that far to see a great big neon flashing negative.

Also, let's not say "only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play" like that is something impressive.

In the context of the college the D1 college coaching ranks, it kind of is, unless you're talking about a very small group of guys who never, ever coach The Kansas State University.

[pissclams]

I'm interested to see what 'clams' dossier on this young gun says.  I love 'clams' hoops dossiers.  For my money there just aren't better dossiers out there. 

hey bread just came across this dossier request.  sorry about not responding to it sooner but you know how it is...
who are we talking about here?  i'll pull up my portfolio and see about getting that data to you on the A-LINE.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Daris:  Nearly a .700 winning percentage in 15 years as a head coach, over .500 in the NCAA tourney, only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play.   You have to look long and rough ridin' hard to find much negative in there, the negativity is purely subjective at that juncture.

gosh darnit dax, no one (especially me) is arguing with your nameless oscar weber resume talking points so you can stop posting them. the argument (at least from me) is that they are simply that and nothing more.

Then there's massive swaths of the so called "Top 40" coaches who have nothing more than nameless talking points on their resume.

everything you listed above and then some could be applied to mike davis. their nameless bulletpoint resumes are virtually identical. that is why your "Nearly a .700 winning percentage in 15 years as a head coach, over .500 in the NCAA tourney, only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play" talking points are discounted and juvenile. i mean, just in case you were wondering.

also, if one factors in that oscar was fired from his previous job for losing too often then you really don't have to look that far to see a great big neon flashing negative.

Also, let's not say "only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play" like that is something impressive.

In the context of the college the D1 college coaching ranks, it kind of is, unless you're talking about a very small group of guys who never, ever coach The Kansas State University.

Our last head coach only has one losing season overall and one losing season in conference play, and he didn't have any until we ran him off to take over one of the worst programs in all of college basketball.

[sonofdaxjones]

Daris:  Nearly a .700 winning percentage in 15 years as a head coach, over .500 in the NCAA tourney, only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play.   You have to look long and rough ridin' hard to find much negative in there, the negativity is purely subjective at that juncture.

gosh darnit dax, no one (especially me) is arguing with your nameless oscar weber resume talking points so you can stop posting them. the argument (at least from me) is that they are simply that and nothing more.

Then there's massive swaths of the so called "Top 40" coaches who have nothing more than nameless talking points on their resume.

everything you listed above and then some could be applied to mike davis. their nameless bulletpoint resumes are virtually identical. that is why your "Nearly a .700 winning percentage in 15 years as a head coach, over .500 in the NCAA tourney, only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play" talking points are discounted and juvenile. i mean, just in case you were wondering.

also, if one factors in that oscar was fired from his previous job for losing too often then you really don't have to look that far to see a great big neon flashing negative.

Also, let's not say "only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play" like that is something impressive.

In the context of the college the D1 college coaching ranks, it kind of is, unless you're talking about a very small group of guys who never, ever coach The Kansas State University.

Our last head coach only has one losing season overall and one losing season in conference play, and he didn't have any until we ran him off to take over one of the worst programs in all of college basketball.

Okay.

But I only put part of the reason as to Frank leaving as "we" ran him off (I guess Currie's name is we now).

Frank also left because he looked at the roster and realized that his $hit recruiting left the cupboard empty and the talent that was here was sick of the guy and would have never even come close to their limited potential with Frank ranting and melting down on the sidelines as he pulled Southwell out for not sweating hard enough.  Plus how many more circa 1980 (and before) offenses could Brad Underwood pull out of the bag of tricks to teach to a clueless Frank Martin?

[ksupamplemousse]

Mods, can you move this crap somewhere else...please?

Thanks SD, you're a real good guy.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Weber was going to the College of Charleston before Currie called.  just sayin'

If you had a chance to go live in Charleston and make a nice chunk of cash coaching basketball, you'd go to zacker.

In addition, Davis was fired at UAB for relatively non on court performance reasons and was so sought out by other similar or higher schools he ended up at Texas Southern on an interim basis, at first anyway.

davis ended up at UAB because that is what should happen to big10 coaches that make the national championship final game with someone elses players in their second year and then go on to a .500 conference record in their remaining years. both got fired because of their subsequent performances as a coach. both were considered guys that should be fired.

the best gig davis could get was UAB and the best gig weber was going to get was charleston. whether zacker would or would not take money to go coach basketball in charleston is beside the point and in no way should factor into whether oscar is a top 40 coach or not.

[sonofdaxjones]

Weber was going to the College of Charleston before Currie called.  just sayin'

If you had a chance to go live in Charleston and make a nice chunk of cash coaching basketball, you'd go to zacker.

In addition, Davis was fired at UAB for relatively non on court performance reasons and was so sought out by other similar or higher schools he ended up at Texas Southern on an interim basis, at first anyway.

davis ended up at UAB because that is what should happen to big10 coaches that make the national championship final game with someone elses players in their second year and then go on to a .500 conference record in their remaining years. both got fired because of their subsequent performances as a coach. both were considered guys that should be fired.

the best gig davis could get was UAB and the best gig weber was going to get was charleston. whether zacker would or would not take money to go coach basketball in charleston is beside the point and in no way should factor into whether oscar is a top 40 coach or not.

Yet, I suspect that if K-State would have hired Mike Davis you would have been ecstatic Daris, you too cool for schoolers are so transparent it's not even fun anymore.

You need to relax a little, and just go look at that Big 12 Championship trophy oscar Weber put into our trophy case.   First time in 35 years that's happened.

[Cartierfor3]

Sounds like Dax is predicting a better run than the "slightly above mediocre" one Frank had by oscar! 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm pretty sure Daris used Mike Davis as an example of somebody who would be an awful hire by K-State. Who would be ecstatic about him?

[Dr Rick Daris]

Yet, I suspect that if K-State would have hired Mike Davis you would have been ecstatic Daris, you too cool for schoolers are so transparent it's not even fun anymore.

what in the world dax

[sonofdaxjones]

Sounds like Dax is predicting a better run than the "slightly above mediocre" one Frank had by oscar! 

Nope.

I'm just going to let things play out.  I do remember Frank putting K-State hoops into an exciting 2nd Round NIT game with San Diego State his second year as head coach. 

[sonofdaxjones]

It's only considered terrible in hindsight, come on fellas, this isn't my first rodeo with the too cool for schoolers.

[Cartierfor3]

Sounds like Dax is predicting a better run than the "slightly above mediocre" one Frank had by oscar! 

Nope.

I'm just going to let things play out.  I do remember Frank putting K-State hoops into an exciting 2nd Round NIT game with San Diego State his second year as head coach.

Way to play it safe there so you can't be wrong.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Sounds like Dax is predicting a better run than the "slightly above mediocre" one Frank had by oscar! 

Nope.

I'm just going to let things play out.  I do remember Frank putting K-State hoops into an exciting 2nd Round NIT game with San Diego State his second year as head coach.

that's great and all but it's so, so frustrating for the rest of us. you have to see that don't you? it's like an easy math problem and i'm sitting here and you are still carrying your 1's and 0's and i'm being as patient as i can but sooner or later i'm really hoping that you'll either-

A)finish the damn problem on your own and come up with the correct answer

or

B)believe me when i tell you the correct answer because i'm very good at math and already did it in my head

[Rage Against the McKee]

Did you know that Frank Martin used to teach math?

[sonofdaxjones]

Sounds like Dax is predicting a better run than the "slightly above mediocre" one Frank had by oscar! 

Nope.

I'm just going to let things play out.  I do remember Frank putting K-State hoops into an exciting 2nd Round NIT game with San Diego State his second year as head coach.

that's great and all but it's so, so frustrating for the rest of us. you have to see that don't you? it's like an easy math problem and i'm sitting here and you are still carrying your 1's and 0's and i'm being as patient as i can but sooner or later i'm really hoping that you'll either-

A)finish the damn problem on your own and come up with the correct answer

or

B)believe me when i tell you the correct answer because i'm very good at math and already did it in my head

Dumb and you're wasting your frustration.

Very few on the list you guys have a boner about are going to come and coach at K-State.   We got Bob Huggins because Bob Huggins didn't exactly have a lot of ducks on the pond, and he bolted the second his dream job came open.

The only Bob Huggins type scenario that exists out there is oscar Pearl who I was take in a second, but he's still got a show cause, albeit he should already be lawyer-ed up and suing the NCAA based on the Miami/Haith verdict IMO.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Sounds like Dax is predicting a better run than the "slightly above mediocre" one Frank had by oscar! 

Nope.

I'm just going to let things play out.  I do remember Frank putting K-State hoops into an exciting 2nd Round NIT game with San Diego State his second year as head coach.

that's great and all but it's so, so frustrating for the rest of us. you have to see that don't you? it's like an easy math problem and i'm sitting here and you are still carrying your 1's and 0's and i'm being as patient as i can but sooner or later i'm really hoping that you'll either-

A)finish the damn problem on your own and come up with the correct answer

or

B)believe me when i tell you the correct answer because i'm very good at math and already did it in my head

Dumb and you're wasting your frustration.

Very few on the list you guys have a boner about are going to come and coach at K-State.   We got Bob Huggins because Bob Huggins didn't exactly have a lot of ducks on the pond, and he bolted the second his dream job came open.

The only Bob Huggins type scenario that exists out there is oscar Pearl who I was take in a second, but he's still got a show cause, albeit he should already be lawyer-ed up and suing the NCAA based on the Miami/Haith verdict IMO.

fair enough. i'll get up from the table now and walk away. just shoot me a text when you are finished with 67+44 and are ready to move onto the next "problem" that needs solving.

[Belvis Noland]

I'm on team #playitout. 

oscar did better with Frank's players than Frank could do with his players. 

This year, well, we're a midmajor.  Tallest player is 6'6?

oscar is a pretty average coach in the BigXII.  xs and os may be above average, but he hasn't shown great results recruiting, thus far. 

 

[Dr Rick Daris]

I'm on team #playitout. 

oscar did better with Frank's players than Frank could do with his players. 

This year, well, we're a midmajor.  Tallest player is 6'6?

oscar is a pretty average coach in the BigXII.  xs and os may be above average, but he hasn't shown great results recruiting, thus far. 

 

ok then. be sure to get my number from dax and maybe the three of us can group text after you two scholars knock out this brainbuster and double check your answer in the back of the book. you're going to the game friday, i assume?

[catzacker]

I'm on team #playitout. 

oscar did better with Frank's players than Frank could do with his players. 

This year, well, we're a midmajor.  Tallest player is 6'6?

oscar is a pretty average coach in the BigXII.  xs and os may be above average, but he hasn't shown great results recruiting, thus far. 

If we’re going to be specific on what oscar did with Frank’s players, let also take into account the Big 12 that Frank coached in compared to the Big 12 that oscar coached in.  WVUx2 < MUx2,   TCU< NUx2,  Techx2 < CUx2,  A&M was good when Frank was here, hell, UT wasn’t the wreck it is now.