Spirited debate inspired by Dax.

[pvegs]

So, like, hope we get Clark. Seemed like he dug his visit and would be a decent fit.

[eastcat]

I can't decide if I want our ball team to be good, or downright horrible so oscar can move on.

So conflicted guys 

[Spracne]

Well well well, looks like we got a good ole' fashion in-which-multiple-of-ten-does-oscar-webber-fall-in-athon....

[catzacker]

I’ll just add some fuel to this.  Dax, reconcile your Briles > Snyder take with the there aren’t 40 coaches better than oscar Weber right now take.  Seems to be opposing views.

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL, it's a simple discussion.   Don't say, "I see 40 guys" and then not say who they are.

It's just pure hate just to hate to say Weber doesn't belong on a list of Top 40 or 50 coaches, based on the lists I've seen his overall resume blows some of the guys on those lists out of the water.   

Zacker, did you become a ku fan overnight?  Sounds exactly like the co-mingling of different sports to attempt (poorly) to make a point.

[steve dave]

dax just called zacker a squawk

[catzacker]

LOL, it's a simple discussion.   Don't say, "I see 40 guys" and then not say who they are.

It's just pure hate just to hate to say Weber doesn't belong on a list of Top 40 or 50 coaches, based on the lists I've seen his overall resume blows some of the guys on those lists out of the water.   

Zacker, did you become a ku fan overnight?  Sounds exactly like the co-mingling of different sports to attempt (poorly) to make a point.

They are actually similar scenarios.  Your argument for Briles > Snyder is that from this point forward he’s better, but if you base it on what they’ve done, Snyder > Briles (i.e. their resumes). 

but yeah, I'm a total ku fan.  so you got me, chief.

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL, it's a simple discussion.   Don't say, "I see 40 guys" and then not say who they are.

It's just pure hate just to hate to say Weber doesn't belong on a list of Top 40 or 50 coaches, based on the lists I've seen his overall resume blows some of the guys on those lists out of the water.   

Zacker, did you become a ku fan overnight?  Sounds exactly like the co-mingling of different sports to attempt (poorly) to make a point.

They are actually similar scenarios.  Your argument for Briles > Snyder is that from this point forward he’s better, but if you base it on what they’ve done, Snyder > Briles (i.e. their resumes). 

but yeah, I'm a total ku fan.  so you got me, chief.

So I based my Briles > Snyder on things that hadn't happened yet??  Fascinating, I'll have to back and look because I recall discussing head-to-head matchups, the state of Baylor's program prior to Briles taking over, the prolific nature of Briles offense (you know, actual statistical results) etc. etc.

[Dr Rick Daris]

LOL, it's a simple discussion.   Don't say, "I see 40 guys" and then not say who they are.

It's just pure hate just to hate to say Weber doesn't belong on a list of Top 40 or 50 coaches, based on the lists I've seen his overall resume blows some of the guys on those lists out of the water.   

Zacker, did you become a ku fan overnight?  Sounds exactly like the co-mingling of different sports to attempt (poorly) to make a point.

i mean i think the issue is that people have different definitions of top 40 coaches or whatever. for me, it would basically be a list of people that i would want to coach my team and not a list of best resumes without a name at the top. for dax it's different (at least when discussing basketball but not so much football).

His list is like when they list teams for consideration into the bball tournament and tell you their record and top 50 wins et al but don't tell you who the teams actually are. he doesn't care that oscar is towards the bottom of a free fall into nothing because he won a title fifteen years ago at siu just like those nameless bball resumes don't tell you that some team is in a crap conference and their best player broke his leg two weeks ago and another just got ruled inelegible because of grades.

[sonofdaxjones]

A free fall is going 27-9 and having the highest number of single season wins in K-State history and putting the first conference championship trophy in the trophy case in 35 years?

Frank doesn't do that.  In fact, Frank would have completely lost his mind with that team last year and Shane Southwell doesn't smile once the entire season while riding the bench because he farted or looked at Frank cross eyed in the middle of one of Frank's meltdowns.

[catzacker]

LOL, it's a simple discussion.   Don't say, "I see 40 guys" and then not say who they are.

It's just pure hate just to hate to say Weber doesn't belong on a list of Top 40 or 50 coaches, based on the lists I've seen his overall resume blows some of the guys on those lists out of the water.   

Zacker, did you become a ku fan overnight?  Sounds exactly like the co-mingling of different sports to attempt (poorly) to make a point.

They are actually similar scenarios.  Your argument for Briles > Snyder is that from this point forward he’s better, but if you base it on what they’ve done, Snyder > Briles (i.e. their resumes). 

but yeah, I'm a total ku fan.  so you got me, chief.

So I based my Briles > Snyder on things that hadn't happened yet??  Fascinating, I'll have to back and look because I recall discussing head-to-head matchups, the state of Baylor's program prior to Briles taking over, the prolific nature of Briles offense (you know, actual statistical results) etc. etc.

Yeah, i thought that's what your argument was because head to head matchups would mean Ron Prince > Mack Brown.  But that's actual results, bud.

I'm done responding to you; you're a child.

[Rage Against the McKee]

A free fall is going 27-9 and having the highest number of single season wins in K-State history and putting the first conference championship trophy in the trophy case in 35 years?

Frank doesn't do that.  In fact, Frank would have completely lost his mind with that team last year and Shane Southwell doesn't smile once the entire season while riding the bench because he farted or looked at Frank cross eyed in the middle of one of Frank's meltdowns.

Frank doesn't lose in the first round to a 12 seed whose tallest player is 6'4", either.

[sonofdaxjones]

A free fall is going 27-9 and having the highest number of single season wins in K-State history and putting the first conference championship trophy in the trophy case in 35 years?

Frank doesn't do that.  In fact, Frank would have completely lost his mind with that team last year and Shane Southwell doesn't smile once the entire season while riding the bench because he farted or looked at Frank cross eyed in the middle of one of Frank's meltdowns.

Frank doesn't lose in the first round to a 12 seed whose tallest player is 6'4", either.

Thing is, Frank would have been in the NIT.   That's one of the reasons Frank left, he looked at what he'd created and determined he needed to bail.   

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL, it's a simple discussion.   Don't say, "I see 40 guys" and then not say who they are.

It's just pure hate just to hate to say Weber doesn't belong on a list of Top 40 or 50 coaches, based on the lists I've seen his overall resume blows some of the guys on those lists out of the water.   

Zacker, did you become a ku fan overnight?  Sounds exactly like the co-mingling of different sports to attempt (poorly) to make a point.

They are actually similar scenarios.  Your argument for Briles > Snyder is that from this point forward he’s better, but if you base it on what they’ve done, Snyder > Briles (i.e. their resumes). 

but yeah, I'm a total ku fan.  so you got me, chief.

So I based my Briles > Snyder on things that hadn't happened yet??  Fascinating, I'll have to back and look because I recall discussing head-to-head matchups, the state of Baylor's program prior to Briles taking over, the prolific nature of Briles offense (you know, actual statistical results) etc. etc.

Yeah, i thought that's what your argument was because head to head matchups would mean Ron Prince > Mack Brown.  But that's actual results, bud.

I'm done responding to you; you're a child.

I used a whole host of criteria dumbass, including the head to head matchup.   When the closted tucks showed themselves (as usual) I then hammered home the head-to-head matchup.

Just because your original foray into this discussion was idiotic is no reason to get angry.

[Dr Rick Daris]

A free fall is going 27-9 and having the highest number of single season wins in K-State history and putting the first conference championship trophy in the trophy case in 35 years?

Frank doesn't do that.  In fact, Frank would have completely lost his mind with that team last year and Shane Southwell doesn't smile once the entire season while riding the bench because he farted or looked at Frank cross eyed in the middle of one of Frank's meltdowns.

so basically what i've already said. a nameless resume with only positive work skills/things highlighted. wake me up when you respond with something that i haven't informed you about your stance.

[CNS]

If frank thought he couldn't succeed at ksu, it was probably more due to currie, vaughn, and the bullshit that took place with curt and jake, then curt, then jamar as well as probably a bunch of other crap we fans never heard abt

[catzacker]

who the f cares about frank?  frank's recruiting suck(ed) after mcgruder's class.  and based on the rankings of the kids weber is bringing in, it looks like oscar's will too.  jfc, weber sucking on his own has nothing to do with frank.

[Rage Against the McKee]

A free fall is going 27-9 and having the highest number of single season wins in K-State history and putting the first conference championship trophy in the trophy case in 35 years?

Frank doesn't do that.  In fact, Frank would have completely lost his mind with that team last year and Shane Southwell doesn't smile once the entire season while riding the bench because he farted or looked at Frank cross eyed in the middle of one of Frank's meltdowns.

Frank doesn't lose in the first round to a 12 seed whose tallest player is 6'4", either.

Thing is, Frank would have been in the NIT.   That's one of the reasons Frank left, he looked at what he'd created and determined he needed to bail.

OK

[sonofdaxjones]

I'll take on the haters one at a time:

Zacker:  Frank is completely relevant to the conversation when the haters bring up the "other peoples players".   Frank wouldn't have taken that team to the NCAA tourney nor sniffed at a conference title.  Those guys were sick of Frank and his bullshit.

Daris:  Nearly a .700 winning percentage in 15 years as a head coach, over .500 in the NCAA tourney, only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play.   You have to look long and rough ridin' hard to find much negative in there, the negativity is purely subjective at that juncture.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Daris:  Nearly a .700 winning percentage in 15 years as a head coach, over .500 in the NCAA tourney, only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play.   You have to look long and rough ridin' hard to find much negative in there, the negativity is purely subjective at that juncture.

gosh darnit dax, no one (especially me) is arguing with your nameless oscar weber resume talking points so you can stop posting them. the argument (at least from me) is that they are simply that and nothing more.

[Rage Against the McKee]

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=8727.msg946477#msg946477

Nothing else really needs to be said. The writing is on the wall.

[sonofdaxjones]

Daris:  Nearly a .700 winning percentage in 15 years as a head coach, over .500 in the NCAA tourney, only one losing season overall, and only 2 losing seasons in conference play.   You have to look long and rough ridin' hard to find much negative in there, the negativity is purely subjective at that juncture.

gosh darnit dax, no one (especially me) is arguing with your nameless oscar weber resume talking points so you can stop posting them. the argument (at least from me) is that they are simply that and nothing more.

Then there's massive swaths of the so called "Top 40" coaches who have nothing more than nameless talking points on their resume.

[Skipper44]

Tubby Smith has an NC, 7 regular season conference titles and a 69% winning percentage, where would you put him in your list of coaches Dax?

[sonofdaxjones]

Looks like or worse than Frank's recruiting?  Interesting.

So, who in the last 4 years under Frank had an offer list comparable to Hurt?  Maybe Gipson I guess.

247 sports lists Hurt's offer list as:  K-State, Miami, Ole' Miss, Indiana, Arizona.

[sonofdaxjones]

Tubby Smith has an NC, 7 regular season conference titles and a 69% winning percentage, where would you put him in your list of coaches Dax?