This staff is f'ing awful

[Panjandrum]

I could listen to the argument that Cam Newton had one of the best seasons in cfb history but I can't award greatest CFB of all time to someone who only played one season.  I don't even think he's the best football player to come out of Auburn.

As long as you can see the flaw in saying that player with the greatest season can't be the greatest player because he left to be the #1 pick.

Also its worth noting that before JFF last year, Cam had the greatest statistical season in the history of college football.  I couldn't imagine the numbers Cam would have racked up if he played that A&M offense.

Gene Chizik has a ring.

That's how good Cam Newton was.

[j-dub]

mack brown has a ring. that's how good vince young was.

[Cartierfor3]

oscar Weber is a Big XII Champ. That's how good Rodney and Angel were.



I like this game!

[lopakman]

I could listen to the argument that Cam Newton had one of the best seasons in cfb history but I can't award greatest CFB of all time to someone who only played one season.  I don't even think he's the best football player to come out of Auburn.

As long as you can see the flaw in saying that player with the greatest season can't be the greatest player because he left to be the #1 pick.

Also its worth noting that before JFF last year, Cam had the greatest statistical season in the history of college football.  I couldn't imagine the numbers Cam would have racked up if he played that A&M offense.

I prefer to focus on what a player did do, as opposed to speculate on what they might have done.  There are players as talented as Cam Newton who did more for their school than Cam did for Auburn.  And to be clear I certainly don't fault him for leaving early.  Perhaps if he had stayed he would have ended up being the undisputed best college football player ever, or maybe he would've got hurt. 

Also Cam had the greatest statistical season for a quarterback.  Hard to compare Cam's statistics to say Deion Sanders 14 int's in 1998.

What did I speculate? Also of course I meant for a quarterback, thought that would go without saying. You've had two posts critical of my choice without offering one of your own.

You speculated that Cam Newton would have had an even better season statistically at A&M when you said

  I couldn't imagine the numbers Cam would have racked up if he played that A&M offense.

IMO Herschel Walker is the best player in cfb history, here's why.  No player meant more to their team in the time they were there than he did.  Georgia went 33-3 in the three years he was there including one national championship and three SEC championships.  In the three years before Herschel Walker Georgia went 20-13 and the three years after Herschel Walker left they went 24-8.  He was a three time all-american and finished in the top three in the Heisman all three years he was at Georgia. 

Of course this is debatable and arguments could be made for other players, but not Cam, and not because he wasn't great because he was.  Only because he wasn't there long enough to do enough to warrant including him in this discussion.  Again, imo.

[lopakman]

I could listen to the argument that Cam Newton had one of the best seasons in cfb history but I can't award greatest CFB of all time to someone who only played one season.  I don't even think he's the best football player to come out of Auburn.

As long as you can see the flaw in saying that player with the greatest season can't be the greatest player because he left to be the #1 pick.

Also its worth noting that before JFF last year, Cam had the greatest statistical season in the history of college football.  I couldn't imagine the numbers Cam would have racked up if he played that A&M offense.

Gene Chizik has a ring.

That's how good Cam Newton was.

A lot of shitty coaches have rings.

[Katpappy]

oscar Weber is a Big XII Champ. That's how good Rodney and Angel were.



I like this game!

Take it to the BB bored. 

[MakeItRain]

I could listen to the argument that Cam Newton had one of the best seasons in cfb history but I can't award greatest CFB of all time to someone who only played one season.  I don't even think he's the best football player to come out of Auburn.

As long as you can see the flaw in saying that player with the greatest season can't be the greatest player because he left to be the #1 pick.

Also its worth noting that before JFF last year, Cam had the greatest statistical season in the history of college football.  I couldn't imagine the numbers Cam would have racked up if he played that A&M offense.

I prefer to focus on what a player did do, as opposed to speculate on what they might have done.  There are players as talented as Cam Newton who did more for their school than Cam did for Auburn.  And to be clear I certainly don't fault him for leaving early.  Perhaps if he had stayed he would have ended up being the undisputed best college football player ever, or maybe he would've got hurt. 

Also Cam had the greatest statistical season for a quarterback.  Hard to compare Cam's statistics to say Deion Sanders 14 int's in 1998.

What did I speculate? Also of course I meant for a quarterback, thought that would go without saying. You've had two posts critical of my choice without offering one of your own.

You speculated that Cam Newton would have had an even better season statistically at A&M when you said

  I couldn't imagine the numbers Cam would have racked up if he played that A&M offense.

IMO Herschel Walker is the best player in cfb history, here's why.  No player meant more to their team in the time they were there than he did.  Georgia went 33-3 in the three years he was there including one national championship and three SEC championships.  In the three years before Herschel Walker Georgia went 20-13 and the three years after Herschel Walker left they went 24-8.  He was a three time all-american and finished in the top three in the Heisman all three years he was at Georgia. 

Of course this is debatable and arguments could be made for other players, but not Cam, and not because he wasn't great because he was.  Only because he wasn't there long enough to do enough to warrant including him in this discussion.  Again, imo.

Wondering how Cam would have done had nothing to do with my argument that he is the greatest player, its not like that was the best offense in the history of football, if I wanted to do that I would have used 80's Houston or today's Oregon. I said that to illustrate that JFF wouldn't have put up Cam's numbers is he had to run Auburn's offense.

Your first reason as to why Herschel Walker is the greatest player is hilarious simply because you minimized Cam. Are you aware what Auburn was before he was there and after he was gone?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Tommy Frazier is the best CFB player ever,so you're both wrong

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Also, great job by the staff yesterday.  If finau wasn't such a Dumbass, wvu doesn't even score a TD.

[lopakman]

I could listen to the argument that Cam Newton had one of the best seasons in cfb history but I can't award greatest CFB of all time to someone who only played one season.  I don't even think he's the best football player to come out of Auburn.

As long as you can see the flaw in saying that player with the greatest season can't be the greatest player because he left to be the #1 pick.

Also its worth noting that before JFF last year, Cam had the greatest statistical season in the history of college football.  I couldn't imagine the numbers Cam would have racked up if he played that A&M offense.

I prefer to focus on what a player did do, as opposed to speculate on what they might have done.  There are players as talented as Cam Newton who did more for their school than Cam did for Auburn.  And to be clear I certainly don't fault him for leaving early.  Perhaps if he had stayed he would have ended up being the undisputed best college football player ever, or maybe he would've got hurt. 

Also Cam had the greatest statistical season for a quarterback.  Hard to compare Cam's statistics to say Deion Sanders 14 int's in 1998.

What did I speculate? Also of course I meant for a quarterback, thought that would go without saying. You've had two posts critical of my choice without offering one of your own.

You speculated that Cam Newton would have had an even better season statistically at A&M when you said

  I couldn't imagine the numbers Cam would have racked up if he played that A&M offense.

IMO Herschel Walker is the best player in cfb history, here's why.  No player meant more to their team in the time they were there than he did.  Georgia went 33-3 in the three years he was there including one national championship and three SEC championships.  In the three years before Herschel Walker Georgia went 20-13 and the three years after Herschel Walker left they went 24-8.  He was a three time all-american and finished in the top three in the Heisman all three years he was at Georgia. 

Of course this is debatable and arguments could be made for other players, but not Cam, and not because he wasn't great because he was.  Only because he wasn't there long enough to do enough to warrant including him in this discussion.  Again, imo.

Wondering how Cam would have done had nothing to do with my argument that he is the greatest player, its not like that was the best offense in the history of football, if I wanted to do that I would have used 80's Houston or today's Oregon. I said that to illustrate that JFF wouldn't have put up Cam's numbers is he had to run Auburn's offense.

Your first reason as to why Herschel Walker is the greatest player is hilarious simply because you minimized Cam. Are you aware what Auburn was before he was there and after he was gone?

Wondering how Cam would have done had nothing to do with my argument that he is the greatest player

No it doesn't, but it confirms that you were speculating.

Your first reason as to why Herschel Walker is the greatest player is hilarious simply because you minimized Cam.

Why is this hilarious?  It's a fact that Herschel Walker was the reason behind Georgia's success.  Also I didn't minimize Cam, I maximized Herschel because he did it for more than one year.

I said that to illustrate that JFF wouldn't have put up Cam's numbers is he had to run Auburn's offense.

That's not what you implied at all.  You said that to illustrate that Cam could have done even better in A&M's offense

Are you aware what Auburn was before he was there and after he was gone?

Shitty and shitty.  Yep, Cam was great.  Probably a top five season among any cfb player ever.  I'm looking at the entire body of work, not just one season which is probably why you and I don't see eye to eye on this subject.  Go Cats.

[star seed 7]

Tommy Frazier is the best CFB player ever,so you're both wrong

this is my choice 

[kso_FAN]

Also, great job by the staff yesterday.  If finau wasn't such a Dumbass, wvu doesn't even score a TD.

Yes, our inability to keep contain on the quarterback was baffling at times. It was corrected in the 2nd half for the most part.

[kso_FAN]

Chris Sims basically called our staff 'tards all 2nd half.  Continually running Sams against 8 in the box, where we were outnumbered up front.  Seemed like he was right. 

Actually, I just rewatched this part.

He correctly counted 7 defenders in the box. Then he said "K-State has 5 lineman and a tightend so they don't have enough", but he is wrong. We also had a back, which gives us 7 to block their 7. Then he repeats it and says we were outnumbered, but the sole reason WVU blew up the play was because they defeated two blocks. WVU was just teeing off up front to stop the run, which eventually opened up the passing game.

My conclusion is that Sims is a moron and doesn't really understand the benefit of the "extra blocker" that the quarterback running game provides.

[MakeItRain]

Chris Sims basically called our staff 'tards all 2nd half.  Continually running Sams against 8 in the box, where we were outnumbered up front.  Seemed like he was right. 

Actually, I just rewatched this part.

He correctly counted 7 defenders in the box. Then he said "K-State has 5 lineman and a tightend so they don't have enough", but he is wrong. We also had a back, which gives us 7 to block their 7. Then he repeats it and says we were outnumbered, but the sole reason WVU blew up the play was because they defeated two blocks. WVU was just teeing off up front to stop the run, which eventually opened up the passing game.

My conclusion is that Sims is a moron and doesn't really understand the benefit of the "extra blocker" that the quarterback running game provides.

Is my point that we are showing a lack of creativity and variety with the qb run game valid? I also feel like its time to get them on the field at the same time and get #life the ball in space.

[kso_FAN]

Is my point that we are showing a lack of creativity and variety with the qb run game valid? I also feel like its time to get them on the field at the same time and get #life the ball in space.

Yes, I think there is more we can do in the QB run game and definitely agree on both on the field with #life getting the ball in space.

Chris Sims' point about numbers in the running game is still stupid though because he doesn't know how to count.

[Cartierfor3]

Chris Sims basically called our staff 'tards all 2nd half.  Continually running Sams against 8 in the box, where we were outnumbered up front.  Seemed like he was right. 

Actually, I just rewatched this part.

He correctly counted 7 defenders in the box. Then he said "K-State has 5 lineman and a tightend so they don't have enough", but he is wrong. We also had a back, which gives us 7 to block their 7. Then he repeats it and says we were outnumbered, but the sole reason WVU blew up the play was because they defeated two blocks. WVU was just teeing off up front to stop the run, which eventually opened up the passing game.

My conclusion is that Sims is a moron and doesn't really understand the benefit of the "extra blocker" that the quarterback running game provides.

So back in the day, when I was a badass member of the POWL, I always was front row right at the 50 behind the opposing teams bench (this was before Obama moved the band to the 25 or whatever). I always always always made it my goal to get under the skin of either the quarterback, or a star player on the opposing team. My 2 most successful hecklings were Chris Sims in 2002 and Jeremy Bloom in 2003. Sims I just kept yelling "Major was better, you're not half the player Major was, your father is awful at TV, etc etc." He was looking at me constantly, making eye contact, just nodding and stuff. I really felt like I helped the team that day. I was not just cheering on the cats, but distracting the starting quarterback whenever we were on offense. Then he threw that long pass setting up the go ahead field goal. He looked right at me when he walked off the field after that.

Point of the story:
1. I'm awesome
2. Sims is a tool
3. If I wasn't so awesome we probably lose like 27-14 instead of 17-14 that day. Guys it wasn't our day.

[kso_FAN]

As I've watched the replay on Fox Sports a few points about the quarterback run game issues.

Defensive fronts in college football always have gap responsibilities, but there are different ways you can play technique. Many defensive fronts are "readers" meaning their goal isn't necessarily to just get penetration into their gap, but they are taught to strike the offensive lineman/blocker, read the block, and then fight against it. Other styles are just taught to penetrate their gap. Or another variation is to have the defensive front slant from the gap they usually would be responsible for to a gap adjacent, and this usually ends up with a front getting more penetration.

In any case, it looked to me like WVU's defensive strategy against our running game was to penetrate gaps much more than it was to read blocks. This worked really well against the quarterback run game we used well against Baylor which was delay/counter quarterback runs. Sams usually didn't run to the same side that Gronk lined up on, but rather he would wait, let Gronk lead block opposite and often we also pulled a backside uncovered offensive lineman for a power look. The problem against a penetrating defense is that these delay/counter/power runs take a while to develop and when defenses get penetration they are able to defeat these plays, essentially stopping Sams before he could get started.

When teams do this you have to have more quick hitting runs, and this is in part while Hubert was successful because we usually ran some sort of lead where he was coming down hill and all the offensive line has to do is seal the penetrating defensive line which allows Hubert to get to the 2nd level of the defense. Granted, a couple times WVU got penetration, but Hubert made the first guy miss and was able to pick up yardage.

There are schemes that we can use in the quarterback running game, namely quicker leads, that we will likely put in for later opponents. It just didn't look like we were quite prepared for WVU to play this style, or we thought we could block their penetrating dfront anyway and we were wrong.

Of course eventually we figured out that we could find the gaps in WVU's cover 2 secondary and we did.

[TheHamburglar]

Is my point that we are showing a lack of creativity and variety with the qb run game valid? I also feel like its time to get them on the field at the same time and get #life the ball in space.

Yes, I think there is more we can do in the QB run game and definitely agree on both on the field with #life getting the ball in space.

Chris Sims' point about numbers in the running game is still stupid though because he doesn't know how to count.

I would have heard what Simms was saying if I wasn't too busy trying to figure out how someone who sounds like a young Lou Holtz got a TV commentary gig.

[TheHamburglar]

Tommy Frazier is the best CFB player ever,so you're both wrong

this is my choice 

This was the first name to pop in my head, but Barry Sanders Popped in very shortly after. I can't decide.  I lean towards Barry.

[star seed 7]

Tommy Frazier is the best CFB player ever,so you're both wrong

this is my choice 

This was the first name to pop in my head, but Barry Sanders Popped in very shortly after. I can't decide.  I lean towards Barry.

was too young when he was in college.

[Trim]

Is my point that we are showing a lack of creativity and variety with the qb run game valid? I also feel like its time to get them on the field at the same time and get #life the ball in space.

Yes, I think there is more we can do in the QB run game and definitely agree on both on the field with #life getting the ball in space.

Chris Sims' point about numbers in the running game is still stupid though because he doesn't know how to count.

I didn't know it was Simms at the time.

https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/394221429329125376

[kso_FAN]

Is my point that we are showing a lack of creativity and variety with the qb run game valid? I also feel like its time to get them on the field at the same time and get #life the ball in space.

Yes, I think there is more we can do in the QB run game and definitely agree on both on the field with #life getting the ball in space.

Chris Sims' point about numbers in the running game is still stupid though because he doesn't know how to count.

I didn't know it was Simms at the time.

https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/394221429329125376

We don't call you HFBIQ Trim for nothing.

[j-dub]

guys. barry had over 2600 yds rushing (over 3200 yds total) and 39 td's in 11 games. he had FOUR 300 yd rushing games. he had NINE 3 td games

in the holiday bowl which was not then included in season stats, he had 260 yds and 5 td's. in 3 quarters. he sat the 4th.

best ever.

[MakeItRain]

guys. barry had over 2600 yds rushing (over 3200 yds total) and 39 td's in 11 games. he had FOUR 300 yd rushing games. he had NINE 3 td games

in the holiday bowl which was not then included in season stats, he had 260 yds and 5 td's. in 3 quarters. he sat the 4th.

best ever.

He's third on my list behind Cam and Darren.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Chris Sims basically called our staff 'tards all 2nd half.  Continually running Sams against 8 in the box, where we were outnumbered up front.  Seemed like he was right. 

Actually, I just rewatched this part.

He correctly counted 7 defenders in the box. Then he said "K-State has 5 lineman and a tightend so they don't have enough", but he is wrong. We also had a back, which gives us 7 to block their 7. Then he repeats it and says we were outnumbered, but the sole reason WVU blew up the play was because they defeated two blocks. WVU was just teeing off up front to stop the run, which eventually opened up the passing game.

My conclusion is that Sims is a moron and doesn't really understand the benefit of the "extra blocker" that the quarterback running game provides.

When the back is Gronkowski, there really isn't any benefit to having that extra blocker.