Not about the Quarterback play.

[ednksu]

If Water is the superior QB why do we need to keep Sams behind him.  Why not a position change for him to change the dynamic of the composition of players on the field. Has Hubert shown he is a capable of a running back as Sams is?

He just doesn't seem like the running back type to me

I would certainly agree to that.  I would also say that he does look like more of a QB than a RB.  But I would say he is too dynamic to be off the field and he seems more valuable running the ball right now than your number 1 RB because of his sheer speed and elusiveness.

My god, he would get killed as a running back. Tremaine Thompson is speedy and elusive, do you want to try him out at running back too?

Well the inherent problem with your attack is that TT is a good option at WR and doesn't have the skill set that you tried to shoe horn my suggestion into.  Also the fallacy is that you believe I'd put Sams into the mold of what we've been trying to do with Hubert at RB, which I've already suggested we don't do.  But I guess you believe Sams best spot now is warming the bench holding a clipboard?

[Cartierfor3]

Its ok to have 2 capable players at the same position.

[Rage Against the McKee]

If Water is the superior QB why do we need to keep Sams behind him.  Why not a position change for him to change the dynamic of the composition of players on the field. Has Hubert shown he is a capable of a running back as Sams is?

He just doesn't seem like the running back type to me

I would certainly agree to that.  I would also say that he does look like more of a QB than a RB.  But I would say he is too dynamic to be off the field and he seems more valuable running the ball right now than your number 1 RB because of his sheer speed and elusiveness.

My god, he would get killed as a running back. Tremaine Thompson is speedy and elusive, do you want to try him out at running back too?

Well the inherent problem with your attack is that TT is a good option at WR and doesn't have the skill set that you tried to shoe horn my suggestion into.  Also the fallacy is that you believe I'd put Sams into the mold of what we've been trying to do with Hubert at RB, which I've already suggested we don't do.  But I guess you believe Sams best spot now is warming the bench holding a clipboard?

I think most rational people think Sams' best spot right now is on the field taking snaps.

[ednksu]

Its ok to have 2 capable players at the same position.

who said otherwise?

[MakeItRain]

If Water is the superior QB why do we need to keep Sams behind him.  Why not a position change for him to change the dynamic of the composition of players on the field. Has Hubert shown he is a capable of a running back as Sams is?

He just doesn't seem like the running back type to me

I would certainly agree to that.  I would also say that he does look like more of a QB than a RB.  But I would say he is too dynamic to be off the field and he seems more valuable running the ball right now than your number 1 RB because of his sheer speed and elusiveness.

My god, he would get killed as a running back. Tremaine Thompson is speedy and elusive, do you want to try him out at running back too?

Well the inherent problem with your attack is that TT is a good option at WR and doesn't have the skill set that you tried to shoe horn my suggestion into.  Also the fallacy is that you believe I'd put Sams into the mold of what we've been trying to do with Hubert at RB, which I've already suggested we don't do.  But I guess you believe Sams best spot now is warming the bench holding a clipboard?

Running as a QB is significantly different than running as a RB. I'm guessing you'd rather have him as a slot back running jet sweeps and catching screens. I also think this isn't a good idea. He's a quarterback.

[ednksu]

If Water is the superior QB why do we need to keep Sams behind him.  Why not a position change for him to change the dynamic of the composition of players on the field. Has Hubert shown he is a capable of a running back as Sams is?

He just doesn't seem like the running back type to me

I would certainly agree to that.  I would also say that he does look like more of a QB than a RB.  But I would say he is too dynamic to be off the field and he seems more valuable running the ball right now than your number 1 RB because of his sheer speed and elusiveness.

My god, he would get killed as a running back. Tremaine Thompson is speedy and elusive, do you want to try him out at running back too?

Well the inherent problem with your attack is that TT is a good option at WR and doesn't have the skill set that you tried to shoe horn my suggestion into.  Also the fallacy is that you believe I'd put Sams into the mold of what we've been trying to do with Hubert at RB, which I've already suggested we don't do.  But I guess you believe Sams best spot now is warming the bench holding a clipboard?

I think most rational people think Sams' best spot right now is on the field taking snaps.

So are you happy with our run game?

Would you agree with me that we need to use more quick passing to our best player, who I believe to be Lockett?

[Rage Against the McKee]

If Water is the superior QB why do we need to keep Sams behind him.  Why not a position change for him to change the dynamic of the composition of players on the field. Has Hubert shown he is a capable of a running back as Sams is?

He just doesn't seem like the running back type to me

I would certainly agree to that.  I would also say that he does look like more of a QB than a RB.  But I would say he is too dynamic to be off the field and he seems more valuable running the ball right now than your number 1 RB because of his sheer speed and elusiveness.

My god, he would get killed as a running back. Tremaine Thompson is speedy and elusive, do you want to try him out at running back too?

Well the inherent problem with your attack is that TT is a good option at WR and doesn't have the skill set that you tried to shoe horn my suggestion into.  Also the fallacy is that you believe I'd put Sams into the mold of what we've been trying to do with Hubert at RB, which I've already suggested we don't do.  But I guess you believe Sams best spot now is warming the bench holding a clipboard?

I think most rational people think Sams' best spot right now is on the field taking snaps.

So are you happy with our run game?

Would you agree with me that we need to use more quick passing to our best player, who I believe to be Lockett?

I think we need to run power sets and run a lot of read option. This would open holes for Hubert because the defense would be keying on Sams, and whenever Sams makes the right read and keeps, it should be a big play. We should go vertical in the passing game because over the top will be wide open because there will be 8 in the box.

[PowercatPat]

I wish we could put Waters' arm on Sam's body.

Would you like to elaborate?

[Trim]

I just feel bad that we convinced Waters to come here when he could have gone to Texas or Penn State and actually fit into a good system for him.

I think both K-State and Waters win their opening games if he'd gone elsewhere.

[Skipper44]

I think we need to run power sets and run a lot of read option. This would open holes for Hubert because the defense would be keying on Sams, and whenever Sams makes the right read and keeps, it should be a big play. We should go vertical in the passing game because over the top will be wide open because there will be 8 in the box.

Some version of this is the offense that that Bishop, Beasley, Ell and CK ran to bring us the DoD and I am perplexed why this coaching staff has moved away from it. 

I realize some may prefer a prostyle QB (although I can't imagine why cat fans that witnessed the above QBs would) but a real dual threat QB is what the personnel on this team requires to be succesfull.   

[GCJayhawker]

You probably should adjust your system to your QB to some level, not just try to fit a QB into the pre existing system. Why recruit Waters if you just want to make him a option running QB? The guy can throw the ball very well and the offense should work with that.

[lopakman]

You probably should adjust your system to your QB to some level, not just try to fit a QB into the pre existing system. Why recruit Waters if you just want to make him a option running QB? The guy can throw the ball very well and the offense should work with that.

GC,

Please answer the following questions and if any of the answers are no, then shut the eff up.

1.  Have you won two big 12 titles?
2.  Do you have rough ridin' castle named after you and your family?
3.  Do you have your own statue?

[Rage Against the McKee]

You probably should adjust your system to your QB to some level, not just try to fit a QB into the pre existing system. Why recruit Waters if you just want to make him a option running QB? The guy can throw the ball very well and the offense should work with that.

Well, we have 10 other players who were very good with the old system and a QB on the bench who is more than capable of running it. The pass blocking Friday night was awful. Hubert was awful. This new system built around Waters just isn't working for the rest of the personnel.

[GCJayhawker]

You probably should adjust your system to your QB to some level, not just try to fit a QB into the pre existing system. Why recruit Waters if you just want to make him a option running QB? The guy can throw the ball very well and the offense should work with that.

Well, we have 10 other players who were very good with the old system and a QB on the bench who is more than capable of running it. The pass blocking Friday night was awful. Hubert was awful. This new system built around Waters just isn't working for the rest of the personnel.

I definitely think the QB was good enough to win the game. The fact is the defense needed ot make a stand on that last NDSU drive and didn't. That's why the Cats lost

[GCJayhawker]

You probably should adjust your system to your QB to some level, not just try to fit a QB into the pre existing system. Why recruit Waters if you just want to make him a option running QB? The guy can throw the ball very well and the offense should work with that.

GC,

Please answer the following questions and if any of the answers are no, then shut the eff up.

1.  Have you won two big 12 titles?
2.  Do you have rough ridin' castle named after you and your family?
3.  Do you have your own statue?

I guess all these threads shouldn't exist because last time I checked no one posting here was named LHC Bill Snyder.

[lopakman]

You probably should adjust your system to your QB to some level, not just try to fit a QB into the pre existing system. Why recruit Waters if you just want to make him a option running QB? The guy can throw the ball very well and the offense should work with that.

GC,

Please answer the following questions and if any of the answers are no, then shut the eff up.

1.  Have you won two big 12 titles?
2.  Do you have rough ridin' castle named after you and your family?
3.  Do you have your own statue?

I guess all these threads shouldn't exist because last time I checked no one posting here was named LHC Bill Snyder.

I wish you didn't exist.

[Rage Against the McKee]

You probably should adjust your system to your QB to some level, not just try to fit a QB into the pre existing system. Why recruit Waters if you just want to make him a option running QB? The guy can throw the ball very well and the offense should work with that.

Well, we have 10 other players who were very good with the old system and a QB on the bench who is more than capable of running it. The pass blocking Friday night was awful. Hubert was awful. This new system built around Waters just isn't working for the rest of the personnel.

I definitely think the QB was good enough to win the game. The fact is the defense needed ot make a stand on that last NDSU drive and didn't. That's why the Cats lost

The team took a 21-7 lead and let NDSU score 17 unanswered points. Offense and defense deserve equal blame for that disaster. The thing is, the defensive personnel is awful and will be no matter what is done. The offense should be very good and if they can't score on an FCS opponent, then something needs to change.

[sonofdaxjones]

The OL was atrocious, and we apparently don't have any RB's that can do anything unless they're given gaping holes to run through. 

Once again, it appears we have an offensive coaching staff who really don't know what they want their offense to be.

Plus IF we took our foot off the gas, I am going to ask why?   What in the hell does Snyder think he's hiding that no decent coaching staff, with any level of decent pre/historical scouting isn't going to already be fully aware of . . . we're a complete cluster f_ck when we try to put in any new wrinkles anyway, so most opposing teams should welcome the paralysis by analysis over-thinking train wreck we put together outside of our bread and butter.

[KanSt43]

I haven't read this thread, so forgive me if I'm being repetitive...

Waters played decent. Made some good throws and some poor ones. But guys, we're literally going to have ZERO running game if Sams isn't the QB. The last 2 years, Klein opened things up for Hubert/Pease. Teams HAD to respect him. With Waters, you don't really get that threat (I know he can run, but he isn't comfortable, as you can tell...) And Hubert isn't the type of back that's elite enough to get it done himself. The QB run game is ESSENTIAL for our overall running game. Otherwise, Waters is just gonna sit back there and sling it 35+ times a game. And I'm not saying Waters isn't a capable thrower with decent footwork and speed. But for this offense, I think Daniel would be more successful. Granted, the o-line played awful, but I feel like Sams elusiveness/speed/escape-ability would benefit the o-line's struggles tremendously.

My 2 cents...

[CNS]

I haven't read this thread, so forgive me if I'm being repetitive...

Waters played decent. Made some good throws and some poor ones. But guys, we're literally going to have ZERO running game if Sams isn't the QB. The last 2 years, Klein opened things up for Hubert/Pease. Teams HAD to respect him. With Waters, you don't really get that threat (I know he can run, but he isn't comfortable, as you can tell...) And Hubert isn't the type of back that's elite enough to get it done himself. The QB run game is ESSENTIAL for our overall running game. Otherwise, Waters is just gonna sit back there and sling it 35+ times a game. And I'm not saying Waters isn't a capable thrower with decent footwork and speed. But for this offense, I think Daniel would be more successful. Granted, the o-line played awful, but I feel like Sams elusiveness/speed/escape-ability would benefit the o-line's struggles tremendously.

My 2 cents...

Do you mean like in the sense that all of us with two functional legs can run? 

[KanSt43]

I haven't read this thread, so forgive me if I'm being repetitive...

Waters played decent. Made some good throws and some poor ones. But guys, we're literally going to have ZERO running game if Sams isn't the QB. The last 2 years, Klein opened things up for Hubert/Pease. Teams HAD to respect him. With Waters, you don't really get that threat (I know he can run, but he isn't comfortable, as you can tell...) And Hubert isn't the type of back that's elite enough to get it done himself. The QB run game is ESSENTIAL for our overall running game. Otherwise, Waters is just gonna sit back there and sling it 35+ times a game. And I'm not saying Waters isn't a capable thrower with decent footwork and speed. But for this offense, I think Daniel would be more successful. Granted, the o-line played awful, but I feel like Sams elusiveness/speed/escape-ability would benefit the o-line's struggles tremendously.

My 2 cents...

Do you mean like in the sense that all of us with two functional legs can run?

Nailed it.

[Skipper44]

People need to remember this was a good, maybe great FCS defense but is still a FCS defense and possibly the least athletic defense we will face.  If Waters couldn't execute a QB draw against NDSU, who is he going to out run in the Big 12? 

Also, I love TLBL and TT but they are both undersized and TT does not have the kind of speed that makes Big 12 DBs give him a big cushion.  The decent to good Ds we will play in conference won't put more than 7 in the box and keep a safety deep that will take away the 2 good throws Waters had. 

[one time gella]

Last year during the Baylor game, it was brought to light that one of our O-linemen was changing his stance between running and passing plays.  Since we have basically the same O-line, did anyone notice if he was doing this again this year?

[Emo EMAW]

Has anyone mentioned that Britz got hurt?  Not only does the DL suck but my belly button is deeper (and I have an outie).

[Mr_BONES]

Last year during the Baylor game, it was brought to light that one of our O-linemen was changing his stance between running and passing plays.  Since we have basically the same O-line, did anyone notice if he was doing this again this year?

Supposedly it was coached out of him.