Not about the Quarterback play.

[kim carnes]

Mueller tho.  Really the star turd

Credit where credit is due. Mueller was the only one who looked like he should be on a d-1 roster. If he was a change of pace sub guy, I would love him.

yes, which is what he was last year and now he is our best d-lineman.

[Ira Hayes]

I thought Waters was exactly what was advertised.

well, a lot of people were advertising him as "a better runner than you think" which was not as advertised because he was worse than I thought. though I guess that's pretty subjective. He'd be great under Mike Leach. He's not so great under LHC Bill Snyder.

Well we're used to Collin, Freeman, Ell, and Bishop. He's not going to break a tackle, but he's not extremely slow. He is a Chad May/Paul Watson QB.

I have no idea who paul watson is but chad may was not a "better runner than I think". he was equally as poor a runner as all other exclusively pocket passing slow QBs.

Ever heard of Carl Straw? I'm seriously questioning your KSU fan status. Fatty would be disappointed.

[DOD Take 2]

 :shocked:

Mueller tho.  Really the star turd

Credit where credit is due. Mueller was the only one who looked like he should be on a d-1 roster. If he was a change of pace sub guy, I would love him.

yes, which is what he was last year and now he is our best d-lineman.

I think our d-line and linebackers suck, but about 100 of the 215 that NDSU ran for came on 2 plays. The run at the end of half and the 70 yard run from the 3. Against FCS, 115 is too much to give up anyway. I think they really sucked in the passing game, no pressure and no ability to make a play in space.

[steve dave]

I thought Waters was exactly what was advertised.

well, a lot of people were advertising him as "a better runner than you think" which was not as advertised because he was worse than I thought. though I guess that's pretty subjective. He'd be great under Mike Leach. He's not so great under LHC Bill Snyder.

Well we're used to Collin, Freeman, Ell, and Bishop. He's not going to break a tackle, but he's not extremely slow. He is a Chad May/Paul Watson QB.

I have no idea who paul watson is but chad may was not a "better runner than I think". he was equally as poor a runner as all other exclusively pocket passing slow QBs.

Ever heard of Carl Straw? I'm seriously questioning your KSU fan status. Fatty would be disappointed.

No. And don't try to tell me what fatty would think you dumbass.

[Ira Hayes]

I thought Waters was exactly what was advertised.

well, a lot of people were advertising him as "a better runner than you think" which was not as advertised because he was worse than I thought. though I guess that's pretty subjective. He'd be great under Mike Leach. He's not so great under LHC Bill Snyder.

Well we're used to Collin, Freeman, Ell, and Bishop. He's not going to break a tackle, but he's not extremely slow. He is a Chad May/Paul Watson QB.

I have no idea who paul watson is but chad may was not a "better runner than I think". he was equally as poor a runner as all other exclusively pocket passing slow QBs.

Ever heard of Carl Straw? I'm seriously questioning your KSU fan status. Fatty would be disappointed.

No. And don't try to tell me what fatty would think you dumbass.

fatty is sad.

[Dr Rick Daris]

watson was an ok runner. prob about the same as waters. may, much worse.

[eastcat]

he seemed to throw alot of passes low, maybe some of them were intentional. 
he missed an easy outlet pass to Hubert.
he doesn't have a real live arm.
he threw 2 picks.
is he any better of a thrower than a guy like seth doege?  i'm not so sure, and i wouldn't want seth doege as my starting QB.

He averaged 9.7 yards an attempt behind an offensive line that couldn't stop a 4 man rush to save their life. If you think waters sucked last night you should pick another sport to follow because you clearly know nothing about this one.

Coaching and O-Line lost the game.

[kim carnes]

he seemed to throw alot of passes low, maybe some of them were intentional. 
he missed an easy outlet pass to Hubert.
he doesn't have a real live arm.
he threw 2 picks.
is he any better of a thrower than a guy like seth doege?  i'm not so sure, and i wouldn't want seth doege as my starting QB.

He averaged 9.7 yards an attempt behind an offensive line that couldn't stop a 4 man rush to save their life. If you think waters sucked last night you should pick another sport to follow because you clearly know nothing about this one.

Coaching and O-Line lost the game.

ok, wise guy, how do you intend to win games with waters if our o-line sucks? 

[Rage Against the McKee]

he seemed to throw alot of passes low, maybe some of them were intentional. 
he missed an easy outlet pass to Hubert.
he doesn't have a real live arm.
he threw 2 picks.
is he any better of a thrower than a guy like seth doege?  i'm not so sure, and i wouldn't want seth doege as my starting QB.

He averaged 9.7 yards an attempt behind an offensive line that couldn't stop a 4 man rush to save their life. If you think waters sucked last night you should pick another sport to follow because you clearly know nothing about this one.

Coaching and O-Line lost the game.

We couldn't convert a 3rd down to save our life, though. Maybe it was just nerves. I don't know. I do know that Waters just wasn't good enough last night.

[DOD Take 2]

he seemed to throw alot of passes low, maybe some of them were intentional. 
he missed an easy outlet pass to Hubert.
he doesn't have a real live arm.
he threw 2 picks.
is he any better of a thrower than a guy like seth doege?  i'm not so sure, and i wouldn't want seth doege as my starting QB.

He averaged 9.7 yards an attempt behind an offensive line that couldn't stop a 4 man rush to save their life. If you think waters sucked last night you should pick another sport to follow because you clearly know nothing about this one.

Coaching and O-Line lost the game.

ok, wise guy, how do you intend to win games with waters if our o-line sucks?

I thought pass protection against 4 & 5 man rushes was acceptable last night.   
It looked like Waters left the pocket before he had to sometimes. Not great pocket presence.

[felix rex]

Yards per attempt tho  

[Skipper44]

 I  believe  the  team converted  only 1 (one)  third down  with  Waters

[MakeItRain]

I thought Waters was exactly what was advertised.

well, a lot of people were advertising him as "a better runner than you think" which was not as advertised because he was worse than I thought. though I guess that's pretty subjective. He'd be great under Mike Leach. He's not so great under LHC Bill Snyder.

Well we're used to Collin, Freeman, Ell, and Bishop. He's not going to break a tackle, but he's not extremely slow. He is a Chad May/Paul Watson QB.

I have no idea who paul watson is but chad may was not a "better runner than I think". he was equally as poor a runner as all other exclusively pocket passing slow QBs.

Ever heard of Carl Straw? I'm seriously questioning your KSU fan status. Fatty would be disappointed.

No. And don't try to tell me what fatty would think you dumbass.

fatty is sad.

Who the eff are you?

[MakeItRain]

He'd be great under Mike Leach. He's not so great under LHC Bill Snyder.

all along i was scared that waters would start and we would call plays as if klein were still back there. and that's what happened. i think waters could be a pretty good qb in a spread system. if they're going to run the same ol stuff (which is fine), rough ridin' play sams.

yes. this is exactly what I'm saying.

 

[Ira Hayes]

I thought Waters was exactly what was advertised.

well, a lot of people were advertising him as "a better runner than you think" which was not as advertised because he was worse than I thought. though I guess that's pretty subjective. He'd be great under Mike Leach. He's not so great under LHC Bill Snyder.

Well we're used to Collin, Freeman, Ell, and Bishop. He's not going to break a tackle, but he's not extremely slow. He is a Chad May/Paul Watson QB.

I have no idea who paul watson is but chad may was not a "better runner than I think". he was equally as poor a runner as all other exclusively pocket passing slow QBs.

Ever heard of Carl Straw? I'm seriously questioning your KSU fan status. Fatty would be disappointed.

No. And don't try to tell me what fatty would think you dumbass.

fatty is sad.

Who the eff are you?

I am just another somebody that you've never heard of.   

[PowercatPat]

I wish we could put Waters' arm on Sam's body.

[Rams]

I wish we could put Waters' arm on Sam's body.

[DOD Take 2]

Anyone else watch OSU have little to no success with the awesome passer, only to put in the dynamic QB and start driving the ball on MSU? Now in control of the game and going to win. Snyder might want to take notice of how the running QB opened up the offense. And even though Walsh can't throw as well as Chelf, the defense is respecting the run and the passing game has improved.

[ednksu]

If Water is the superior QB why do we need to keep Sams behind him.  Why not a position change for him to change the dynamic of the composition of players on the field. Has Hubert shown he is a capable of a running back as Sams is?

[Lucas Scoopsalot]

If Water is the superior QB why do we need to keep Sams behind him.  Why not a position change for him to change the dynamic of the composition of players on the field. Has Hubert shown he is a capable of a running back as Sams is?

He just doesn't seem like the running back type to me

[ednksu]

If Water is the superior QB why do we need to keep Sams behind him.  Why not a position change for him to change the dynamic of the composition of players on the field. Has Hubert shown he is a capable of a running back as Sams is?

He just doesn't seem like the running back type to me

I would certainly agree to that.  I would also say that he does look like more of a QB than a RB.  But I would say he is too dynamic to be off the field and he seems more valuable running the ball right now than your number 1 RB because of his sheer speed and elusiveness.

[MakeItRain]

If Water is the superior QB why do we need to keep Sams behind him.  Why not a position change for him to change the dynamic of the composition of players on the field. Has Hubert shown he is a capable of a running back as Sams is?

WOAH!

If this post came from almost anyone other than you I would have taken it as facetious.

[MakeItRain]

If Water is the superior QB why do we need to keep Sams behind him.  Why not a position change for him to change the dynamic of the composition of players on the field. Has Hubert shown he is a capable of a running back as Sams is?

He just doesn't seem like the running back type to me

I would certainly agree to that.  I would also say that he does look like more of a QB than a RB.  But I would say he is too dynamic to be off the field and he seems more valuable running the ball right now than your number 1 RB because of his sheer speed and elusiveness.

My god, he would get killed as a running back. Tremaine Thompson is speedy and elusive, do you want to try him out at running back too?

[kim carnes]

If Water is the superior QB why do we need to keep Sams behind him.  Why not a position change for him to change the dynamic of the composition of players on the field. Has Hubert shown he is a capable of a running back as Sams is?

He just doesn't seem like the running back type to me

I would certainly agree to that.  I would also say that he does look like more of a QB than a RB.  But I would say he is too dynamic to be off the field and he seems more valuable running the ball right now than your number 1 RB because of his sheer speed and elusiveness.

wtf

[yoga-like_abana]

:dnr: this thread but the oline was not good.. up the middle on d not good and hubert is a terrible back