Time to raise the minimum wage again...

[husserl]

Man, federal programs don't pay crap. Why does Obama hate poor kids?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Min wage at that level would obliterate fast food.

Two birds with one stone? Ideally, everyone except for the ruling caste should be receiving their free rations from the government anyway.

[CNS]

Min wage at that level would obliterate fast food.

Two birds with one stone? Ideally, everyone except for the ruling caste should be receiving their free rations from the government anyway.

I know your joking in a Pit kind of way, but, yes, making something that contributes to the coming health care crisis less available could be a good thing.

Also, free market will find a way.  Something will fill it's place.   Could be the return of ppl actually making their own food and controlling how much they make and what they use to make it though.

Don't get me wrong, the min wage idea is a bad one.  I am just intrigued with what change(not welfare related) that it might kick off.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.

This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.

Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.

[michigancat]

Min wage at that level would obliterate fast food.

Two birds with one stone? Ideally, everyone except for the ruling caste should be receiving their free rations from the government anyway.

fast food is already the working class rations (as basically nothing is cheaper). the ruling caste sure doesn't need to go there.

[ben ji]

I can't think of a single adverse consequence associated with a 16 year old high schooler making $15 an hour sorting books at the public library or blowing the whistle at people running buy the pool, let alone flipping burgers at the poors restaurant of choice McDs.

 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.

This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.

Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.

You don't need to work to make that much.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.

This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.

Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.

You don't need to work to make that much.

You have to have a lot of kids, though, and that would suck.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.

This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.

Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.

You don't need to work to make that much.

You have to have a lot of kids, though, and that would suck.

That doesn't seem to be an issue for migrant workers.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.

This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.

Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.

You don't need to work to make that much.

You have to have a lot of kids, though, and that would suck.

That doesn't seem to be an issue for migrant workers.

Well, they come and work their asses off, so I guess that blows your theory about people not working because the government pays them not to right out of the water.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.

This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.

Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.

You don't need to work to make that much.

You have to have a lot of kids, though, and that would suck.

That doesn't seem to be an issue for migrant workers.

Well, they come and work their asses off, so I guess that blows your theory about people not working because the government pays them not to right out of the water.

That's old school. Things have changed in the last few years.

[sys]

interesting topic, Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thread.

i'm glad i brought this to everyone's attention.  the level of discourse has improved dramatically, good job everyone.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Min wage at that level would obliterate fast food.

Two birds with one stone? Ideally, everyone except for the ruling caste should be receiving their free rations from the government anyway.

I know your joking in a Pit kind of way, but, yes, making something that contributes to the coming health care crisis less available could be a good thing.

Also, free market will find a way.  Something will fill it's place.   Could be the return of ppl actually making their own food and controlling how much they make and what they use to make it though.

Don't get me wrong, the min wage idea is a bad one.  I am just intrigued with what change(not welfare related) that it might kick off.

Well, Ok, it's intriguing, kind of like how I find The Walking Dead intriguing.

Higher minimum wage will creep its way into all kinds of prices for food - not just fast food. And advocating for more government regulation, and then making the excuse that "the free market will find a way" to cope with the regulation (I think that's what you're saying?) is kinda dumb. No offense, though. How 'bout we just the "free market" be free-er?

[CNS]

Yeah, I know everything will adjust up.  That said, I don't think that the avg person's thinking and concept of individual product's values could fully adjust up equally.

I mean, no rough ridin' way I am paying $5 for a Junior Bacon Cheeseburger. 

[Emo EMAW]

The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.

This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.

Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.

You don't need to work to make that much.

You have to have a lot of kids, though, and that would suck.

That doesn't seem to be an issue for migrant workers.

Well, they come and work their asses off, so I guess that blows your theory about people not working because the government pays them not to right out of the water.

Are undocumented immigrants eligible for welfare?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Are undocumented immigrants eligible for welfare?

I really don't know. I don't think they should be, but they might be.

[sys]

Are undocumented immigrants eligible for welfare?

neither legal* nor illegal** immigrants are eligible for federal benefits.***  states can do what they want with state funds.

* - for five years
** - ever
*** - there's some wiggle room where states can decide if they want to give state-administered, federally funded benefits to legal immigrant children and pregnant women.

[sys]

Yeah, I know everything will adjust up.  That said, I don't think that the avg person's thinking and concept of individual product's values could fully adjust up equally.

I mean, no rough ridin' way I am paying $5 for a Junior Bacon Cheeseburger.

most countries in the world pay a considerably higher % of their income for food, including fast food.  they still eat, still eat fast food.

also, i've seen a lot estimates on the impact of $15/hour on fast food prices.  high end estimates are 20% increase, low end is no increase, but pressure on corporate/franchisee profits and increased automation replacing a lot of labor.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

The migrant farmer picking organic produce for slave wages suddenly making $15 an hour would cause a cataclismic series of shreeks at the whole foods registers loud enough to split the earth in two.

This would be followed with populist screams for congress to investigate the ag industry for exhobinent profiteering, and numerous speeches to that effect by b.o.

Migrant workers earning $15 an hour would be great.

You don't need to work to make that much.

You have to have a lot of kids, though, and that would suck.

That doesn't seem to be an issue for migrant workers.

Well, they come and work their asses off, so I guess that blows your theory about people not working because the government pays them not to right out of the water.

Are undocumented immigrants eligible for welfare?

When he said "migrant workers" I assumed he meant legal since he didn't state otherwise.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Undocumented immigrant is a misnomer for illegal alien. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

What do you guys think would happen if the minimum wage for US citizens stayed at $7.50 or whatever it is and the minimum wage for migrant workers became $12? Do you think US citizens would be willing and able to undercut the migrant labor or do you think that we would just see food prices go up? I think we would see the latter.

[Unruly]

http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research/2013/02/15/the-minimum-wage-myths-amp-facts/192692

[HeinBallz]

Economics in one lesson


Here's a free book for some of you guys... Might enjoy.

[massofcatfan]

http://mediamatters.org/mobile/research/2013/02/15/the-minimum-wage-myths-amp-facts/192692

to recap, when the price of something goes up, people buy more of it. 

I don't know why people who want a $15 minimum wage hate poor people so much. have you ever tried to support a family and buy a bmw* on $15/hour? minimum wage should be at least $80$90/hour which would generate tons of extra consumer spending and jobs.

just my 

*and/or F-250

[EMAWmeister]

This issue is very real.  The minimum wage is so low that there's more incentive not to work than there is to work for minimum wage.  Low skilled workers should be able to work full-time and still live semi-uncomfortably.

FYP

Yeah, I don't think you're supposed to live comfortably on minimum wage.