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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #150 on: March 28, 2013, 01:35:28 PM »
This is why I don't talk politics in polite company -- most people aren't polite.  I said something not particularly controversial and within seconds, I'm called a bigot. That's not an argument. That's name-calling. And it's not true.

Though there is very limited research on the topic of same sex parenting, what research exists suggests that no, two same sex parents are not as good as two parents of the opposite sex. You'll note I never mentioned biological parents, because the statistics suggest that adopted children in two parent (of the opposite gender) homes do best of all.

Like I said, not stuff I typically talk about. I just read the research and listen. Again, I'm not suggesting we make decisions based on what the research suggests, I'm simply saying we shouldn't lie about it. And now, birther pit, I'm out. Flame away, children.


I would be interested to see that research and who conducted it.

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #151 on: March 28, 2013, 01:39:21 PM »
This is why I don't talk politics in polite company -- most people aren't polite.  I said something not particularly controversial and within seconds, I'm called a bigot. That's not an argument. That's name-calling. And it's not true.


I wasn't trying to argue, I was trying to call you a bigot.

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #152 on: March 28, 2013, 01:42:45 PM »
This is why I don't talk politics in polite company -- most people aren't polite.  I said something not particularly controversial and within seconds, I'm called a bigot. That's not an argument. That's name-calling. And it's not true.

Though there is very limited research on the topic of same sex parenting, what research exists suggests that no, two same sex parents are not as good as two parents of the opposite sex. You'll note I never mentioned biological parents, because the statistics suggest that adopted children in two parent (of the opposite gender) homes do best of all.

Like I said, not stuff I typically talk about. I just read the research and listen. Again, I'm not suggesting we make decisions based on what the research suggests, I'm simply saying we shouldn't lie about it. And now, birther pit, I'm out. Flame away, children.


I would be interested to see that research and who conducted it.

http://www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdfs/12-144_307_Amicus_%20%28C_%20Gottlieb%29_ASA_Same-Sex_Marriage.pdf

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #153 on: March 28, 2013, 01:43:40 PM »
love when bigots say "i don't care if they get married, etc etc, BUT, let's all agree that they are evil and aren't equal to us normal, penis-to-vagina people"

shocker that fanning wackycat is a bigot  :lol:

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #154 on: March 28, 2013, 01:46:09 PM »
This is why I don't talk politics in polite company -- most people aren't polite.  I said something not particularly controversial and within seconds, I'm called a bigot. That's not an argument. That's name-calling. And it's not true.

Though there is very limited research on the topic of same sex parenting, what research exists suggests that no, two same sex parents are not as good as two parents of the opposite sex. You'll note I never mentioned biological parents, because the statistics suggest that adopted children in two parent (of the opposite gender) homes do best of all.

Like I said, not stuff I typically talk about. I just read the research and listen. Again, I'm not suggesting we make decisions based on what the research suggests, I'm simply saying we shouldn't lie about it. And now, birther pit, I'm out. Flame away, children.


I would be interested to see that research and who conducted it.

http://www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdfs/12-144_307_Amicus_%20%28C_%20Gottlieb%29_ASA_Same-Sex_Marriage.pdf

I'm not reading that long rough ridin' thing, but pretty sure it says Willegirl's research that was provided by Westboro is false

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #155 on: March 28, 2013, 01:47:11 PM »
That pretty much sums it up ChiCat

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« Reply #156 on: March 28, 2013, 02:02:20 PM »
This is why I don't talk politics in polite company -- most people aren't polite.  I said something not particularly controversial and within seconds, I'm called a bigot. That's not an argument. That's name-calling. And it's not true.

Though there is very limited research on the topic of same sex parenting, what research exists suggests that no, two same sex parents are not as good as two parents of the opposite sex. You'll note I never mentioned biological parents, because the statistics suggest that adopted children in two parent (of the opposite gender) homes do best of all.

Like I said, not stuff I typically talk about. I just read the research and listen. Again, I'm not suggesting we make decisions based on what the research suggests, I'm simply saying we shouldn't lie about it. And now, birther pit, I'm out. Flame away, children.

...maybe they're not as good cause they can't marry?

who knows. This is not, and will never be, a scientific argument to favor both sides IMO. Just like you cannot prove or disprove the existence of God scientifically, neither can you prove who is the better parents. For to do so would require defining what is a "good" parent => which is obviously subjective and contingent upon societal morals and beliefs of what is good => which are mostly rooted in religion.

And don't be confused by the word religion. we all have a religion. for those of you stating you don't care what others do as long as it does not effect you - guess what, that is a belief that plays into how you view the world and conduct yourself (i.e. a religion). It's just a word, right? Also, saying you don't care what other people do as long as it does not impact you is technically a flawed logic - not to mention lazy. It implies that only what benefits you or your interests is right and anything denying you from your interests is wrong. this is pretty standard existential fallacy - as it is not scalable to everyone.




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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #157 on: March 28, 2013, 02:10:03 PM »

Though there is very limited research on the topic of same sex parenting, what research exists suggests that no, two same sex parents are not as good as two parents of the opposite sex. You'll note I never mentioned biological parents, because the statistics suggest that adopted children in two parent (of the opposite gender) homes do best of all.


just curious where you saw/read/heard about this research, link tia.

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« Reply #158 on: March 28, 2013, 02:12:39 PM »
This is why I don't talk politics in polite company -- most people aren't polite.  I said something not particularly controversial and within seconds, I'm called a bigot. That's not an argument. That's name-calling. And it's not true.

Though there is very limited research on the topic of same sex parenting, what research exists suggests that no, two same sex parents are not as good as two parents of the opposite sex. You'll note I never mentioned biological parents, because the statistics suggest that adopted children in two parent (of the opposite gender) homes do best of all.

Like I said, not stuff I typically talk about. I just read the research and listen. Again, I'm not suggesting we make decisions based on what the research suggests, I'm simply saying we shouldn't lie about it. And now, birther pit, I'm out. Flame away, children.


I would be interested to see that research and who conducted it.

http://www.asanet.org/documents/ASA/pdfs/12-144_307_Amicus_%20%28C_%20Gottlieb%29_ASA_Same-Sex_Marriage.pdf

I'm not reading that long rough ridin' thing, but pretty sure it says Willegirl's research that was provided by Westboro is false
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not hard to skim and you are right.  waiting willegirl's research from her church newsletter.

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #159 on: March 28, 2013, 02:18:54 PM »
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CONCLUSION
The social science consensus is both conclusive and
clear: children fare just as well when they are raised by
same-sex parents as when they are raised by oppositesex parents

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #160 on: March 28, 2013, 03:18:39 PM »
This is why I don't talk politics in polite company -- most people aren't polite.  I said something not particularly controversial and within seconds, I'm called a bigot.

Yeah, it's obviously easier for you to not discuss politics on here than to not be a bigot.

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #161 on: March 28, 2013, 04:21:43 PM »
If you were stating an opinion that you believe same sex parenting isn't as effective as "traditional" parenting, that's one thing. But to say that we are lying to ourselves for thinking that a same sex couple is capable of raising a child as well as a mother and father is completely asinine.

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #162 on: March 28, 2013, 04:36:56 PM »
I would be willing to look at research that suggests that a heterosexual couple provides a better home for an adopted child than a homosexual couple, because I could see how there might be some benefit from living with both a man and a woman. :dunno:

Here in the real world, though, that doesn't matter at all because there are more kids than parents willing to adopt, and I'm not at all willing to believe that it's better to just push kids through the foster system than it is to give them an adoptive family, regardless of sexual orientation.

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« Reply #163 on: March 28, 2013, 05:05:44 PM »
As someone who studied prejudice in college, I'd just like to confirm that there is absolutely no evidence that says being raised by a heterosexual couple is better than being raise by a same sex couple.

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« Reply #164 on: March 28, 2013, 05:06:48 PM »
As someone who studied prejudice in college, I'd just like to confirm that there is absolutely no evidence that says being raised by a heterosexual couple is better than being raise by a same sex couple.

What about being raised by smelly bigots? 

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« Reply #165 on: March 28, 2013, 05:07:26 PM »
As someone who studied prejudice in college, I'd just like to confirm that there is absolutely no evidence that says being raised by a heterosexual couple is better than being raise by a same sex couple.

What about being raised by smelly bigots? 

9 times out of 10, the child is raised a smelly bigot. Very sad.

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #166 on: March 28, 2013, 05:08:50 PM »
why is "gay" in "quotes"? "storm" nut, do you "think" that "gays" do not "exist'?'

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #167 on: March 28, 2013, 05:14:49 PM »
As someone who studied prejudice in college, I'd just like to confirm that there is absolutely no evidence that says being raised by a heterosexual couple is better than being raise by a same sex couple.

What about being raised by smelly bigots? 

9 times out of 10, the child is raised a smelly bigot. Very sad.

Sounds both sad and scientific.

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« Reply #168 on: March 28, 2013, 09:13:41 PM »
the statistics suggest that adopted children in two parent (of the opposite gender) homes do best of all.

bullshit.


by the way, i agree with you, regarding the one sex parenting v. two sex parenting if you control for all other variables.  it's entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but on that other discussion, i agree.
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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #169 on: March 28, 2013, 10:01:13 PM »


Though there is very limited research on the topic of same sex parenting, what research exists suggests that no, two same sex parents are not as good as two parents of the opposite sex. You'll note I never mentioned biological parents, because the statistics suggest that adopted children in two parent (of the opposite gender) homes do best of all.

 

The Regnerus study is probably the one that she is referring to...widely discredited and the researcher was under investigation for scientific misconduct.  Oh, and he is also connected with some right wing groups.  Hmmm.

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local/ut-investigates-professors-study-on-children-with-/nRp5t/


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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #170 on: March 29, 2013, 11:23:02 AM »
Whoa, there's a test in order to get married and have kids?  eff that crap, stayin' single bros.   :eye:

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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #171 on: March 29, 2013, 01:10:07 PM »
I don't understand why this is so complicated.  The law should be that federal, state and municipal governments cannot deny a marriage license to two people based on their orientation, but religious organizations and/or people presiding over the ceremony do not have to perform same sex marriages if they do not wish to do so.  You would get some churches and pastors who perform same sex marriages and some that do not.  Seems pretty simple.

Part of the reason you don't understand why the actual issue before the scotus is complicated is because you think there are federal marriage licenses.

Thanks FSD, obviously there are no federal marriage licenses.  I should have left that out, but the point of the post still remains the same.  It really is not that complicated of an issue and some solution like what I put forward should solve the problem while still allowing religious organizations to make choices as a congregation on the issue.   :thumbs: for being a total douche though and thinking that you are the smartest person in the planet every time you make a post relating to some political issue.  We get it man, you have all the answers and the rest of us are just too stupid to comprehend the complexity of anything.


I don't think you understand the actual issues before the court, either that or you don't understand its purpose. 
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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #172 on: March 29, 2013, 01:19:04 PM »
the statistics suggest that adopted children in two parent (of the opposite gender) homes do best of all.

bullshit.


by the way, i agree with you, regarding the one sex parenting v. two sex parenting if you control for all other variables.  it's entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but on that other discussion, i agree.

Anyone who know anyone that teaches elementary school or lower can testify to that.  Kids with one sex parents don't "do as well" emotionally and psychologically.

I can't believe people still don't understand that social science is another term for partisan bullshit.
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Re: What is the standard that will need to be met for "Gay" marriage?
« Reply #173 on: March 29, 2013, 01:23:13 PM »
the statistics suggest that adopted children in two parent (of the opposite gender) homes do best of all.

bullshit.


by the way, i agree with you, regarding the one sex parenting v. two sex parenting if you control for all other variables.  it's entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but on that other discussion, i agree.

Anyone who know anyone that teaches elementary school or lower can testify to that.  Kids with one sex parents don't "do as well" emotionally and psychologically.

I can't believe people still don't understand that social science is another term for partisan bullshit.

I know a number of people that teach elementary school and none of them agree with that.

People who think science is partisan are retards

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« Reply #174 on: March 29, 2013, 01:25:39 PM »
the statistics suggest that adopted children in two parent (of the opposite gender) homes do best of all.

bullshit.


by the way, i agree with you, regarding the one sex parenting v. two sex parenting if you control for all other variables.  it's entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but on that other discussion, i agree.

Anyone who know anyone that teaches elementary school or lower can testify to that.  Kids with one sex parents don't "do as well" emotionally and psychologically.

I can't believe people still don't understand that social science is another term for partisan bullshit.

If social science is "partisan bullshit", what is "posting random stuff on a message board that I literally just made up in an attempt to show that there is evidence for my opinion"?