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Re: Fixing the Octagon.
« Reply #125 on: February 02, 2013, 11:02:12 AM »
Talking about Ahearn makes me sad.  Poor decision to abandon it.  Would be one of the special venues in all of sports.  Alas...

That said, were never going back.  So, focusing on Bram.

I wonder how much of the BSFS master plan will be completed before the AD turns it's attention to Bram.   It's clear with conference realignment that football is king and our AD, correctly, has focused on dilapidated BSFS.  Fortunately, were doing something about it.  Unfortunately, were only in Phase II of VI.  Even more unfortunately, the most important improvement - Vanier - is Phase VI. 

With scarce funding, should we burn through the football master plan,or should we sidetrack BSFS to dump some money into Bram?  I mean, I'd love to see a Bram facelift, but to do avoid a piecemeal, shoddy job, Bram really needs 10-20mil.  Concourses, donor lounges, exterior, interior, etc.  But I'd also like to see 10-20 mil go into a limestone wall, new video boards, ribbon boards, etc. at BSFS. 

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Re: Fixing the Octagon.
« Reply #126 on: February 02, 2013, 11:06:57 AM »
Talking about Ahearn makes me sad.  Poor decision to abandon it.  Would be one of the special venues in all of sports.  Alas...

That said, were never going back.  So, focusing on Bram.

I wonder how much of the BSFS master plan will be completed before the AD turns it's attention to Bram.   It's clear with conference realignment that football is king and our AD, correctly, has focused on dilapidated BSFS.  Fortunately, were doing something about it.  Unfortunately, were only in Phase II of VI.  Even more unfortunately, the most important improvement - Vanier - is Phase VI. 

With scarce funding, should we burn through the football master plan,or should we sidetrack BSFS to dump some money into Bram?  I mean, I'd love to see a Bram facelift, but to do avoid a piecemeal, shoddy job, Bram really needs 10-20mil.  Concourses, donor lounges, exterior, interior, etc.  But I'd also like to see 10-20 mil go into a limestone wall, new video boards, ribbon boards, etc. at BSFS. 

I think the most important improvement is all of the badass on the west side of the stadium.  I don't see how vanier really even comes close

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Re: Fixing the Octagon.
« Reply #127 on: February 02, 2013, 11:44:28 AM »
Talking about Ahearn makes me sad.  Poor decision to abandon it.  Would be one of the special venues in all of sports.  Alas...

That said, were never going back.  So, focusing on Bram.

I wonder how much of the BSFS master plan will be completed before the AD turns it's attention to Bram.   It's clear with conference realignment that football is king and our AD, correctly, has focused on dilapidated BSFS.  Fortunately, were doing something about it.  Unfortunately, were only in Phase II of VI.  Even more unfortunately, the most important improvement - Vanier - is Phase VI. 

With scarce funding, should we burn through the football master plan,or should we sidetrack BSFS to dump some money into Bram?  I mean, I'd love to see a Bram facelift, but to do avoid a piecemeal, shoddy job, Bram really needs 10-20mil.  Concourses, donor lounges, exterior, interior, etc.  But I'd also like to see 10-20 mil go into a limestone wall facade, new video boards, ribbon boards, etc. at BSFS Bramlage.
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Re: Fixing the Octagon.
« Reply #128 on: February 02, 2013, 12:00:26 PM »
Talking about Ahearn makes me sad.  Poor decision to abandon it.  Would be one of the special venues in all of sports.  Alas...

That said, were never going back.  So, focusing on Bram.

I wonder how much of the BSFS master plan will be completed before the AD turns it's attention to Bram.   It's clear with conference realignment that football is king and our AD, correctly, has focused on dilapidated BSFS.  Fortunately, were doing something about it.  Unfortunately, were only in Phase II of VI.  Even more unfortunately, the most important improvement - Vanier - is Phase VI. 

With scarce funding, should we burn through the football master plan,or should we sidetrack BSFS to dump some money into Bram?  I mean, I'd love to see a Bram facelift, but to do avoid a piecemeal, shoddy job, Bram really needs 10-20mil.  Concourses, donor lounges, exterior, interior, etc.  But I'd also like to see 10-20 mil go into a limestone wall, new video boards, ribbon boards, etc. at BSFS. 

I think the most important improvement is all of the badass on the west side of the stadium.  I don't see how vanier really even comes close

I'm not including the West Side.  I'm only talking about the remaining Phases III - IV, of which I think Vanier is the most important.  Like it or not, our training facility is crap compared to most other elite football programs.  If we want elite recruits, we need elite facilities.  Or, at least, facilities that are on par with KU's - which ours are not.

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Re: Fixing the Octagon.
« Reply #129 on: February 02, 2013, 01:07:29 PM »
BRAMLAGE COLISEUM IS A GREAT VENUE FOR COLLEGE BASKETBALL.  IT WAS WHEN IT FIRST OPENED. IT HAS BEEN EVER SINCE WE'VE BEEN GOOD AGAIN. THERE IS NOTHING TO FIX.
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« Reply #130 on: February 02, 2013, 01:19:31 PM »
It appears I'm in the minority, but I don't really think painting the stair risers purple would be that cool. I don't mind the white, as is.

New video panels on the scoreboard and an LED ribbon should be top priorities.

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« Reply #131 on: February 02, 2013, 02:07:53 PM »
Indifferent about interior bowl. Sure, there could be improvements.  But, Id prefer to see a facelift to the concourses, concessions, etc.  We need a donor lounges, expanded premium seating, revenue generating stuff. 

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Re: Fixing the Octagon.
« Reply #132 on: February 02, 2013, 02:35:30 PM »
LED ribbons are awesome! Get one. or two.

Excessive commercialization of something that's already too over-commercialized. Don't want ribbons. Just my opinion. Others may feel differently.

Me either.  Very small time.

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« Reply #133 on: February 02, 2013, 02:55:44 PM »
LED ribbons are awesome! Get one. or two.

Excessive commercialization of something that's already too over-commercialized. Don't want ribbons. Just my opinion. Others may feel differently.

Me either.  Very small time.

Agreed.  Ribbons not needed.

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Re: Fixing the Octagon.
« Reply #134 on: February 02, 2013, 02:59:53 PM »
Indifferent about interior bowl. Sure, there could be improvements.  But, Id prefer to see a facelift to the concourses, concessions, etc.  We need a donor lounges, expanded premium seating, revenue generating stuff.

I agree with all of this, we do have a donor lounge though. I've never been to a cbb arena with more than one.

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« Reply #135 on: February 02, 2013, 03:02:09 PM »
Thefirst thing I would change would be the border around the concourse with phrases like "free-throw", "jump ball" and "bounce pass".  Reminds me of something I may of had in my room when I was 8.  LED ribbon would be ok but isn't a must.  I agree that most changes need to be made to the concourse.  Put limestone on everything possible.

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« Reply #136 on: February 02, 2013, 03:07:21 PM »
I always lol when I walk by the framed quilt hanging in the concourse.  We need to take that down. 
I got a guy on the other line about some white walls

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« Reply #137 on: February 02, 2013, 05:44:32 PM »
People, in general, are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

These are the same idiots that would literally work themselves into a conniption fit during the planning and construction years for the Sprint Center because it was located downtown and the traffic would be gridlock and nowhere to park their car.  Neither of which was a relevant concern in the slightest.

It's a Midwestern thing.  Urban density is scary.  The thought of public transportation is more scary.  The thought of parking their car in a parking garage a block away from an arena or stadium instead of on the outskirts of a 100 acre asphalt parking lot and then walking a quarter mile is also foreign and frightening to many people.

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Re: Fixing the Octagon.
« Reply #138 on: February 03, 2013, 07:25:38 AM »
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Re: Fixing the Octagon.
« Reply #139 on: February 03, 2013, 07:46:55 AM »
Indifferent about interior bowl. Sure, there could be improvements.  But, Id prefer to see a facelift to the concourses, concessions, etc.  We need a donor lounges, expanded premium seating, revenue generating stuff.

I agree with all of this, we do have a donor lounge though. I've never been to a cbb arena with more than one.


Louisville has 8 of them at the Yum! Center along with 72 suites.  Mizzou Arena has multiple donor lounges + 30 suites.

At Bramlage, an entry level donor club space would go a long way.The key is to create access to cater to each major donor level.  It obviously generates a lot of revenue but it more importantly incentivizes loyalty amongst fans at even the introductory levels that are dropping $500 on a seat license to have an exclusive place to go in the arena before the game or at halftime to grab a bite and grab a drink.  You tier it out and the more you donate, the better club you have access to. 

At the Yum! Center, the ULAA room is their biggest club and it's available to all donors at less than a $1000 giving level.

Because the Legend's Room at Bramlage is so small, they can barely service a typical Gameday crowd and only the top level donors have access.

At Bramlage, even an entry level donor club space would go a long way.
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« Reply #140 on: February 03, 2013, 09:49:37 AM »
Agreed that we need more donor space. Plenty of room where current offices are. Need to build separate office space somewhere on the property. I'm thinking high-rise between Bramlage and track with super-elite garage parking underneath for donors such as myself.
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« Reply #141 on: February 03, 2013, 10:02:57 AM »
Had we kept Ahearn, the seating capacity would be about 8,000 max due to building codes. It would never be viable without major reconstruction, which would completely change it. The footprint of the structure prevents it from ever being anything more than it is now

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« Reply #142 on: February 03, 2013, 10:08:51 AM »
Had we kept Ahearn, the seating capacity would be about 8,000 max due to building codes. It would never be viable without major reconstruction, which would completely change it. The footprint of the structure prevents it from ever being anything more than it is now
LfirecodeIQ, how much updating would have to be done if you don't do a major reno?  I thought there were certain exemptions for old structures?
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« Reply #143 on: February 03, 2013, 10:40:27 AM »
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« Reply #144 on: February 03, 2013, 11:30:23 AM »
Had we kept Ahearn, the seating capacity would be about 8,000 max due to building codes. It would never be viable without major reconstruction, which would completely change it. The footprint of the structure prevents it from ever being anything more than it is now

Not true, With modification it could seat around 11,000. The biggest limiter on the firecodes is the lack of exterior exit doors. We would need basically a wall of them on the west side going out to what is now the Natatorium.

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« Reply #145 on: February 03, 2013, 11:34:45 AM »
Pro-tip: ahearn is an old, run down piece of crap. I know it had a cool atmosphere for basketball in 1982, but literally it's only advantage over the fOOD is that it is located on campus, but WGAF?
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« Reply #146 on: February 03, 2013, 11:37:06 AM »
Pro-tip: ahearn is an old, run down piece of crap. I know it had a cool atmosphere for basketball in 1982, but literally it's only advantage over the fOOD is that it is located on campus, but WGAF?

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« Reply #147 on: February 03, 2013, 11:38:42 AM »
Pro-tip: ahearn is an old, run down piece of crap. I know it had a cool atmosphere for basketball in 1982, but literally it's only advantage over the fOOD is that it is located on campus, but WGAF?

Thats a big advantage.  I wish we would tear Ahearn down and build a new OOD there.

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« Reply #148 on: February 03, 2013, 01:18:13 PM »
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OU has fire!

I hope they learned the difference between indoor and outdoor pyrotechnics from the latest incident in Brazil.

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« Reply #149 on: February 03, 2013, 02:50:30 PM »
Pro-tip: ahearn is an old, run down piece of crap. I know it had a cool atmosphere for basketball in 1982, but literally it's only advantage over the fOOD is that it is located on campus, but WGAF?

Thats a big advantage.  I wish we would tear Ahearn down and build a new OOD there.

Advantage for what? It's not like the OOD is an hour off campus.