Sprads vs WVU will stir up the goEmawr's

[bones129]

i laughed out loud ten times today trying to imagine what a D1 basketball team full of will spradlings at every position on the floor would look like. would maybe win 4 big12 games. i mean, when the best thing you can say about a basketball player is that he's willing to play thirty minutes a game and completely just stay out of the way then you are talking about a person that just isn't very good at basketball.

Like a team of Wills in various sizes and shapes of players from various positions?  A 7'1" Will would be amazing.  Soft enough to play Bruceketball for sure.

a 7'1" will would barely be able to walk athletically speaking. but yeah, that's the idea. i just lol wondering who would actually shoot the ball or try to do anything with it while on offense. thirty seconds of hot potato with someone finally getting stuck with the thing while the shot clock was running out and forced to shoot.

imagine a 7'1 will doing the "charlie brown" tunnel dance though

well yeah. that's just one of the many images i had while lol'ing all the way to the bank this afternoon.

"Good tunnel dancer" would not be among Will's skill set at any height, IMO.

[wetwillie]

The land mine of potential charges would render the other team helpless

[Dr Rick Daris]

The land mine of potential charges would render the other team helpless

final score of games in the single digits? 

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Trashing him repeatedly does nothing of value. 

If done to him, it could get him to transfer maybe.

[puniraptor]

Remember that one time today when Will actually tried to drive and score?  Lol.

[Berries and Cream]

Not sure if you've noticed, but Tay isn't very good.

Dnr the rest of this thread, but its clear that berries n cream is the biggest dumbass probably ever

I appreciate your dedication to the cause.

[MakeItRain]

Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....

i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time.  will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.

i don't get why people hate him this season.

It's just people being fanboys and talking in extremes, using extremist descriptive words, especially when talking negatively about a player.  I would imagine that at nearly every one of our regular players has been called, worthless, awful, terrible, etc. at one point or another this season.  Rod is a good, possibly great college player.  The only one we have on this team.  The rest of our main guys are serviceable players who will have ups and downs.  You don't get ranked #18 (probably higher after a likely win @TCU), with a bunch of crappy players.

What a stupid ass post.  If you're going to make absurd generalizations like you did in the first sentence I feel completely comfortable calling dumbass when I see dumbass.  There have been plenty of basketball and non basketball reasons why Will sucks, when Will sucks.  There has also been plenty of praise for him when he's earned it.  I pointed out his improvements in the early non con games.  Everyone blew him after the Florida game.  People point out when he sucks because he sucks a lot.  For the second consecutive season he is the worst player in the regular rotation and it isn't at a position of depth.  That coupled with what happened last March has rightly made him a target.  If he plays better people will lay off.

The position that you, dlew, and edn (who hilariously calls people out for their assessment of Will and admits that he didn't see the game) are taking is much more alligned with fanboy behavior than the alternative because none of you have even attempted to use any basketball reasoning as to why the criticism is unwarranted.  We've now gotten to the point that the guy is so regularly bad that we can't talk about him after games because people get sensitive.  When the PP/NN thread comes out KK can just skip Will to spare your feelings.


Go sit in the corner with that fanboy bullshit.

[DQ12]

The position that you, dlew, and edn (who hilariously calls people out for their assessment of Will and admits that he didn't see the game) are taking is much more alligned with fanboy behavior than the alternative because none of you have even attempted to use any basketball reasoning as to why the criticism is unwarranted.

You're probably right.  The "WILL IS A PIECE OF crap" stuff just gets exhausting though. .

It's probably a "me" problem.

[kim carnes]

Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....

i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time.  will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.

i don't get why people hate him this season.

It's just people being fanboys and talking in extremes, using extremist descriptive words, especially when talking negatively about a player.  I would imagine that at nearly every one of our regular players has been called, worthless, awful, terrible, etc. at one point or another this season.  Rod is a good, possibly great college player.  The only one we have on this team.  The rest of our main guys are serviceable players who will have ups and downs.  You don't get ranked #18 (probably higher after a likely win @TCU), with a bunch of crappy players.

What a stupid ass post.  If you're going to make absurd generalizations like you did in the first sentence I feel completely comfortable calling dumbass when I see dumbass.  There have been plenty of basketball and non basketball reasons why Will sucks, when Will sucks.  There has also been plenty of praise for him when he's earned it.  I pointed out his improvements in the early non con games.  Everyone blew him after the Florida game.  People point out when he sucks because he sucks a lot.  For the second consecutive season he is the worst player in the regular rotation and it isn't at a position of depth.  That coupled with what happened last March has rightly made him a target.  If he plays better people will lay off.

The position that you, dlew, and edn (who hilariously calls people out for their assessment of Will and admits that he didn't see the game) are taking is much more alligned with fanboy behavior than the alternative because none of you have even attempted to use any basketball reasoning as to why the criticism is unwarranted.  We've now gotten to the point that the guy is so regularly bad that we can't talk about him after games because people get sensitive.  When the PP/NN thread comes out KK can just skip Will to spare your feelings.


Go sit in the corner with that fanboy bullshit.

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[nicname]

I never even said Spradling was good.  Everything I said in that post is true.  Spradling is to goEMAW as Angel is to kstatefans and gpc.  Is frustration directed towards Spradling on this board more warranted than that directed towards Angel on the other boards?  I think so.  That doesn't mean that it isn't often extremest and emotional rather than analytical. It's a regular current on this board and sports fandom in general.  Like I said in my earlier post, it isn't just Spradling, but nearly every player on our roster.

[ksupamplemousse]

I never even said Spradling was good.  Everything I said in that post is true.  Spradling is to goEMAW as Angel is to kstatefans and gpc.  Is frustration directed towards Spradling on this board more warranted than that directed towards Angel on the other boards?  I think so.  That doesn't mean that it isn't often extremest and emotional rather than analytical. It's a regular current on this board and sports fandom in general.  Like I said in my earlier post, it isn't just Spradling, but nearly every player on our roster.

Mine is definitely emotional, but it stems from his inability to live up to his potential. Honestly, the kid could be a pretty decent shooter, and he just isn't. I hear all the time about how Rodney and Tay lived in the gym all summer, and how Southwell has been really working at correcting his shooting mechanics, but I never hear about Will going the extra mile to get out of this 18 month shooting slump he's been in. It doesn't mean he he hasn't, it just means I haven't heard about it...anybody know if Will is busting his ass to try and fix his shot?

[ednksu]

Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....

i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time.  will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.

i don't get why people hate him this season.

It's just people being fanboys and talking in extremes, using extremist descriptive words, especially when talking negatively about a player.  I would imagine that at nearly every one of our regular players has been called, worthless, awful, terrible, etc. at one point or another this season.  Rod is a good, possibly great college player.  The only one we have on this team.  The rest of our main guys are serviceable players who will have ups and downs.  You don't get ranked #18 (probably higher after a likely win @TCU), with a bunch of crappy players.

What a stupid ass post.  If you're going to make absurd generalizations like you did in the first sentence I feel completely comfortable calling dumbass when I see dumbass.  There have been plenty of basketball and non basketball reasons why Will sucks, when Will sucks.  There has also been plenty of praise for him when he's earned it.  I pointed out his improvements in the early non con games.  Everyone blew him after the Florida game.  People point out when he sucks because he sucks a lot.  For the second consecutive season he is the worst player in the regular rotation and it isn't at a position of depth.  That coupled with what happened last March has rightly made him a target.  If he plays better people will lay off.

The position that you, dlew, and edn (who hilariously calls people out for their assessment of Will and admits that he didn't see the game) are taking is much more alligned with fanboy behavior than the alternative because none of you have even attempted to use any basketball reasoning as to why the criticism is unwarranted.  We've now gotten to the point that the guy is so regularly bad that we can't talk about him after games because people get sensitive.  When the PP/NN thread comes out KK can just skip Will to spare your feelings.


Go sit in the corner with that fanboy bullshit.

nice non sequitur from the front man of team pseudo. 
Just because I didn't watch the game doesn't mean I didn't listen to it.  Point here is that Will's name was mentioned very little in the broadcast.  Just because I point out that he didn't have a bad game (as you lust for) doesn't mean I'm automatically a fan boy.  At this point a good game for Will is one where he doesn't appear in the radio broadcast.  that means he isn't turning the ball over, he isn't taking shitty shots, and he isn't failing to distribute the ball.  A good game for Will is where he makes one extra pass to the assist man.  A good game for him is hitting a 3 or two.  What that means to me is that he doesn't disappear from the stat sheet or the game, but he isn't a point of failure.  A great game for him is multiple assists, a few 3s, and being the assist man, see SDU.  Would I like more, of course, but be a realist.

Your criticisms would be valid if he was playing below his own standard or more importantly below his skill set.  We've known what Will is/was for quite sometime.  To expect him to be something he isn't, and never has been, shows the logical fallacy of your position.  Don't get frothingly mad at a kid who has never given you the expectation of something else.   

[MakeItRain]

I never even said Spradling was good.  Everything I said in that post is true.  Spradling is to goEMAW as Angel is to kstatefans and gpc.  Is frustration directed towards Spradling on this board more warranted than that directed towards Angel on the other boards?  I think so.  That doesn't mean that it isn't often extremest and emotional rather than analytical. It's a regular current on this board and sports fandom in general.  Like I said in my earlier post, it isn't just Spradling, but nearly every player on our roster.

What an absurd comparison, and you know it too, nic karnes

[Stevesie60]

ednksu, he has gotten 30+ minutes on a Big 12 team for three years now. I think it's okay to have higher standards for him than "doesn't turn the ball over too much" and "stays out of the way". But you admitting that those are your expectations for him explains a lot.

I think it will be great when Marcus Foster gets half of Will's minutes next year while he's a freshman and Will is a senior.

[nicname]

ednksu, he has gotten 30+ minutes on a Big 12 team for three years now. I think it's okay to have higher standards for him than "doesn't turn the ball over too much" and "stays out of the way". But you admitting that those are your expectations for him explains a lot.

I think it will be great when Marcus Foster gets half of Will's minutes next year while he's a freshman and Will is a senior.

I hope that Foster is good enough to do so.  However, I'll be you a steak dinner that Will averages at least 29 mpg next season.

[wabash909]

Everyone agrees that will sucks.  But angel is pretty sucky too and yet no one says anything.

All of the guard play has sucked.   

In order of horribleness.

1) Angel - Bad (but usually can be relied upon to give us one or two decent stretches a game where he makes a rare open jump shot or a lay up on a drive to the basket or a good defensive play where he isn't called for a foul)

2) Tay - Marginally worse (but not that bad because we don't rely on his contribution and he's taking Will's minutes)

3) Will - The absolute worst (a shooting guard that can't shoot)

In summation, what's amazing is that we have found a way to win in spite of the glaringly inconsistent and mostly terrible guard play.  Most of that is due to Rodney's resurgence and Southwell's emergence.  Thanks, Rod and Shane, you guys have been great and we really appreciate you.

[kso_FAN]

Most of the critique on our guards comes from poor shooting and lack of ability to score, but in reality all 3 do some things well.

All 3 have good assist to TO ratios and defend well according to what they are asked to do. They combine for 10.4 assists per game compared to 4.5 TOs. We don't have a team full of players who can go get their own shot, so this is a good number, and scoring 64% shots off of assists reflects that. A key for this team in this season has been the rise in assist% combined with the drop in TO%. Now that the team is starting to hit shots (5 of the last 6 games shooting 49% or better) those numbers are paying off on offense.

Then you combine that with the defensive numbers; teams shoot poorly (44.9%) AND don't get many shots off of assists (45.7%) AND shoot poorly from 3 (30.4%). 3 point shooting is a bit of luck, but all these numbers also reflect really good defense as a team, and that includes the guards.

We haven't gotten to 13-2 by luck. We have one great player in Rod and the rest of the guys do their jobs well, even if they don't always shoot as well as we need them too. If we can get more consistent shooting by guys like Tay and Will while keeping Angel on the floor more (out of foul trouble) the upside for this team is even higher.

[kso_FAN]

Also those 3 combine for 2.8 steals on a team that averages 7.1 steals per game. This team steals the ball at a rate (10.6%) higher than any of the teams of the last 6 years while maintaining a high opponent TO% (22.9%).

[Boondock Poonhound]

I guess it's too much to ask your starting SHOOTING guard to actually make a shot or two.  Hey only one turnover though! 

This !

Will Scott could knock down jumpers.
Lance Harris could rip the nets.
All we are asking for is WS to make some damn jump shots as a shooting guard, or play 15mpg instead of 32.

[michigancat]

I guess it's too much to ask your starting SHOOTING guard to actually make a shot or two.  Hey only one turnover though! 

This !

Will Scott could knock down jumpers.
Lance Harris could rip the nets.
All we are asking for is WS to make some damn jump shots as a shooting guard, or play 15mpg instead of 32.

Lance Harris shot 27% from 3 his junior year. Will is shooting 32% (which isn't awful).

I don't have a problem with Will's shooting percentage or most of the shots he's taking. I do think he should play less, and props to oscar for doing so.

[deputy dawg]

Read the entire thread.  Most of the observations about Spradling could be applied to a number of other players on the team for certain stretches of their playing career at K-State.  What makes some of you respected is the buzz that Spradling threatened to walk if Frank came back this season.  You'll try to dress it up in pseudo HBBIQ language, but the bottom line is that Spradling's alleged role in Frank's departure guides your perception.

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I hate him because he's a FP, both in basketball and non-basketball. <--- pseudo HBBIQ language

[michigancat]

Read the entire thread.  Most of the observations about Spradling could be applied to a number of other players on the team for certain stretches of their playing career at K-State.

Who? Did it go on for a full season and a half? And you must have missed last year's Spradling thread.

[Berries and Cream]

I don't think anyone (or much of anyone) is saying Spradling isn't a well below average Big 12 starting guard. He absolutely is and it'd be pretty much impossible to argue otherwise. But expectations or not, the reality is we don't have better options.

Tay's numbers extended to equivalent minutes as Will come to:

6.7 points
3 rebounds
4.18 assists
1 steal
1.5 TOs

Obviously they don't play the same position with the same four players alongside them often, which no doubt has an effect. But it's not like Tay has shown indications he'd be a major improvement. His FG% is the same, his FT% is worse, and he has a 2% higher 3 pt. The assists rate is better, which further suggests Tay should be getting all of the backup PG minutes instead of Will. And since Will isn't doing much of value, I have no problem with a more even share of minutes until one actually proves to be better. But the reason Will plays so much, and has now for three seasons, is as big an indictment on Tay as anybody. Love the guy, but just not a particularly good basketball player and even with more minutes don't expect him to suddenly turn the corner and be a step above Spradling. I still don't get why oscar ran The Jet. Almost as bad as Orris over Gray. Would have been a valuable asset for this shooting challenged guard unit.

[sys]

art is hurt, that's why he is playing below his capabilities.  if he isn't hurt, then i'm very disappointed with his progression this year, and would use that as a reason to hate weber.

spradling sucks, just like he sucked last year.  southwell is much better.  i think i was wrong when i said that spradling is a better 2 than southwell.  southie's a better 4 than he is a 2, but he's probably a better 2 than spradling.

i don't know why the jet left.  if i did know, and it was weber's fault, then that'd be a great thing to attack weber about.  it is weird that people don't talk about it more.