Sprads vs WVU will stir up the goEmawr's

[MakeItRain]

Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....

i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time.  will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.

i don't get why people hate him this season.

Angel doesn't get a pass from anyone.  People hate will because his production doesnt match his minutes.  People that don't hate him are okay with his ceiling being " Will didn't kill us today."  oscar sat him in some key points down the stretch, he probably hates him too.

[kso_FAN]

Will played 9 minutes in the 2nd half. Tay played 14. Angel played 17.

I have no problem with any of that.

[DQ12]

Angel doesn't get a pass from anyone.

pffffffftttttttttttt

[MakeItRain]

Because Irving had 3 assists, 3 steals, a couple boards and 0 TOs, with just as many points. Will does nothing for our offense. Angel at least stirs things up by making drives and making passes inside.

Of the 3, Angel is the key player for us and I think we all agree on that. He has got to stop the needless fouls. I love his mentality and aggressiveness which is part of that, but he's simply got to make better decisions.

There are plenty of Will critiques, but to say he "does nothing" on offense is inaccurate.

At the end of the day, I don't think anyone can complain about the minutes distributed at the 2 guard spots today. Angel played 25 minutes (only b/c of foul problems) with 9 points, 2 assists, 4 TOs, and 2 steals. It wasn't his greatest game and WVU's pressure bothered him at times, but I still wanted him on the floor down the stretch and he made some key plays. Will played 28 minutes, had 2 points, 4 assists, 1 TO,  2 rebounds, and 2 steals. Tay played 27, had 2 points, 3 assists, no TOs, 3 rebounds, and 3 steals. And its not an either or situation, all 3 are going to play. Angel playing more is mainly in his court; stay out of foul trouble. Tay is going to play when Angel is out at PG. The only debate is Tay stealing minutes at the 2 spot from Will, and oscar finally went that way for a stretch in the 2nd half today and the team played well. As for hitting shots, both Will and Tay need to be bigger threats and hit shots. There simply isn't going to be a situation where Tay gets all of Will's minutes, but he does need to produce or I'm sure oscar will be more willing to play Tay some there today and I'm fine with that.

And I really don't want Omari on the floor unless its an absolute emergency.

The minutes at the 2 were much better today.  I will also aggressively stamp out any attempt to dumb down the expectations of Will because he's been non productive for so long.  The only positive play I can remember from Will today was the early lob to Rodney.  If you're not an absolutist jakesie was right.

[MakeItRain]

Angel doesn't get a pass from anyone.

pffffffftttttttttttt

Why don't you say what you mean, this is no place for passive-aggressiveness

Some give people Angel free passes, you hold Will to a low standard; we all have weaknesses.

[_33]

Will doesn't turn it over much. But that's because he never ever tries to make anything happen. He doesn't have the ability or the guts to try to make anything happen. He's a ball mover, and ball movers don't usually turn it over much.

[DQ12]

Angel doesn't get a pass from anyone.

Some give people Angel free passes.

I mean.

[Stevesie60]

I will say that it's obvious Angel makes mistakes. The difference is that I think goEMAW'rs know that the Angel's good outweighs the bad. The drives he had today, the 3, and at the end of the game when he knocked the ball into the backcourt, taking a few of WVU's precious seconds of the clock.

Will's mistakes aren't as bad, but he has no good to make up for it. To touch on what I think MIR is saying, Will had one true assist; a lob into Grudes. One of his assists was a pass to Nino ten feet from the basket, from which he drove in and created his own shot. I don't think that should count as an assist. At least Angel's and Tay's assists are when they lob it inside, or drive inside and then kick it out to someone wide open for a 3.

[MakeItRain]

Angel doesn't get a pass from anyone.

Some give people Angel free passes.

I mean.

Why don't you say what you mean, this is no place for passive-aggressiveness

Should you just post "stop being mean to Will" and call it a day?

[Stevesie60]

Also, Will should have one more TO for when he threw it straight out of bounds and somehow the ref gave us the ball.

[Tobias]

Will doesn't turn it over much. But that's because he never ever tries to make anything happen. He doesn't have the ability or the guts to try to make anything happen. He's a ball mover, and ball movers don't usually turn it over much.

reminds me of my first job in local government out of college.  woof, talk about working with a bunch of will spradlings.

[ChiComCat]

My difference between Will and Tay on the stat line is Will shot more.  If Tay is shooting as poorly as Will did, he generally stops shooting and tries to contribute other ways.  Will keeps shooting, results be damned.  I get that from a traditionally good shooter, but Will has not been that for a season and a half now.

Angel has had some ugly games and needs to play better.  He does things that Tay and Will don't and his upside is still way beyond theirs, which is why he gets the free pass so often.

[MakeItRain]

I will say that it's obvious Angel makes mistakes. The difference is that I think goEMAW'rs know that the Angel's good outweighs the bad. The drives he had today, the 3, and at the end of the game when he knocked the ball into the backcourt, taking a few of WVU's precious seconds of the clock.

Will's mistakes aren't as bad, but he has no good to make up for it. To touch on what I think MIR is saying, Will had one true assist; a lob into Grudes. One of his assists was a pass to Nino ten feet from the basket, from which he drove in and created his own shot. I don't think that should count as an assist. At least Angel's and Tay's assists are when they lob it inside, or drive inside and then kick it out to someone wide open for a 3.

Dlew knows this too.  He just wants people to be nice to Will.  It was a rookie mistake to invoke Angel, he undercut his own point.

[catzacker]

Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....

i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time.  will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.

i don't get why people hate him this season.

i hate will because he is a failure at what he's supposed to be.  i don't hate angel because he isn't one (yet).

also, will lobbying for frank to gtfo is kind of hard to disregard.

lol, so its personal for you? 

frank left k-state, btw, he wasn't fired.

sure, part of my hate towards sprads is personal.  It certainly was personal for will/shannon.  please save your naiveness about frank "leaving" for childeren who believe in santa.

[kim carnes]

Everyone agrees that will sucks.  But angel is pretty sucky too and yet no one says anything.

[kougar24]

Still waiting for Dlew to come tell us why Angel is just as bad....

i didn't say "just as bad," i was just saying that Angel gets a free pass during a lot of his bad games and Will gets eaten alive all the time.  will had a bad shooting game today, but according to the box score, had 4 assists, 2 steals, a couple of boards and only 1 TO.

i don't get why people hate him this season.

Angel doesn't get a pass from anyone.  People hate will because his production doesnt match his minutes.  People that don't hate him are okay with his ceiling being " Will didn't kill us today."  oscar sat him in some key points down the stretch, he probably hates him too.

This. Because Will doesn't really bring other things above-average to the table, he has to be an excellent shooter for us to be expected to not hate him. 35% 3pt shooter wouldn't cut it, even if he was able to get back up there.

[DQ12]

I will say that it's obvious Angel makes mistakes. The difference is that I think goEMAW'rs know that the Angel's good outweighs the bad. The drives he had today, the 3, and at the end of the game when he knocked the ball into the backcourt, taking a few of WVU's precious seconds of the clock.

Will's mistakes aren't as bad, but he has no good to make up for it. To touch on what I think MIR is saying, Will had one true assist; a lob into Grudes. One of his assists was a pass to Nino ten feet from the basket, from which he drove in and created his own shot. I don't think that should count as an assist. At least Angel's and Tay's assists are when they lob it inside, or drive inside and then kick it out to someone wide open for a 3.

Dlew knows this too.  He just wants people to be nice to Will.  It was a rookie mistake to invoke Angel, he undercut his own point.

This is true.  But still, Angel makes a lot of stupid plays and sometimes, Angel's bad plays outweigh his good. 

My point in all of this is, is that people talk crap on Will all the time after every game.  But he does some nice things for us sometimes. 

The Will hate just gets old.

[kougar24]

The Will hate just gets old.

I can never get enough of it.

[MakeItRain]

I will say that it's obvious Angel makes mistakes. The difference is that I think goEMAW'rs know that the Angel's good outweighs the bad. The drives he had today, the 3, and at the end of the game when he knocked the ball into the backcourt, taking a few of WVU's precious seconds of the clock.

Will's mistakes aren't as bad, but he has no good to make up for it. To touch on what I think MIR is saying, Will had one true assist; a lob into Grudes. One of his assists was a pass to Nino ten feet from the basket, from which he drove in and created his own shot. I don't think that should count as an assist. At least Angel's and Tay's assists are when they lob it inside, or drive inside and then kick it out to someone wide open for a 3.

Dlew knows this too.  He just wants people to be nice to Will.  It was a rookie mistake to invoke Angel, he undercut his own point.

This is true.  But still, Angel makes a lot of stupid plays and sometimes, Angel's bad plays outweigh his good. 

My point in all of this is, is that people talk crap on Will all the time after every game.  But he does some nice things for us sometimes. 

The Will hate just gets old.

When?  And don't point out something that's isolated that is expected from a normal shooting guard.  Weird day for this crusade, he was terrible and judging by his minutes and him sitting late, oscar agrees.

[Trim]

I hate Will for both basketball and personal reasons.  Not apologizing. 

[Stevesie60]

I will say that it's obvious Angel makes mistakes. The difference is that I think goEMAW'rs know that the Angel's good outweighs the bad. The drives he had today, the 3, and at the end of the game when he knocked the ball into the backcourt, taking a few of WVU's precious seconds of the clock.

Will's mistakes aren't as bad, but he has no good to make up for it. To touch on what I think MIR is saying, Will had one true assist; a lob into Grudes. One of his assists was a pass to Nino ten feet from the basket, from which he drove in and created his own shot. I don't think that should count as an assist. At least Angel's and Tay's assists are when they lob it inside, or drive inside and then kick it out to someone wide open for a 3.

Dlew knows this too.  He just wants people to be nice to Will.  It was a rookie mistake to invoke Angel, he undercut his own point.

This is true.  But still, Angel makes a lot of stupid plays and sometimes, Angel's bad plays outweigh his good. 

My point in all of this is, is that people talk crap on Will all the time after every game.  But he does some nice things for us sometimes. 

The Will hate just gets old.

I'm pretty sure that after the Florida game, we all reluctantly admitted that one of the main reasons we won was because Will played well. Pretty sure even MIR agreed on that.

[yosh]

I intensely dislike Sprads for a variety of reasons, two of which are not his fault. One, the tuck love. it's just the default racists thinking he would be the next Lon or Henson because he's white. Two, it pisses me off we haven't been able to recruit a capable off guard for four years (a good senior would be starting in the spot).
The other is the same reason Frank called him a rough ridin' pussy. He's weak.

I think the two that are not his fault are the majority if the reason people hate him.  I don't think most will admit that, kudos to you for doing so. 

[Stupid Fitz]

Will sucks

[MakeItRain]

I intensely dislike Sprads for a variety of reasons, two of which are not his fault. One, the tuck love. it's just the default racists thinking he would be the next Lon or Henson because he's white. Two, it pisses me off we haven't been able to recruit a capable off guard for four years (a good senior would be starting in the spot).
The other is the same reason Frank called him a rough ridin' pussy. He's weak.

I think the two that are not his fault are the majority if the reason people hate him.  I don't think most will admit that, kudos to you for doing so.

Its not his fault that he's weak and a liar?  I don't blame him for Frank being gone, no one does.  I do blame him for being a crybaby when he previously said that his dad was meaner than frank.  I do blame him for being crying about having to play point when he's 6'1" and cant shoot or jump.  I also blame many of his on court issues with his fragility.  There have been many basketball players with physical limitations, but few with those and mental fragility.

I don't blame him for being ugly. I don't blame him for the minutes he gets, that's oscar's and Frank's fault.  Did you see Josh Gray today? Good looking player.

[Skipper44]

Very painful to imagine this team with Gray taking half of Sprads minutes