Another school shooting

[nicname]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I think there should be as well.  But unless a school could afford multiple police officers, then the children will still be largely unprotected. All I care about is the most protection for the kids in these schools...And for everyone who thinks it is a stupid idea because teachers could go insane and start killing kids, step back and think for a second. If they wanted to do that they could get a gun on their own and do it anyway, regardless of being armed by the school.

I think it's a stupid idea because we already have a hard time getting qualified people to want to be teachers in this country. Believe it or not, but having the responsibility of carrying an armed gun at work is a turn off for most people. There is also the aspect of having kids growing up in a school system that is full of guns. At some point, the methods of prevention are just not worth the miniscule risk they alleviate. I would rather start a second Civil War taking the guns out of Joe Bob and Cletus' dead hands than force kids into that kind of environment.

I agree with this.  I think a better solution would be to allow teachers, as citizens to apply for concealed carry, and to do away with laws prohibiting them from carrying in school.  That way you wouldn't force people to do something they don't want to do, and the people who actually had the guns would be more likely to be comfortable with them in the first place. 

["storm"nut]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

Thats why I said that these resource officers (what they called them at MHS) should not be the off the beat guys, but the best officers in the force. I think the guy we had when I was there was there because he sucked at being an officer. (Not Officer George that guy was cool)

[nicname]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

It could stop them from shooting more people.

[Institutional Control]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

I thought just about all schools already had them. My high school got one after Columbine and that was just some podunk Kansas town.

The school district in my town has 1 law enforcement officer at the high school and 1 at the Jr. High. But none at any of the five elementary schools.

[puniraptor]

Our SRO got arrested for beating up his wife.

["storm"nut]

I've have thoughts on this but maybe not a good idea. Should not school lock down include automatic locking doors to the class rooms and the hallways. Have a panic button to lock down the school and limit movements of the prick?

[Institutional Control]

I've have thoughts on this but maybe not a good idea. Should not school lock down include automatic locking doors to the class rooms and the hallways. Have a panic button to lock down the school and limit movements of the prick?

What about the kids in the hallways when the lock down happens?

[steve dave]

I've have thoughts on this but maybe not a good idea. Should not school lock down include automatic locking doors to the class rooms and the hallways. Have a panic button to lock down the school and limit movements of the prick?

there are panic buttons in most offices at the University of Nebraska

[HeinBallz]

should we tax all gun owners like we tax booze, property, etc.? like a cross between a property and sin tax? then use that money to fund security measures at schools and other areas? could pass a law that requires the registration of all guns and the confiscation and destruction of all non-registered guns and then require a yearly tax on each gun someone owns? on top of all the good ideas about making high capacity guns, assault guns, etc. illegal including the ones already out there. just spit balling ideas here.

We could also use some of the money and set it aside for a fund to help victims of gun violence?

And treat mental illness.

yes

I would be fine with this

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["storm"nut]

I've have thoughts on this but maybe not a good idea. Should not school lock down include automatic locking doors to the class rooms and the hallways. Have a panic button to lock down the school and limit movements of the prick?

What about the kids in the hallways when the lock down happens?

Or the class room the guy is in as well. I don't have good feeling about them as well but would think it would limit that losses to just once classroom or if lucky enough to that hallway.

[MixBerryCrunch]

I've have thoughts on this but maybe not a good idea. Should not school lock down include automatic locking doors to the class rooms and the hallways. Have a panic button to lock down the school and limit movements of the prick?

I think so. Don't know how much it would cost, but at this point I don't care. I think every measure to protect the kids should be taken.

["storm"nut]

I've have thoughts on this but maybe not a good idea. Should not school lock down include automatic locking doors to the class rooms and the hallways. Have a panic button to lock down the school and limit movements of the prick?

there are panic buttons in most offices at the University of Nebraska

I know I was not the only person to think of this. Good to know.

[EMAWican]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

Thats why I said that these resource officers (what they called them at MHS) should not be the off the beat guys, but the best officers in the force. I think the guy we had when I was there was there because he sucked at being an officer. (Not Officer George that guy was cool)

Yah, take the best officers off of the streets to read newspapers and be the prevention for one shooting every ten years at one school out of 100,000.   

["storm"nut]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

Thats why I said that these resource officers (what they called them at MHS) should not be the off the beat guys, but the best officers in the force. I think the guy we had when I was there was there because he sucked at being an officer. (Not Officer George that guy was cool)

Yah, take the best officers off of the streets to read newspapers and be the prevention for one shooting every ten years at one school out of 100,000.   

Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

It could stop them from shooting more people.

Maybe. Even if some teachers had guns, the outcome would depend heavily on which classroom the shooter decided to walk into, and then whether the teacher was the first target or not. As horrifying as these school shootings are, the death tolls are not as high as people make them out to be. I would argue that a shooter could easily take out 14 people (same # as Columbine) by shooting up a single classroom. The teacher carrying the gun would most likely be shot before he/she even knew what was going on.

[star seed 7]

Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

i'm sure they are just turning down the cream of the crop.

["storm"nut]

Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

i'm sure they are just turning down the cream of the crop.

The cream of the crop don't apply because the money is not there. Force them to spend money/fed grants for cops in schools increases.

[star seed 7]

Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

i'm sure they are just turning down the cream of the crop.

The cream of the crop don't apply because the money is not there. Force them to spend money/fed grants for cops in schools increases.

oh, hi tax increase.  oh what?  oh... hello tea party 

[nicname]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

It could stop them from shooting more people.

Maybe. Even if some teachers had guns, the outcome would depend heavily on which classroom the shooter decided to walk into, and then whether the teacher was the first target or not. As horrifying as these school shootings are, the death tolls are not as high as people make them out to be. I would argue that a shooter could easily take out 14 people (same # as Columbine) by shooting up a single classroom. The teacher carrying the gun would most likely be shot before he/she even knew what was going on.

I won't try to deny any of that. It could all happen. I do think it is folly to think of these things in isolated incidents.  Say there are 50 would be school shootings in a year.  If only one life was saved it would be worth it.  It wouldn't matter if it was saved from deterrence, shooting the perpetrator, or scaring them into stopping before they committed. 

["storm"nut]

Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

i'm sure they are just turning down the cream of the crop.

The cream of the crop don't apply because the money is not there. Force them to spend money/fed grants for cops in schools increases.

oh, hi tax increase.  oh what?  oh... hello tea party 

Grants payed for by a sin tax on firearms. Easy. Hell this is from me, a conservative. That is a tax I would enjoy paying.

[star seed 7]

Wouldn't it be easier and probably smarter to have law enforcement officers at all schools than to give guns to teachers?

Not a bad idea but I don't like the idea of introducing firearms to a environment such as a school. Specific train would need to be adopted for these officers and it should not be the over-the-hill 15 days till retirement types. It would almost have to be the best officers.

Really, the cop at my school was kind of weird for a few days, but you got used to him after a while. He really just sat at a desk by the entrance and read the paper. I didn't feel any safer, though I never really felt unsafe in the first place. I just think that in almost every case, the shooter ends up shooting himself at the end of his spree. So in what way does the possibility of getting shot by somebody else inhibit them? They aren't walking out of that building, regardless.

It could stop them from shooting more people.

Maybe. Even if some teachers had guns, the outcome would depend heavily on which classroom the shooter decided to walk into, and then whether the teacher was the first target or not. As horrifying as these school shootings are, the death tolls are not as high as people make them out to be. I would argue that a shooter could easily take out 14 people (same # as Columbine) by shooting up a single classroom. The teacher carrying the gun would most likely be shot before he/she even knew what was going on.

I won't try to deny any of that. It could all happen. I do think it is folly to think of these things in isolated incidents.  Say there are 50 would be school shootings in a year.  If only one life was saved it would be worth it.  It wouldn't matter if it was saved from deterrence, shooting the perpetrator, or scaring them into stopping before they committed.

but, banning all guns isn't worth potentially saving that 1 life?

[EMAWican]

Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

i'm sure they are just turning down the cream of the crop.

The cream of the crop don't apply because the money is not there. Force them to spend money/fed grants for cops in schools increases.

oh, hi tax increase.  oh what?  oh... hello tea party 

Grants payed for by a sin tax on firearms. Easy. Hell this is from me, a conservative. That is a tax I would enjoy paying.

Meanwhile, just down the street, a mentally ill shooter is mowing down 15 men/women/children at a bank, a doctor's office, theater, walking down the street, etc.

[steve dave]

Well maybe police forces should hire better officers to make up the void.

i'm sure they are just turning down the cream of the crop.

The cream of the crop don't apply because the money is not there. Force them to spend money/fed grants for cops in schools increases.

oh, hi tax increase.  oh what?  oh... hello tea party 

Grants payed for by a sin tax on firearms. Easy. Hell this is from me, a conservative. That is a tax I would enjoy paying.

Meanwhile, just down the street, a mentally ill shooter is mowing down 15 men/women/children at a bank, a doctor's office, theater, walking down the street, etc.

your argument isn't really supporting the side you think it is fwiw

[michigancat]

why not develop a gun test like a drivers license test and require yearly exams?

I cannot believe this isn't already a thing

You know what I needed to do to own a gun? Win a raffle. That is it.

like, every year you have to show up at the police station or whatever and take your gun test. you also have to have all of your guns with you for your yearly registration and tax payment for each gun. if you are ever caught with a non-registered gun you lose your gun license and all of your guns are confiscated. guns cannot be sold by private parties. all transactions have to go through a registered and licensed gun dealer. all assault weapons, large capacity guns, etc. are illegal and confiscated through some sort of amnesty thing like was mentioned above. if you are caught with one you lose your gun license for life and all other guns are confiscated. the gun tax money funds mental health, security measures, etc. if a gun registered to you is used in any crime or accidental shooting you are fined and lose your gun owning license.

I like this. It doesn't take away a civil liberty, but it seems to regulate with a little common sense. Especially the responsibility for ownership. We hold adults responsible if they sell alcohol to kids, do we do the same for gun owners who sell/let guns fall into the hands of thugs and criminals*? Don't know, but probably not enough.

*reference to this:

[HeinBallz]

damn it guys; SD pitched the sin-tax idea.  The guy everyone here thinks is a lunatic gun nut, Me, thinks it's a good idea.

We solved this problem - time to move on to some other horrible thing.

/THREAD.