Another school shooting

[gatoveintisiete]

It comes down to what are we willing to do to save a life, and driving 10mph down the freeway and giving up our right to bear arms and protect ourselves are two things americans will not do, just a little perspective.

[Dugout DickStone]

We have to figure out a way so some disturbed idiot who has a bad day and decides "eff it" cannot massacre 20 little kids by just squeezing a trigger.  We simply have to.  I don't want your goddam guns, I have hunting guns myself but eff, this guy just got mad and had access to killing machines that allowed him to freak out and kill 20 little kids with so little effort or planning.

Read again, 20 little kids watched some psycho train a pistol on them and end their lives.  That is mumped.  That is mumped in such a huge way that it cannot be overstated.

He had a bad day, among many I am sure he had, and had access to something that allowed him to ruin thousands of lives.  If it means Jimmy pistol lover in Oklahoma can't own 35 Glocks, I'm happy to hurt his feelings.

Move to pit

[ChiComCat]

Giving up the right to bear arms represents protecting a hobby/peoples right to defend themselves.  Saying that is equal to cars which are essential to our economy shows that you have no perspective.

[steve dave]

Why are there two threads on this with the exact same title on two different threads? Maybe it's been asked before. Haven't gone through the other one.

tried to keep the gun control stuff in one place and the tragedy stuff in another but it was impossible to police. apologies.

[HeinBallz]

We have to figure out a way so some disturbed idiot who has a bad day and decides "eff it" cannot massacre 20 little kids by just squeezing a trigger.  We simply have to.  I don't want your goddam guns, I have hunting guns myself but eff, this guy just got mad and had access to killing machines that allowed him to freak out and kill 20 little kids with so little effort or planning.

Read again, 20 little kids watched some psycho train a pistol on them and end their lives.  That is mumped.  That is mumped in such a huge way that it cannot be overstated.

He had a bad day, among many I am sure he had, and had access to something that allowed him to ruin thousands of lives.  If it means Jimmy pistol lover in Oklahoma can't own 35 Glocks, I'm happy to hurt his feelings.

Move to pit

Only read the bold section then stopped reading because I agree completely.   I have to wonder if the same things that are causing unwanted pregnancies to be aborted, countless suicides caused by depression, domestic disputes/violence, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, sex abuse, various other addictions and whatever disgusting thing within our society are all created by the same things that cause such a horrendous event that occurred today.   

A total paradigm shift is needed.  Emphasis needs to be put on creating healthy environments for kids to grow up in so that these things don't happen. At the very least people taking individual responsibility to have a positive impact on single parent families/ families in poverty/etc.   It's clear there is a sickness in our society that leads people down these horrible paths and the only thing I can think to fix any of these tragedies to reach out to our own kids - our neighbors kids - our nieces & nephews and allow them to feel what it's like to be loved unconditionally.  Allow them to have a positive influence in their life - someone to go to when they're troubled or in need of help to sort out their depression, anxiety, & anger.  We can't turn our back on anyone and we need to eliminate the hypocrisy in our society.  We can't teach our kids that hitting is wrong and simultaneously support violence in any other form.

[gatoveintisiete]

Giving up the right to bear arms represents protecting a hobby/peoples right to defend themselves.  Saying that is equal to cars which are essential to our economy shows that you have no perspective.

One needlessly dead guy=another needlessly dead guy.  Our society has calculated how much of this it will tolerate happening in its daily business, I am comfortable with the current balance.  Terrible things happen, have always happened, and will always happen.

[puniraptor]

I'm starting to think maybe we should destigmatize suicide a bit. Maybe a PSA campaign "kill yourself. Before you kill someone else." Seems shitty fighting tragedy with tragedy like that, by maybe it could help.

[puniraptor]

Giving up the right to bear arms represents protecting a hobby/peoples right to defend themselves.  Saying that is equal to cars which are essential to our economy shows that you have no perspective.

One needlessly dead guy=another needlessly dead guy.  Our society has calculated how much of this it will tolerate happening in its daily business, I am comfortable with the current balance.  Terrible things happen, have always happened, and will always happen.

eff that.

[steve dave]

Gun owners should have to undergo invasive physical and psychological inspections before being able to purchase a gun. Each time they want to purchase one. And again 5 months into their gun buying gestation period. To make sure they know what they are doing.

[Barry McCockner]

BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

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So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

[puniraptor]

Gun owners should have to undergo invasive physical and psychological inspections before being able to purchase a gun. Each time they want to purchase one. And again 5 months into their gun buying gestation period. To make sure they know what they are doing.

There should be a mandatory intensive training course. And they should have to memorize and recite an oath. And then swear by that oath.

[puniraptor]

America has a murder fetish. Every single day on TV millions of people watch at least 100 fictional characters get murdered.

[HeinBallz]

Gun owners should have to undergo invasive physical and psychological inspections before being able to purchase a gun. Each time they want to purchase one. And again 5 months into their gun buying gestation period. To make sure they know what they are doing.

There should be a mandatory intensive training course. And they should have to memorize and recite an oath. And then swear by that oath.

It would have to be every member of the gun owners household.   Today's tragedy was carried out with guns legally purchased by his mother.

[steve dave]

Giving up the right to bear arms represents protecting a hobby/peoples right to defend themselves.  Saying that is equal to cars which are essential to our economy shows that you have no perspective.

One needlessly dead guy=another needlessly dead guy.  Our society has calculated how much of this it will tolerate happening in its daily business, I am comfortable with the current balance.  Terrible things happen, have always happened, and will always happen.

some of us would like to do something about it. you don't need to, nobody will miss you.

[puniraptor]

Biometric controls so the gun can only be fired by the Oath Taker.

[steve dave]

BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

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So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

how in the eff has gun ownership become more restrictive? I can go buy a gun this very moment with no pre-requisites other than I have money.

[steve dave]

Biometric controls so the gun can only be fired by the Oath Taker.

required anal probe linked to brain to make sure they understand the importance of their decision

[Dugout DickStone]

I will find and Sidewinder punch the next idiot who brings up abortion or drug laws in this thread.

The guns used were his mother's.  he didn't go buy them.  They were just laying around.  With ammo.  The easy ability to take life at will is just insane.  I don't have an answer but Jfc, this is just the worst.   

I cannot imagine sending your 5 year old to kindergarten and having them shot. 

[steve dave]

The guns used were his mother's.  he didn't go buy them.  They were just laying around.  With ammo.  The easy ability to take life at will is just insane.

There should be about 1% as many guns in this gun freak country.

[MakeItRain]

Look what happens without guns:

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-man-slashes-22-children-near-china-school-20121214,0,6383015.story

Notice the body count.

What the eff is your point man?  Should we compare the number of people killed with knives in China to those killed with guns in America?  We have 700,000,000 less people in America than they do in China. I'm willing to bet you anything that we have more gun deaths than they have knife deaths.  Name the terms and take the bet.

Second spree killing this week, the only thing that prevented more deaths in Portland was a jammed gun.  Were there multiple spree stabbings in China this year?

JFC you are on a rampage. My point was this dude went on a killing spree and since he only had a knife and not a gun NOONE GOT KILLED.

Sorry, I should have stated my point I guess.

no, that was my fault, I am just incredibly angry and I was on my way out the door when I posted.  Knowing who you are I should have given you the benefit of the doubt AND read the article.

I'm very sorry puni

[Dugout DickStone]

I'm starting to think maybe we should destigmatize suicide a bit. Maybe a PSA campaign "kill yourself. Before you kill someone else." Seems shitty fighting tragedy with tragedy like that, by maybe it could help.

Not as crazy as it sounds.

[Dugout DickStone]

The guns used were his mother's.  he didn't go buy them.  They were just laying around.  With ammo.  The easy ability to take life at will is just insane.

There should be about 1% as many guns in this gun freak country.

Can't unbreak an egg.  There are millions of guns laying all over.  But pretending that yelling about good parenting and morals is the same as doing nothing.

[steve dave]

Need to start cleaning up that egg

[MakeItRain]

BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

Sent from my SGH-T999 using Tapatalk 2

So what I'm hearing is that even though gun ownership has become more restrictive in recent years, mass shootings are increasing.

There's no rough ridin' way you believe that, no one can be that moronic.  Hein, storm, &  gato and their dumbass analogies aren't that stupid.

[Dugout DickStone]

Need to start cleaning up that egg

Really tough egg to clean up.  It's down in that carpet and it stinks.