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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #251 on: December 14, 2012, 06:17:02 PM »
Regardless of the gun control debate or social/parental upbringing, I would just like to say this guy is a rough ridin' coward.

Have some nuts. If you want to go play billy badass, go pick on somebody your on size. Seriously, what does slaughtering kid's in a classroom prove? I don't think this guy was mentally ill and who knows what statement he was trying to make. Was he just pissed at the world? Coward. Right up there with suicide bombers.

The gunman, identified as Adam Lanza, 20, was also found dead at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, law enforcement officials said. Officials initially told NBC News the gunman was Lanza's brother, Ryan, who is cooperating with investigators and said Adam has a history of mental illness, according to a senior official.

His brother will say whatever helps him clear his conscious. If he was this wacko, he should have been institutionalized.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #252 on: December 14, 2012, 06:34:07 PM »
hey guys, this is a really great debate that we need to continue, but you know what we could be doing in the meantime? requiring that every motherfucking school install a motherfucking secured entryway in the next 90 days. can someone give me 1 good reason why we shouldn't do that now?  like right now? tomorrow?
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #253 on: December 14, 2012, 06:52:44 PM »
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Report: Official says Connecticut school shootings suspect killed his mother at their home, then drove to school - @AP http://bit.ly/U0G5zl

Ugh. I thought he at least had a reason to be at the school and then just opened fire.  If he drove to the school just to kill children, just, holy crap.  :barf:

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #254 on: December 14, 2012, 06:59:25 PM »
I can't stop thinking, "This would never happen where my kids go to school. Would it?"


I was listening to ESPN radio this afternoon and the hosts were talking about it.  They mentioned how we live in an insulated world where we hear about these things and then go on about our day. Then they started talking about how there are 7000 employees at ESPN and one of the guys said that there was no doubt that he knows someone directly effected by the shooting as it happened 30 minutes away from the studios in Bristol. 

This is probably the saddest tragedy based on senseless violence in my life.  I mean, why an elementary school? It sickens my stomach just thinking about it.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #255 on: December 14, 2012, 07:01:54 PM »
I can't stop thinking, "This would never happen where my kids go to school. Would it?"

They are probably more likely to get struck by lightning than actually end up in a situation like this. It definitely could happen, though. Pretty scary stuff.
Not kids in a school related but this is why I have a CCL. I'm not going to allow it to happen to me.

I think that stricter punishments and laws should be passed for anyone convicted of violent crime, assault, etc.  I have no problems making it easier for responsible, law-abiding citizens to do as Gooch has. 
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #256 on: December 14, 2012, 07:04:25 PM »
hey guys, this is a really great debate that we need to continue, but you know what we could be doing in the meantime? requiring that every motherfucking school install a motherfucking secured entryway in the next 90 days. can someone give me 1 good reason why we shouldn't do that now?  like right now? tomorrow?

If you're goal is to stop gun violence in schools - then absolutely.  Guns don't belong in certain places - schools are one of those places.  I can see no argument against this and it's certainly much more rational and logical than rubber bullets, banning guns, or trying to legislate new laws that would prevent someone from breaking existing laws.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #257 on: December 14, 2012, 07:05:37 PM »
Why is this conversation still happening?  Is it because getting rid of every gun/bullet/bomb is actually easier than being a good parent or social role model?

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It sucks being a sane responsible gun owner and having one of my hobbies being threatened because of a few peoples horrible actions.

A person on facebook posted this:

If roads were collapsing all across the United States, killing dozens of drivers, we would surely see that as a moment to talk about what we could do to keep roads from collapsing. If terrorists were detonating bombs in port after port, you can be sure Congress would be working to upgrade the nation’s security measures. If a plague was ripping through communities, public-health officials would be working feverishly to contain it.

They brought up an interesting point here. Because gun violence happens in a spectacular fashion it appears to be so much worse than 5-10 people dieing a day in car wrecks.


Unruly having a hobby is not collateral enough for me to be ok with mass shootings that are becoming more constant.

And also, it is extremely difficult for legal citizens in Mexico to own firearms.  It looks like it is doing wonders for violence down there.  :rolleyes:
Completely irrelevant. Thining that is the only difference between Mexico and the US that contributes to gun violence is a ridiculous simplification.  Poverty, lack of law enforcement and corruption is what makes Mexico unsafe.


Do you drink alcohol, or drive a car? Because more people die from that every year than guns.

Look at a country like Switzerland which has extremely loose gun control laws, and nearly 75ish% of people conceal carry there.  They have a really low gun crime rate.

Something absolutely terrible happened today. I am in no way trying to discount that, but pointing that the GUN is the problem is the same thing as saying McDonalds makes you fat.

An evil person committed an evil act. I think that there needs to be much, much stricter rules in purchasing a gun.

I live in Mississippi and I tried to purchase a gun with my KS drivers license and they wouldn't let me. The next day I got a MS DL and went back to the shop. Put my money down and in 10 mins walked out with the gun.

I don't know what the solution is this problem, but taking guns away from everyone is really not the answer.

As for the Mexico it is a little simplified but the point was made, but after working with several people that moved to the US from Mexico they wished they were able to purchase a firearm to defend their house with because as it stands they had nothing.




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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #258 on: December 14, 2012, 07:08:11 PM »
hey guys, this is a really great debate that we need to continue, but you know what we could be doing in the meantime? requiring that every motherfucking school install a motherfucking secured entryway in the next 90 days. can someone give me 1 good reason why we shouldn't do that now?  like right now? tomorrow?

If you're goal is to stop gun violence in schools - then absolutely.  Guns don't belong in certain places - schools are one of those places.  I can see no argument against this and it's certainly much more rational and logical than rubber bullets, banning guns, or trying to legislate new laws that would prevent someone from breaking existing laws.

There are already laws in place in almost (if not all) CCL states that guns in schools are strictly prohibited.  I don't think the law is going to stop a psycho piece of crap who has the sole intent of mass murder.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #259 on: December 14, 2012, 07:22:58 PM »
Why are there two threads on this with the exact same title on two different threads? Maybe it's been asked before. Haven't gone through the other one.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #260 on: December 14, 2012, 07:26:16 PM »
I'm not trying to be insensitive so early after this tragedy, but thought this was interesting.

http://www.voanews.com/content/man-stabs-22-children-at-chinese-elementary-school/1564820.html

It is about a scumbag in China that did the same thing today with knives. 



Today makes me weep for all victims of violence, whether domestic, military, or of any other kind.  People are brutally killed and abused every day and their cases go virtually unnoticed.  It hurts my heart.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #261 on: December 14, 2012, 07:29:52 PM »
I mean, we had a national conversation and banned 4 Loko in what? 3 weeks? Lets do that with assault rifles.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #262 on: December 14, 2012, 07:34:30 PM »
I mean, we had a national conversation and banned 4 Loko in what? 3 weeks? Lets do that with assault rifles.

Well, yea, but 4 loko was dangerous

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #263 on: December 14, 2012, 07:38:45 PM »
I mean, we had a national conversation and banned 4 Loko in what? 3 weeks? Lets do that with assault rifles.

Well, yea, but 4 loko was dangerous

These 2 posts back to back, man.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #264 on: December 14, 2012, 07:39:38 PM »

Because I pointed out how absurd your rush to crime in your hyopthetical scenario was? Seriously, unless rich people go around with there sporting rifles, how are they going to get beat up for them? These aren't handguns we are talking about.

No, because we're talking about what happened today.  This guy didn't get pissed, find a gun laying around & spontaneously murder 30 people.  He planned this out - he would have found the tools necessary to carry out his deeds.  If robbing some rich dude was what was needed, or buying it off of the black market, or building it himself - he likely would have done it weeks or years in advance.  Granted, we're talking hypothetical - but I felt no need to respond to some asinine twisting of my words suggesting that a crime of passion would necessitate logging onto the internet, exchanging goods/services for bitcoins, purchasing illegal firearms and committing this crime of passion several weeks later.  You and anyone else parroting these sentiments are making yourself look foolish and do not warrant a response.


Yeah no, you can't dodge this. Your ilk are the ones that like to point out outlawing guns wouldn't remove all of them, so it's stupid to try. When I point out numerous European countries have very strict gun laws, and much greater access to healthcare services and stronger social safety nets have far, far fewer gun deaths, you can't wave your hands and pretend they can't be compared to the U.S.

For instance, Canada actually has twice the assault rate as the U.S.:

http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Canada/United-States/Crime

but the homicide rate in the U.S. is nearly 3 times greater:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Actually I can avoid addressing this - your own response replied with "countries with greater access to healthcare services and stronger social safety nets have far, far fewer gun deaths."  So surely you can see the argument I'm making; especially when there is an example of a country that experiences similar lower crime & violence rates, yet still have greater gun freedoms than we do.  Maybe a social study should be inclusive to this data and compare it to all countries with lower crime rates.  Perhaps if Canada had stronger healthcare & social safety structures, they would see a decrease in violence across the board.


Look, we all want the same thing - less violence and less senseless killing.   I don't see how anyone can object to more freedom,  more understanding, more love - all within an effort to create less violence.   I'm not sure how I've been labeled the gun nut - all I've ever genuinely preached here is looking at the problem as a whole and not jumping to irrational conclusions based off of fear.
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #265 on: December 14, 2012, 07:40:42 PM »
I mean, we had a national conversation and banned 4 Loko in what? 3 weeks? Lets do that with assault rifles.

Well, yea, but 4 loko was dangerous

These 2 posts back to back, man.

Yes, well done to both of you.

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« Reply #266 on: December 14, 2012, 07:48:28 PM »
BTW, I love when people react to mass shootings by saying the classic, "If we take away guns it would be just as easy for some crazy person to build a fertilizer bomb and kill a bunch of people."  If it's really that easy, then why aren't more people doing it? The last time I heard of a fertilizer bomb causing a mass killing in America was 1994. Isn't it supposedly really easy? If it's just as easy, then why have I heard of zero of those types of mass killings in the last 18 years, but there have been probably over a dozen school shootings in the same amount of time? Oh right, because it's actually really really really really really really really hard to pull off. Way harder than causing mayhem with a gun.

Weird.

Numbers heard on radio today: 

There have been 7 mass public shootings un the US this year. Most ever

There have been twice as many public mass shootings in the US since 1997 as all the mass shootings in our country prior to 1997.

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what exactly has changed in the last year that has caused this all time high in gun violence?  Did guns and ammo become free overnight?  Is it easier to get a gun now than it was 10 years ago?  Maybe it's the economy? :dunno:

I do find it funny though, that the last time the US had an assault weapons ban, some maniac filled a UHaul with fertilizer and killed 168 people, including 19 infants.    Why did he do it?  He said it was because he felt like he was lied to when he signed up for the Army.  He was told he was being a patriot by going over to the middle east and killing brown people that threatened democracy in the US.  He was promised respect - and he was lied to.

If only he had a gun, he may have killed less people.   See how irrational and illogical this talking point is?
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« Reply #267 on: December 14, 2012, 07:55:08 PM »
Until you are ready to lower the speed limit to 10mph. and eliminate all of the automobile related fatalities in this country overnight, you need to realize you have bigger fish to fry than gun control. 
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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #268 on: December 14, 2012, 07:56:48 PM »
define an assault weapon please.  People object to assault weapons bans, because the people talking about them know nothing about guns. 
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Re: pro tip: for dumbasses brought out by school shooting
« Reply #269 on: December 14, 2012, 07:57:05 PM »
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Re: pro tip: for dumbasses brought out by school shooting
« Reply #270 on: December 14, 2012, 07:57:46 PM »
yeah... that doesn't help.  :facepalm:
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Re: pro tip: for dumbasses brought out by school shooting
« Reply #271 on: December 14, 2012, 08:01:46 PM »
cat27, read the other 2 threads about the school shooting. It will explain why no one is going to listen to you.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #272 on: December 14, 2012, 08:23:43 PM »
Why are there two threads on this with the exact same title on two different threads? Maybe it's been asked before. Haven't gone through the other one.

steve dave split the thread when discussion of gun control began. however, i believe both threads now have talk of gun control.

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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #273 on: December 14, 2012, 08:28:40 PM »
define an assault weapon please.  People object to assault weapons bans, because the people talking about them know nothing about guns.


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Re: Another school shooting
« Reply #274 on: December 14, 2012, 08:29:18 PM »

Also an interesting watch from 2009...



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