Another school shooting

[michigancat]

Do we even care if fewer than 10 die? I mean we didn't really care enough to do anything after Uvalde or Sandy Hook so why discuss these small school shooting death tolls

[Cire]

price of freedom

[CNS]

Do we even care if fewer than 10 die? I mean we didn't really care enough to do anything after Uvalde or Sandy Hook so why discuss these small school shooting death tolls

The goal posts definitely need to move since that's all we do anymore with anything.

[Pete]

This one is a girl, that’s a new one!

[Stupid Fitz]

This one is a girl, that’s a new one!

Pete, do I have news for you

[mocat]

do you guys remember how big of a deal columbine was? absolutely wild

[michigancat]

do you guys remember how big of a deal columbine was? absolutely wild

Only 12 deaths including the shooters!

[Stupid Fitz]

do you guys remember how big of a deal columbine was? absolutely wild

Yep, that was back when the news/people cared about it for more than the afternoon the shooting occurred.

[DQ12]

This one is a girl, that’s a new one!

Plus not an assault rifle.

This one being a girl is very interesting.  The one common denominator (or at least one of the common denominators) in all of these is that the shooter is way deep into the rabbit hole on obscure BBSs/Discords.  I don't really get it, but that seems like a pretty big red flag indicator.  Probably something to do with putting less importance on real (face-to-face) interactions and placing a disproportionate importance on the weird dialogue of whatever BBS they're obsessed with.  IDK, I'm not a psychologist.

[Spracne]

This one is a girl, that’s a new one!

Plus not an assault rifle.

This one being a girl is very interesting.  The one common denominator (or at least one of the common denominators) in all of these is that the shooter is way deep into the rabbit hole on obscure BBSs/Discords.  I don't really get it, but that seems like a pretty big red flag indicator.  Probably something to do with putting less importance on real (face-to-face) interactions and placing a disproportionate importance on the weird dialogue of whatever BBS they're obsessed with.  IDK, I'm not a psychologist.

But everyone has an online life, and the younger the person, the more active that online life tends to be. After all, we are all active participants in an obscure BBS.

I can think of a potentially more salient common denominator, though: easy access to firearms. In this case, you even have a Dale Gribble-type father encouraging interest in guns. 

[Cartierfor3]

he said one of the common denominators

[Spracne]

he said one of the common denominators

And I said a potentially more salient common denominator. I can read.

[Cartierfor3]

ok dude sheesh

[wetwillie]

I thought we were charging adults for crimes committed with their guns by minors

[waks]

I thought we were charging adults for crimes committed with their guns by minors

Would be a good start for sure.

[steve dave]

Common ground


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[DQ12]

This one is a girl, that’s a new one!

Plus not an assault rifle.

This one being a girl is very interesting.  The one common denominator (or at least one of the common denominators) in all of these is that the shooter is way deep into the rabbit hole on obscure BBSs/Discords.  I don't really get it, but that seems like a pretty big red flag indicator.  Probably something to do with putting less importance on real (face-to-face) interactions and placing a disproportionate importance on the weird dialogue of whatever BBS they're obsessed with.  IDK, I'm not a psychologist.

But everyone has an online life, and the younger the person, the more active that online life tends to be. After all, we are all active participants in an obscure BBS.

I can think of a potentially more salient common denominator, though: easy access to firearms. In this case, you even have a Dale Gribble-type father encouraging interest in guns.

Yes, we all have an online life.  And by that same token, we all have relatively easy access to firearms.

If you don’t know what I meant by “way deep into the rabbit hole” I can try and explain what I’m talking about in more detail.

[mocat]

This one is a girl, that’s a new one!

Plus not an assault rifle.

This one being a girl is very interesting.  The one common denominator (or at least one of the common denominators) in all of these is that the shooter is way deep into the rabbit hole on obscure BBSs/Discords.  I don't really get it, but that seems like a pretty big red flag indicator.  Probably something to do with putting less importance on real (face-to-face) interactions and placing a disproportionate importance on the weird dialogue of whatever BBS they're obsessed with.  IDK, I'm not a psychologist.

But everyone has an online life, and the younger the person, the more active that online life tends to be. After all, we are all active participants in an obscure BBS.

I can think of a potentially more salient common denominator, though: easy access to firearms. In this case, you even have a Dale Gribble-type father encouraging interest in guns.

Yes, we all have an online life.  And by that same token, we all have relatively easy access to firearms.

If you don’t know what I meant by “way deep into the rabbit hole” I can try and explain what I’m talking about in more detail.

Do kids in other countries have access to obscure discords?

[Dugout DickStone]

This one is a girl, that’s a new one!

Plus not an assault rifle.

This one being a girl is very interesting.  The one common denominator (or at least one of the common denominators) in all of these is that the shooter is way deep into the rabbit hole on obscure BBSs/Discords.  I don't really get it, but that seems like a pretty big red flag indicator.  Probably something to do with putting less importance on real (face-to-face) interactions and placing a disproportionate importance on the weird dialogue of whatever BBS they're obsessed with.  IDK, I'm not a psychologist.

But everyone has an online life, and the younger the person, the more active that online life tends to be. After all, we are all active participants in an obscure BBS.

I can think of a potentially more salient common denominator, though: easy access to firearms. In this case, you even have a Dale Gribble-type father encouraging interest in guns.

Yes, we all have an online life.  And by that same token, we all have relatively easy access to firearms.

If you don’t know what I meant by “way deep into the rabbit hole” I can try and explain what I’m talking about in more detail.

Do kids in other countries have access to obscure discords?

Definitely

[steve dave]

I wish people could step back and objectively view how silly they look trying to find a cause of gun violence in the USA that isn't "guns". Dlew isn't doing this, he has noted the access to guns, but a lot of people spend a lot of time doing that dance.

[DQ12]

Yeah, I mean, obviously guns is a necessary element to the equation.  I'm all for finding a practical/realistic way to solve that problem.

Until we figure out a way to remove easy access to guns (which I'm sure will be very soon!), I think it's worth looking at the problem from some other angles too. Almost everyone in this country has easy access to guns, and almost nobody actually commits mass shootings.  So I think it's interesting and probably pretty important to figure out what the ones that do have in common.  And aside from some obvious ones (depression, isolation, suicidality, social rejection, etc.) one thing is that I think they all get super obsessed with fringe BBSs.   

And hell, maybe that's part of the secret sauce for the contemporary boom in these sorts of things.  In ye olden days, there were still plenty of guns around, but people who were social outcasts didn't feel emboldened enough to go out and do an unthinkably bold "final act."  They moreso just suffered in silence or felt isolated and that was it.  Now with fringe BBSs, there's a whole community for these social outcasts to have warped conversations and feel part of this broader, disgruntled community -- which gives them confidence (to do something bold) that their counterparts in the 1980s may not have had.  I don't know.  Just thinking out loud over here.

But yeah, this isn't to say that "guns" isn't a necessary ingredient here.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah, I mean, obviously guns is a necessary element to the equation.  I'm all for finding a practical/realistic way to solve that problem.

Until we figure out a way to remove easy access to guns (which I'm sure will be very soon!), I think it's worth looking at the problem from some other angles too. Almost everyone in this country has easy access to guns, and almost nobody actually commits mass shootings.  So I think it's interesting and probably pretty important to figure out what the ones that do have in common.  And one thing is that I think they all get super obsessed with fringe BBSs.

I'm not sure how prevalent fringe BBSs were in the early 2000s when these shootings really took off. I do think social media is a major contributor and we should probably get rid of it, though. And reinstating the assault weapons ban that passed in 1994 would also probably go a long way.

[DQ12]

Yeah, I mean, obviously guns is a necessary element to the equation.  I'm all for finding a practical/realistic way to solve that problem.

Until we figure out a way to remove easy access to guns (which I'm sure will be very soon!), I think it's worth looking at the problem from some other angles too. Almost everyone in this country has easy access to guns, and almost nobody actually commits mass shootings.  So I think it's interesting and probably pretty important to figure out what the ones that do have in common.  And one thing is that I think they all get super obsessed with fringe BBSs.

I'm not sure how prevalent fringe BBSs were in the early 2000s when these shootings really took off. I do think social media is a major contributor and we should probably get rid of it, though. And reinstating the assault weapons ban that passed in 1994 would also probably go a long way.

Harris and Klebold linked their personal computers on a network and played video games over the Internet. Harris created a set of levels for the game Doom, which later became known as the "Harris levels". The levels are downloadable over the internet through Doom WADs. Harris had a web presence under the handle "REB" (short for Rebel, a nod to the nickname of Columbine High's sports teams) and other online aliases, including "Rebldomakr", "Rebdoomer", and "Rebdomine". Klebold went by the names "VoDKa" and "VoDkA", after the alcoholic beverage. Harris had various websites that hosted Doom and Quake files, as well as team information for those with whom he gamed online. The sites openly espoused hatred for people in their neighborhood and the world in general. When the pair began experimenting with pipe bombs, they posted results of the explosions on the websites. The website was shut down by America Online after the shootings and was preserved for the FBI.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harris_and_Dylan_Klebold

:shrug:

It's pretty archaic stuff given it's 1999.  But the columbine kids being hyper-online weirdos (for 1999, at least) fits imo.

[nicname]

Yeah, I mean, obviously guns is a necessary element to the equation.  I'm all for finding a practical/realistic way to solve that problem.

Until we figure out a way to remove easy access to guns (which I'm sure will be very soon!), I think it's worth looking at the problem from some other angles too. Almost everyone in this country has easy access to guns, and almost nobody actually commits mass shootings.  So I think it's interesting and probably pretty important to figure out what the ones that do have in common.  And aside from some obvious ones (depression, isolation, suicidality, social rejection, etc.) one thing is that I think they all get super obsessed with fringe BBSs.   

And hell, maybe that's part of the secret sauce for the contemporary boom in these sorts of things.  In ye olden days, there were still plenty of guns around, but people who were social outcasts didn't feel emboldened enough to go out and do an unthinkably bold "final act."  They moreso just suffered in silence or felt isolated and that was it.  Now with fringe BBSs, there's a whole community for these social outcasts to have warped conversations and feel part of this broader, disgruntled community -- which gives them confidence (to do something bold) that their counterparts in the 1980s may not have had.  I don't know.  Just thinking out loud over here.

But yeah, this isn't to say that "guns" isn't a necessary ingredient here.

I would venture to say that even social outcasts weren’t really all that isolated prior to the advent of outlets that allow for one to be terminally online. Even outcasts weren’t out in the world, interacting with real people and being a part of humanity. That is no longer the case, the growth of access to radicalizing online spaces has been exponential, especially post 2010 or so as smartphones became more ubiquitous.

Fringe BBSs are one thing, but these same BBSs combined with algorithmic apps (TikTok, Twitter, YouTube, etc.) combine to devolve the human being into a disassociated, anxiety-ridden, paranoid, schizophrenic and delusional mess. This manifests itself in a variety of tragic ways; one of which culminates in people committing these types of heinous acts.

[Institutional Control]

Maybe the majority of human beings have always been disassociated, anxiety-ridden, paranoid, schizophrenic delusional messes, we just were unaware of it until the anonymity of the internet came along and embolden people to show their crazy side.