Another school shooting

[michigancat]

https://twitter.com/foxreports/status/1640726278297755649

Fire this Pope Francis lovin, lib!

Yeah, no one gives a eff. Andy Ogles woke up this morning and didn't give a solitary crap about those victims. He's trying to figure out how he's going to answer for that photo and this tweet that everyone keeps RTing.
https://twitter.com/RepOgles/status/1617333737682833409

I'm much more frustrated by non politicians who continue to elect people like Ogles because fear of niggers and trannies, matter much more than electing people who will vow to at least try to protect our children.

STOP RELYING ON THE SAME rough ridin' PEOPLE TO FIX A PROBLEM THEY'VE SHOWN NO INTEREST IN FIXING.

Not that anyone thought these people actually do care, but this is what not giving a solitary eff actually looks like.
https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1640893530682826752
I'm certain his district will easily reelect him

Of course they will reelect him, and it won't be close. School shootings and the reactions from politicians are barely newsworthy these days, it's just the price of living in America

[sonofdaxjones]

#blueanongE - We can only tolerate affirming thoughts

[Dugout DickStone]

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/29/health/us-children-gun-deaths-dg/index.html

Our militia is simply not well regulated

[I_have_purplewood]

I now think that dax is legit a lunatic.

yes, obviously.

as such, it continues to befuddle me why so many of you apparently find interacting with him to be entertaining.

I'll forget he's clearly deranged for a while but then every so often he types something new that is just astounding and it's like "what?????"

Like how does he think like he supposedly thinks and manage to function in a society???

. This is so priceless especially coming from a putz like you.  This forum should really be called "Group think at it's finest".

[Pete]

I'm interested to know whether the shooter was transitioning and having issues with testosterone levels. Was this aggravated by a "roid rage" effect?  We've seen people do some pretty horrendous things in those roid rage situations.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

https://twitter.com/foxreports/status/1640726278297755649

Fire this Pope Francis lovin, lib!

Yeah, no one gives a eff. Andy Ogles woke up this morning and didn't give a solitary crap about those victims. He's trying to figure out how he's going to answer for that photo and this tweet that everyone keeps RTing.
https://twitter.com/RepOgles/status/1617333737682833409

I'm much more frustrated by non politicians who continue to elect people like Ogles because fear of niggers and trannies, matter much more than electing people who will vow to at least try to protect our children.

STOP RELYING ON THE SAME rough ridin' PEOPLE TO FIX A PROBLEM THEY'VE SHOWN NO INTEREST IN FIXING.

Not that anyone thought these people actually do care, but this is what not giving a solitary eff actually looks like.
https://twitter.com/TheTNHoller/status/1640893530682826752
I'm certain his district will easily reelect him

he will indeed get easily re-elected. b/c he wants to protect the constitution. constitution doesn't say crap about your children not getting mowed down at school.

[MakeItRain]

I'm interested to know whether the shooter was transitioning and having issues with testosterone levels. Was this aggravated by a "roid rage" effect?  We've seen people do some pretty horrendous things in those roid rage situations.

No offense but this is kinda silly, Pete. There is a massive leap between roid rage and this crime. They reportedly had blueprints of the school, this was very much premeditated. That being said I've been dubious of the reports about their transition because I don't think a lot of it are from their parents, but it's been said the transition was a recent development.

I hope the talk of gender, sexuality, and transitioning is very limited, because it doesn't matter a bit, but I know it will be and already has been used by conservatives as a distraction from the actual issue.

[michigancat]

I'm interested to know whether the shooter was transitioning and having issues with testosterone levels. Was this aggravated by a "roid rage" effect?  We've seen people do some pretty horrendous things in those roid rage situations.

No offense but this is kinda silly, Pete. There is a massive leap between roid rage and this crime. They reportedly had blueprints of the school, this was very much premeditated. That being said I've been dubious of the reports about their transition because I don't think a lot of it are from their parents, but it's been said the transition was a recent development.

I hope the talk of gender, sexuality, and transitioning is very limited, because it doesn't matter a bit, but I know it will be and already has been used by conservatives as a distraction from the actual issue.

https://twitter.com/AriDrennen/status/1640919786766073856

[chum1]

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

[DQ12]

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yes, let's not talk about the factual reality that people are being convinced by lunatics that there's a genocide being committed against them, and thus they must go out and arm themselves.

#blueanon doesn't want to talk about this, and anybody who does is "blood thirsty". 

[Rage Against the McKee]

The people bringing up transgender would make sense to me if it didn't happen so often. That was the 38th mass shooting in March. No shootings yesterday or so far today, though. So that's nice.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

[sonofdaxjones]

We can only talk about motives of shooters if we're told that the perpetrator was from a political movement we don't like . . . #blueanon 

[chum1]

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

DQ I don't know if you're being serious or not here, but to spell it out for you, the problem with it, is that you get literally every single anchor on fox news making the point of "the trans community is here to kill your children". Which is exactly what they did. Not hyperbole. that's what they did. Their sole focus was on the fact that this was a trans person who carried out this attack.

And ya know what, while we're on the topic, okay, i'll indulge you. Lets say that this persons trans-ness was a contributing factor to their decision to commit this horrible act. okay. Last year there were 648 mass shootings. We seem to be well on our way to that this year, if not more. So if we have 1/648...yes that's 0.15%. Less than 1/5 of 1%. Does that seem statistically relevant to you? And if so, i'm curious why. B/c here's the thing if you make a list of "contributing factors to why someone does a mass shooting" I can guarantee you that "being trans or other trans-adjacent whatever" is going to be pretty much at the very bottom of that list. But yes, let's shape the narrative around the fact that this was a trans person. Really good idea. Let's get our idiot uncle who believes everything he sees on fox news to be gospel thinking that every trans (and while we're at it lets just throw in the rest of the LGBQ community in there they are monolithically a threat) person is out hunting for your children to kill them. let's just see how that plays out. probably very rationally, i'm sure. jfc

[Dugout DickStone]

I expect some vulture to offer a gun control compromise by making it illegal for trans/LGBTQ to own guns

[DQ12]

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.

I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

DQ I don't know if you're being serious or not here, but to spell it out for you, the problem with it, is that you get literally every single anchor on fox news making the point of "the trans community is here to kill your children". Which is exactly what they did. Not hyperbole. that's what they did. Their sole focus was on the fact that this was a trans person who carried out this attack.

And ya know what, while we're on the topic, okay, i'll indulge you. Lets say that this persons trans-ness was a contributing factor to their decision to commit this horrible act. okay. Last year there were 648 mass shootings. We seem to be well on our way to that this year, if not more. So if we have 1/648...yes that's 0.15%. Less than 1/5 of 1%. Does that seem statistically relevant to you? And if so, i'm curious why. B/c here's the thing if you make a list of "contributing factors to why someone does a mass shooting" I can guarantee you that "being trans or other trans-adjacent whatever" is going to be pretty much at the very bottom of that list. But yes, let's shape the narrative around the fact that this was a trans person. Really good idea. Let's get our idiot uncle who believes everything he sees on fox news to be gospel thinking that every trans (and while we're at it lets just throw in the rest of the LGBQ community in there they are monolithically a threat) person is out hunting for your children to kill them. let's just see how that plays out. probably very rationally, i'm sure. jfc

Yeah, I don't think anyone should be saying "the trans community is here to kill your children."  That's obviously a ridiculous/irresponsible/dangerous position.

I don't know why this person did it or whether the killer's gender identity or religion or just general, undefined rage, had anything to do with it, and I'm not sure anyone else in the public does at this point either.  I just think it's way too early for anyone to say whether any part of the killer's demographic had anything to do with anything (or not).  Comparing this instance to 650 "mass shootings" that happened last year seems like kind of apples and oranges -- this was an adult person who targeted and killed 9 year olds.  That doesn't really happen that often.  This one is pretty rare and grizzly, even by the US's poor track record.

[chum1]

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.

I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

If you're interested in solutions, you're interested in trends. Otherwise, it's just morbid curiosity or what Fox News is doing.

[DQ12]

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.

I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

If you're interested in solutions, you're interested in trends. Otherwise, it's just morbid curiosity or what Fox News is doing.

I think whenever a tragedy on this scale happens, morbid curiosity is pretty understandable. 

"What could have possible compelled a person to do something this awful?" seems like a pretty human question.

[michigancat]

this one isn't that rare or grizzly, is it? We are basically guaranteed a couple a year, it's just the new reality.

[DQ12]

this one isn't that rare or grizzly, is it? We are basically guaranteed a couple a year, it's just the new reality.

A 28 year old going into an elementary school to kill kids?  That doesn't happen all that often.  Certainly not 650 times a year or whatever.

[Dugout DickStone]

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.

I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

DQ I don't know if you're being serious or not here, but to spell it out for you, the problem with it, is that you get literally every single anchor on fox news making the point of "the trans community is here to kill your children". Which is exactly what they did. Not hyperbole. that's what they did. Their sole focus was on the fact that this was a trans person who carried out this attack.

And ya know what, while we're on the topic, okay, i'll indulge you. Lets say that this persons trans-ness was a contributing factor to their decision to commit this horrible act. okay. Last year there were 648 mass shootings. We seem to be well on our way to that this year, if not more. So if we have 1/648...yes that's 0.15%. Less than 1/5 of 1%. Does that seem statistically relevant to you? And if so, i'm curious why. B/c here's the thing if you make a list of "contributing factors to why someone does a mass shooting" I can guarantee you that "being trans or other trans-adjacent whatever" is going to be pretty much at the very bottom of that list. But yes, let's shape the narrative around the fact that this was a trans person. Really good idea. Let's get our idiot uncle who believes everything he sees on fox news to be gospel thinking that every trans (and while we're at it lets just throw in the rest of the LGBQ community in there they are monolithically a threat) person is out hunting for your children to kill them. let's just see how that plays out. probably very rationally, i'm sure. jfc

Yeah, I don't think anyone should be saying "the trans community is here to kill your children."  That's obviously a ridiculous/irresponsible/dangerous position.

I don't know why this person did it or whether the killer's gender identity or religion or just general, undefined rage, had anything to do with it, and I'm not sure anyone else in the public does at this point either.  I just think it's way too early for anyone to say whether any part of the killer's demographic had anything to do with anything (or not).  Comparing this instance to 650 "mass shootings" that happened last year seems like kind of apples and oranges -- this was an adult person who targeted and killed 9 year olds.  That doesn't really happen that often.  This one is pretty rare and grizzly, even by the US's poor track record.

Did the shooter attend that school?  I would start with that

[DQ12]

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.

I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

DQ I don't know if you're being serious or not here, but to spell it out for you, the problem with it, is that you get literally every single anchor on fox news making the point of "the trans community is here to kill your children". Which is exactly what they did. Not hyperbole. that's what they did. Their sole focus was on the fact that this was a trans person who carried out this attack.

And ya know what, while we're on the topic, okay, i'll indulge you. Lets say that this persons trans-ness was a contributing factor to their decision to commit this horrible act. okay. Last year there were 648 mass shootings. We seem to be well on our way to that this year, if not more. So if we have 1/648...yes that's 0.15%. Less than 1/5 of 1%. Does that seem statistically relevant to you? And if so, i'm curious why. B/c here's the thing if you make a list of "contributing factors to why someone does a mass shooting" I can guarantee you that "being trans or other trans-adjacent whatever" is going to be pretty much at the very bottom of that list. But yes, let's shape the narrative around the fact that this was a trans person. Really good idea. Let's get our idiot uncle who believes everything he sees on fox news to be gospel thinking that every trans (and while we're at it lets just throw in the rest of the LGBQ community in there they are monolithically a threat) person is out hunting for your children to kill them. let's just see how that plays out. probably very rationally, i'm sure. jfc

Yeah, I don't think anyone should be saying "the trans community is here to kill your children."  That's obviously a ridiculous/irresponsible/dangerous position.

I don't know why this person did it or whether the killer's gender identity or religion or just general, undefined rage, had anything to do with it, and I'm not sure anyone else in the public does at this point either.  I just think it's way too early for anyone to say whether any part of the killer's demographic had anything to do with anything (or not).  Comparing this instance to 650 "mass shootings" that happened last year seems like kind of apples and oranges -- this was an adult person who targeted and killed 9 year olds.  That doesn't really happen that often.  This one is pretty rare and grizzly, even by the US's poor track record.

Did the shooter attend that school?  I would start with that

Yeah.  I think that's been pretty well-established.

[catastrophe]

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.

I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

If you're interested in solutions, you're interested in trends. Otherwise, it's just morbid curiosity or what Fox News is doing.

I think whenever a tragedy on this scale happens, morbid curiosity is pretty understandable. 

"What could have possible compelled a person to do something this awful?" seems like a pretty human question.

It's fine to be curious about the motive, but at this point talking about the motive is pointless if we're truly interested in reducing the number of mass shootings (and especially at schools). Everyone knows the simplest solution to reducing the number of mass murders in America.

In this case, it's really no different than talking about trans kids in sports. Even though a meaningful conversation could be had, the people pushing the conversation have zero interest in having it. They're using it as a platform to spew fear and hate against a population they don't like. For that reason, I think the appropriate response is to just shut it down.

[DQ12]

I'm really not paying attention to this, but if people are bringing up transgender in this situation, it seems exactly the same as people bringing up homosexuality in cases of pedophilia.

Like, it's more than just subject changing, distraction, or scapegoating. It's opportunistic, unjustified villainization of minority groups they hate.

If the person's gender identity (or any other characteristic) informed their motive/target (which, I think it's probably too early to tell one way or the other), I don't know why bringing it up would be unjustified.

Saying with certainty that the trans element of this is important seems speculative.  But saying, with certainty, that it isn't seems speculative at this point too imo.

With the evidence we do have, pretty safe to say it's not a trend.

I don't know why "killing elementary school kids" needs to be a trend before we consider/talk about why it happened in this instance.  If we shouldn't ever talk about killer's motive (short of it becoming a trend) then that's a fine position to take if you want to I guess.

If you're interested in solutions, you're interested in trends. Otherwise, it's just morbid curiosity or what Fox News is doing.

I think whenever a tragedy on this scale happens, morbid curiosity is pretty understandable. 

"What could have possible compelled a person to do something this awful?" seems like a pretty human question.

It's fine to be curious about the motive, but at this point talking about the motive is pointless if we're truly interested in reducing the number of mass shootings (and especially at schools). Everyone knows the simplest solution to reducing the number of mass murders in America.

In this case, it's really no different than talking about trans kids in sports. Even though a meaningful conversation could be had, the people pushing the conversation have zero interest in having it. They're using it as a platform to spew fear and hate against a population they don't like.

That's all fair.  And to be honest, it's really too early to have any conversation about it.  We don't know why the person did it, and guessing at this point is just speculative.