Another school shooting

[sys]

the republicans and the nra are never going to agree that buying more guns is bonkers. the whole thing about arming teachers is nothing other than the nra and gun manufacturers wanting to sell more guns.

so if you want an actual conspiracy theory, how about this....the shooter was planted by the nra in effort to convince the American public that 20% of teachers need to be equipped with guns. do the math on that one and how many more guns would need to be made and sold for it to happen.

good lord.  sometimes i feel like spracne and i are the last sane humans left in the united states.

[CHONGS]

I'm here sys.  That's why there's only one set of footprints.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Allowing teachers to carry, subject to appropriate safeguards, probably wouldn't hurt and might even help. It's not going to solve the problem but that doesn't mean it couldn't be beneficial. The majority of teachers would refuse to carry, but that's hardly the point. Even a few armed staff in each school might save lives.

One cowardly security guard in one instance does not disprove that. There are armed people who fail to intervene in such horrible situations (even if it is there job), and there are also heroes like these who do just the opposite.

As for the NRA "conspiracy" to sell more guns by arming teachers, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I suspect the single biggest driver of gun sales are the liberals' periodic crusades for more gun control.

[DQ12]

I don't love the idea of some of my teachers in high school being given guns.

[sys]

I'm here sys.  That's why there's only one set of footprints.

i knew spracne was a sock, but i'm disappointed to find out i am as well.

[Joker]

Examples of what the FBI could have done.

The officer, Marino Chavez, overheard a 17-year-old student say he was going to launch an attack within three weeks, he said at a news conference. Chavez questioned the student, who claimed it was a joke, he said.

Investigators detained the student and issued a search warrant of his home, Los Angeles County Sheriff Jim McDonnell said. Authorities seized two AR-15 rifles and two handguns, along with about 90 rifle magazines each capable of holding 30 rounds, though they could not say how many were loaded at the time.

McDonnell said he believed the student had an “extensive” discipline history and was “moving in the direction” of an attack.

The teen was arrested for making a criminal threat. The student, who is being held without bail, remains unidentified due to being a minor, McDonnell said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/02/21/school-shooting-thwarted-thanks-to-a-security-guards-tip-police-say/?utm_term=.bc832554ac8b

Multiple weapons were found in the bedroom of a teenager accused of threatening to carry out a shooting at a Fayette County high school.

According to police, a 14-year-old male was arrested around 8 p.m. Thursday.

A student heard the suspect make the threat on the bus and told their parents, who then contacted police. Acting on that tip, police went to a home in Henry Clay Township to interview the parents and suspect.

Through the course of their investigation, troopers learned the suspect had planned to target four students at the school on Friday.

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2018/01/26/uniontown-high-school-shooting-threat-arrest/

[ChiComCat]

I don't think that it's a conspiracy that the NRA is trying to sell more guns with the teacher plan.  They are blatantly trying to do it.  Their answer to everything is more guns.  Need to stop a bad guy?  More guns.  School shooting?  We need more guns in there.

K-S-U takes this as policy as opposed to the joke it is.

[Phil Titola]

Allowing teachers to carry, subject to appropriate safeguards, probably wouldn't hurt and might even help. It's not going to solve the problem but that doesn't mean it couldn't be beneficial. The majority of teachers would refuse to carry, but that's hardly the point. Even a few armed staff in each school might save lives.

One cowardly security guard in one instance does not disprove that. There are armed people who fail to intervene in such horrible situations (even if it is there job), and there are also heroes like these who do just the opposite.

As for the NRA "conspiracy" to sell more guns by arming teachers, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I suspect the single biggest driver of gun sales are the liberals' periodic crusades for more gun control.

He was a cop not a security guard.

It might hurt and probably won't help for so many reasons. Run your brain around a administrator in your old HS carrying a gun and the logistics around a shooter coming into the school....it's literally a recipe for a bigger tragedy

[Dr Rick Daris]

the republicans and the nra are never going to agree that buying more guns is bonkers. the whole thing about arming teachers is nothing other than the nra and gun manufacturers wanting to sell more guns.

so if you want an actual conspiracy theory, how about this....the shooter was planted by the nra in effort to convince the American public that 20% of teachers need to be equipped with guns. do the math on that one and how many more guns would need to be made and sold for it to happen.

good lord.  sometimes i feel like spracne and i are the last sane humans left in the united states.

just a joke bud. should've used italics. the whole part about arming teachers isn't though. more guns is always going to be the answer from the nra. they sell guns for a living.

[Spracne]

the republicans and the nra are never going to agree that buying more guns is bonkers. the whole thing about arming teachers is nothing other than the nra and gun manufacturers wanting to sell more guns.

so if you want an actual conspiracy theory, how about this....the shooter was planted by the nra in effort to convince the American public that 20% of teachers need to be equipped with guns. do the math on that one and how many more guns would need to be made and sold for it to happen.

good lord.  sometimes i feel like spracne and i are the last sane humans left in the united states.

just a joke bud. should've used italics. the whole part about arming teachers isn't though. more guns is always going to be the answer from the nra. they sell guns for a living.

No they don't. But if they did, they'd want a Democrat in the oval office. Gun sales have bottomed out under the Trump administration. Shoot (lol), didn't Remington just enter into restructuring?

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[Dr Rick Daris]

the nra doesn't want to sell more guns? arming 20% of teachers with guns wouldn't sell more guns? also how does having a democrat in office have anything to do with either of those two things. i'm completely lost. I fell like you have a point to make and it's probably a valid one but i'm not sure what it has to do with mine.

[sys]

daris, for at least the last decade (dunno previous) gun sales have spiked when democrats gain some power because gun dudes think they have to hurry and buy all the guns they're going to want for the rest of their lives before they get banned.

[Spracne]

the nra doesn't want to sell more guns? arming 20% of teachers with guns wouldn't sell more guns? also how does having a democrat in office have anything to do with either of those two things. i'm completely lost. I fell like you have a point to make and it's probably a valid one but i'm not sure what it has to do with mine.

They don't sell guns. Nor do they sell guns "for a living." Their funds come from membership dues. While gun manufacturers may be big contributors, they are not the main stakeholders in the organization. The NRA was founded as an organization to teach youth about gun safety. No doubt they are a massive lobbying force, but their interests could easily be explained by the interests of their members.

My point is that if they were in the business of selling guns, the logical move for them would be to seek to put democrats in office, because empirical evidence shows unequivocally that that is a real boon for arms sellers. See Remington bankruptcy.

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[OK_Cat]

Hey 57 year old teacher that can’t check her email, here’s a glock. WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOUSE!


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[Spracne]

Also, it's not a given that allowing teachers who hold a concealed handgun license to pack heat on campus would even increase gun sales. If you look at the Venn diagram of (a) teachers, (b) willing to bring a gun into a classroom, and (c) licensed to carry such weapon, not only is the overlap exceedingly small, but one would assume that group already owns the arms they wish to carry.

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[Spracne]

Now, I think it's a stupid policy. But I also doubt it's calculated to sell guns. If so, it's a poor calculus, and someone needs some remedial lessons in policy from a strapped professor.

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[Kat Kid]

Allowing teachers to carry, subject to appropriate safeguards, probably wouldn't hurt and might even help. It's not going to solve the problem but that doesn't mean it couldn't be beneficial. The majority of teachers would refuse to carry, but that's hardly the point. Even a few armed staff in each school might save lives.

One cowardly security guard in one instance does not disprove that. There are armed people who fail to intervene in such horrible situations (even if it is there job), and there are also heroes like these who do just the opposite.

As for the NRA "conspiracy" to sell more guns by arming teachers, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I suspect the single biggest driver of gun sales are the liberals' periodic crusades for more gun control.

It is completely absurd.  Cops carry guns because they enforce our laws at gunpoint, even if the force is implied. 

Would you really want your children potentially subject to gunpoint in a class setting?

I love teachers as much as anyone, but if you haven't perused WorldStar and seen what some teacher/student interactions are like in school, then you probably should.  There are going to be more than a few of those interactions that end up deadly, certainly more often than someone with ill intent showing up with a gun AND being successfully thwarted (it could just be that the wrong person gets killed accidently even when there IS an active shooter).

There are a bunch of other reasons it is bad that are also this obvious, but I have already wasted too much time on explaining this absurdity.

[puniraptor]

What happens when a student tries to take a teacher's gun? Kill the unarmed student? Fail in a physical struggle and lose the gun? Another teacher has to come kill the now armed student?

[Rage Against the McKee]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-jonathan-martin-custody-following-alleged-threat-former-school-204356287.html

People with CTE really shouldn't own guns.

[Spracne]

Did y'all know there is a federal statute allowing us to prevent the "mentally defective" from acquiring guns?

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[puniraptor]

Did y'all know there is a federal statute allowing us to prevent the "mentally defective" from acquiring guns?

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Yes, but then what? It's complicated from all sides.

Also Kansas tried to amend their constitution to counter this law.

The thinking is that a federal judge could just declare someone mentally ill for the purpose of seizing their guns.

[puniraptor]

What if the feds declare all of Kansas mentally defective and forcibly disarm the whole state!?

[Spracne]

Did y'all know there is a federal statute allowing us to prevent the "mentally defective" from acquiring guns?

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Yes, but then what? It's complicated from all sides.

Also Kansas tried to amend their constitution to counter this law.

The thinking is that a federal judge could just declare someone mentally ill for the purpose of seizing their guns.

I'm not sure. I have a lot of questions about how this law is actually enforced/implemented. Obviously, not very successfully. I know that the Obama administration included those who cannot handle their personal finances into the "mentally defective" category (which seems mostly aimed at those with Alzheimer's or other dementia, in my experience), and the Trump administration undid that order. It's tough, but I think there should be a bipartisan committee tasked with promulgating regulations for implementing this statute. But admittedly, I haven't looked into the law. Would make a good topic for a note.

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[puniraptor]

It has to be decided by a court, which is of course hairy because it will strip a possibly law abiding citizen of a constitutional right.

The cops can't just seize a teen's guns on suspicion of mental defect.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Allowing teachers to carry, subject to appropriate safeguards, probably wouldn't hurt and might even help. It's not going to solve the problem but that doesn't mean it couldn't be beneficial. The majority of teachers would refuse to carry, but that's hardly the point. Even a few armed staff in each school might save lives.

One cowardly security guard in one instance does not disprove that. There are armed people who fail to intervene in such horrible situations (even if it is there job), and there are also heroes like these who do just the opposite.

As for the NRA "conspiracy" to sell more guns by arming teachers, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I suspect the single biggest driver of gun sales are the liberals' periodic crusades for more gun control.

It is completely absurd.  Cops carry guns because they enforce our laws at gunpoint, even if the force is implied. 

Would you really want your children potentially subject to gunpoint in a class setting?

I love teachers as much as anyone, but if you haven't perused WorldStar and seen what some teacher/student interactions are like in school, then you probably should.  There are going to be more than a few of those interactions that end up deadly, certainly more often than someone with ill intent showing up with a gun AND being successfully thwarted (it could just be that the wrong person gets killed accidently even when there IS an active shooter).

There are a bunch of other reasons it is bad that are also this obvious, but I have already wasted too much time on explaining this absurdity.

If a teacher is so mentally unstable as to be a threat with a gun to his or her students, there is nothing stopping that teacher from already being a threat now. Yes, I would feel safer for my children if I knew that staff were permitted to carry firearms subject to stringent security requirements. No, I'm not talking about allowing Millie the 60yo music teacher to bring a concealed handgun to class in her purse. You people are going absolutely berserk over a rather innocuous idea. I guess guns in the hands of law abiding, mentally stable people don't scare me.