Another school shooting

[steve dave]

I've generally been skeptical that tighter gun control laws would do much about these issues, and I still am, but sheesh we gotta try something.  Someone lay out some common sense gun legislation for me that they think would make a dent in these shootings.  Or if you don't want to that's fine I guess I'll do some research later.

Like I said I still think there are other, more significant factors, that are playing a role in this spike of shootings but this is a nuanced problem and it seems like it might be a good idea to try a holistic approach with common sense gun control being a part of that.

1) must have a license and register all guns. this includes a license and registration fee paid annually. this money can be used to combat the "mental illness problem" we have instead of the "gun problem"   
2) some sort of legal ramifications if the guns you own and have registered are used in a crime
3) some sort of legal ramifications if you own a non registered gun
4) outlaw semi automatic assault rifles. nobody can be obtuse enough to argue that their AR-15 is a defense against a tyrannical government.

5) do away with all of the gun show/pawn shop/personal sale backdoors to gun ownership. all gun sales/purchases are registered and require the license noted above. you need a license and pay for registration for a car, you need a license and registration to own a gun.

obviously none of that's going to stop gun violence in our country, but it'll slow it and they're self funding preventative measures.

[gatoveintisiet]

My boys play call of duty type games every waking hour they aren’t in school, this is what everyone should be doing.

[gatoveintisiet]

If you aren’t desensitizing young jellyheads to bump stock murder you aren’t doing it right

[_33]

Tubesock, shut up.

[mocat]

i legit thought you had to be 21 to buy a gun. my goodness

People go into the army at 18. Come on, Mocat.

there is a ton of stuff you can do in the military that you can't if you're a civilian

[cfbandyman]

Well I think this was discussed after Sandy Hook, but I and many others would support mental health professionals to flag folks as no-buys in the federal background check system, provided adequate safeguards are put in place to protect their due process rights. And that means not having to hire an attorney and spend thousands of dollars to clear their name.

I’d also like to know why in this day and age so many districts still have money for all sorts of extracurricular activities but just can’t scrape together the cash to secure school entrances. Seems like that should be a top priority.

This is the richest thing from the guy who essentially wants to strangle public schools in a bathtub. Gee, wonder why they are struggling to make ends meet. As if tons of extracurricular activities haven't already gotten a giant ax.

[mocat]

with all the money oklahoma is saving by only having school 4 days a week you think they could hire some retired pro wrestlers or whatever to just stand at the door

[ChiComCat]

Well I think this was discussed after Sandy Hook, but I and many others would support mental health professionals to flag folks as no-buys in the federal background check system, provided adequate safeguards are put in place to protect their due process rights. And that means not having to hire an attorney and spend thousands of dollars to clear their name.

I’d also like to know why in this day and age so many districts still have money for all sorts of extracurricular activities but just can’t scrape together the cash to secure school entrances. Seems like that should be a top priority.

This is the richest thing from the guy who essentially wants to strangle public schools in a bathtub. Gee, wonder why they are struggling to make ends meet. As if tons of extracurricular activities haven't already gotten a giant ax.

A frivolous wall seems like a bigger waste of money than extracurricular activities

[Joker]

Good thread by Tapper.  So many red flags on this maniac.


https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/964200355612512256

[SkinnyBenny]

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1823016659


They really get a lot of use out of this headline...

Yeah, they've been running that one for awhile now.

I'm almost positive they run it every time there's a mass shooting. So, like, at minimum six times a year.

[Phil Titola]

I mean why didn't the kids report him more....they are the real root cause here.

[wetwillie]

I mean why didn't the kids report him more....they are the real root cause here.

Certainly makes you wonder

[420seriouscat69]

One thing I knew as a kid, was that I never wanted to get on the psychos in middle school and high schools bad side. So like, if you did tell and they found out, you're pretty much mumped. Maybe that was their strategy. lol it off until graduation.

[8manpick]

Holy crap this thread:

https://twitter.com/respectablelaw/status/964187511017869316

[Dugout DickStone]

sounds like these 17 kids got on the wrong side of this guy.

[Phil Titola]

One thing I knew as a kid, was that I never wanted to get on the psychos in middle school and high schools bad side. So like, if you did tell and they found out, you're pretty much mumped. Maybe that was their strategy. lol it off until graduation.

Dear leader laid this at the feet of the kids....dunno

[star seed 7]

Good people on both sides

https://twitter.com/AP/status/964197379141455872

[8manpick]

Reporting him is all well and good, but is ultimately useless unless he was violating the law.  None of his posts that I've seen were specific threats to the point that would merit legal action.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Reporting him is all well and good, but is ultimately useless unless he was violating the law.  None of his posts that I've seen were specific threats to the point that would merit legal action.

They might have merited surveillance, though.

[Dugout DickStone]

I think being in a white nationalist militia who thinks they are paramilitary would be a good flag

[8manpick]

Reporting him is all well and good, but is ultimately useless unless he was violating the law.  None of his posts that I've seen were specific threats to the point that would merit legal action.

They might have merited surveillance, though.

True, but to what end? Someone assigned to him 24/7? Perpetual surveillance warrant? It probably would have worked here, but seems either ineffective or an inefficient use of resources on a larger scale. Not to mention a seemingly unconstitutional invasion of privacy.

[star seed 7]

Because of gE the ernie barnett statue is under 24/7 surveillance

[Rage Against the McKee]

Reporting him is all well and good, but is ultimately useless unless he was violating the law.  None of his posts that I've seen were specific threats to the point that would merit legal action.

They might have merited surveillance, though.

True, but to what end? Someone assigned to him 24/7? Perpetual surveillance warrant? It probably would have worked here, but seems either ineffective or an inefficient use of resources on a larger scale. Not to mention a seemingly unconstitutional invasion of privacy.

I think it would probably work similarly to the surveillance that was used to stop the terrorist attack in Garden City a couple of years ago.

[Gooch]

I think being in a white nationalist militia who thinks they are paramilitary would be a good flag

That's like 90% of NRA'rs

[sonofdaxjones]

I also enjoy the "private citizens aren't funding enough research" argument.

Who said anything about private citizens?

The point being, there are endowments and foundations all over the country that are pumping millions upon millions of dollars into the research coffers of research universities.   But if you want to believe that having one of those myriad of entities contribute money to research gun violence (knowing full well many fund all kinds of research on social issues all the time) is just a bridge too rough ridin' far, then knock yourself out. 

Hey, we've got a real problem with gun violence.   Welp, the political situation in Washington isn't conducive to get funding appropriated through federal government channels right now.   Well, okay then (insert multi-million dollar endowment/foundation/state agency name here) should just keep funding research on (insert inane extramural research funding project here).